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Is this the making of the best boks ever?

Started by Ihi22 REPLIES262 VIEWS· 03 Oct 2013, 12:32
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IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:32
#1
03 Oct 2013, 12:32#1
i still cant bring myself to watch the brisbane blowout and i dont think i ever will but i caught the last game again and i saw some good stuff by both sides. but in particiular how south africa use the ball now compared to last year. instead of just shifting the ball around the line there is a lot of variation between using big ball carrier and then using those big forwards as dummy runners to fix the defence. the long passing of du preez, morne and wow even jean mean they could get on the edge of the defence often in one very big pass and at least have three players to work with on that edge. it was really smart play to hault the drift and kirchner, willie and jj were pretty effective working together to create opportunities. i havent seen the boks play like that in the backs since jakes breakout year. but it wasnt perfect and still a few silly things breaking things down but its pretty massive change from last year. not to mention that you guys have two wings who can kick, a 9, 10 and 15 kicking game to boot. its pretty formidable and with plenty of gas. exciting times to be a bok fan probably stand a good chance to peak in time for the world cup with a group of players in their prime not hanging onto hasbeens like new zealand.


MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:43
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03 Oct 2013, 12:43#2
 Easy to look good against has been teams like OZ. Didn't look so good at Eden Park though did they when they came up against some real opposition? Nor in Argentina!!Are you related to Pedsman Ihi?
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:46
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03 Oct 2013, 12:46#3
 What men Moolaa? The men that had to grind past a 14 man Bok team?
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:50
#4
03 Oct 2013, 12:50#4
 moola when the boks were at xv men at eden park they totally dominated the all blacks physically far more easily than they did the wallabies. at least the wallabies put in some big hits, your fakes were red faced getting medical attention gasping for air after ten brutal minutes. catch a clue you boofhead. oh and argentina have the second best pack in the comoetition but what else to expect from new zealander no respect for anybody.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:55
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03 Oct 2013, 12:55#5
Ihi the writing is certainly on the wall for the wee abs.If we have any problems regarding player personnel it would be the departure of JP to Japan, and the coming to the end of the outstanding careers of Jean and Bryan Habana
In time Jan Serfontein will be as good as Jean one thinks and JJ and Allende are coming along well. Goosen will probably be better than Morne. Reinach is a really outstanding scrummie. We could get a fit again Frans Steyn - a world class player if fit. Willie can take on a wing spot and that leaves one wing position open.Volmink and Gerhard van der Heever are two possibilities.
The forwards are of no concern.
We have a smart coach and one who knows how to build a side. Hence my confident prediction that only bent refs can prevent this team from being number 1 in the years to come. With the huge focus on poor refereeing one would expect biased refs to get weeded out  Coaches players and the public have had more than enough of their nonsense.
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:02
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03 Oct 2013, 13:02#6
 i never got the obsession with jp he was always slow and lazy. but yeah agreed they look on track. i think meyer is the smartest coach you guys have ever had to be honest.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:02
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03 Oct 2013, 13:02#7
 Sorry Ihi and Logic, who won at Eden Park with the 4 try bonus? Was it the ABs by any chance? And didn't the ABs get another bonus point win against Argentina last week?Just asking! You guys live your whole lives on "ifs", "buts", "maybes" and "if onlys"!
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:05
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03 Oct 2013, 13:05#8
 sorry moolaa how many tries did new zealand score against 15 men? i live my life on matter of fact not with my dick in my mouth.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:16
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03 Oct 2013, 13:16#9
 My bad. Obviously tries scored when a filthy player is off the field don't count. I must read up on that Ihi. Meantime you just worry about your abysmal team in Argentina this weekend mate!
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:20
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03 Oct 2013, 13:20#10
 mate your fakes would struggle to live with the wallabies in a fair game. couldnt even win a world cup without outside influences! really sad when someone can feel good about it. and i will call your scummy players out for filthy play every time. the wallabies are the cleanest team in the sh but new zealand stand at over 100 penalties to a yellow card and we're at 8? thats just sick. probably why new zealand are bankrupt been passing around bribes for nearly 20 years.
AB
All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:23
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03 Oct 2013, 13:23#11
This wee All black pack have won 11 Rugby Championship games in a row.  I guess the old saying rings true Test matches are won up front. Ihi I notice you refer to the Pumas as having the second best pack in the comp, don't put your boys down I would put the Boks at 2.

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:27
#12
03 Oct 2013, 13:27#12
 Ihi, take some valium mate....you're making all sorts of wild allegations here that you can't hope to back up. Have a schooner and tuck yourself in for the night after wiping all that froth from your mouth.
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:27
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03 Oct 2013, 13:27#13
 new zealand have "won" 11? depends on how you mean "won" added top that that every nealand team at a world cup has had the easiest pools in the comp your little soap box bleat means piddles.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:32
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03 Oct 2013, 13:32#14
 Easiest pool in the comp?Now, let's see who was in our pool last RWC...oh, that's right, it was France, the OTHER FINALIST!Please now go down to your local supermarket and purchase as many eggs as you can, take them home and spread liberally on your face!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:36
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03 Oct 2013, 13:36#15
 Yep i have to agree given the unlevel playing fields the nz record means zip. No use saying you have won when its by cheating.Beeno applying common sense and coming to the correct conclusion.Now for everyones sake nz clean up your act.
Man we really do hope Owens gives a decent ref performance. The focus of the game is all on poor reffing these days with video evidence to prove it. Something has to change.
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:41
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03 Oct 2013, 13:41#16
 or you can go bobbing for eggs this halloween moolaa, your oppoents were ranked 5th, 12th, 13h, 14th. in the 2007 world cup they were ranked 9th, 10th, 16th, 22nd. In 2003 they were ranked 8th, 12th, 13th, 16th. you silly chook australia and south africa ALWAYS have harder groups than new zealand... ALWAYS
AB
All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:46
#17
03 Oct 2013, 13:46#17
 The draw is done on world rankings.  I guess when you are the number 1 ranked team you don't play a top team in pool play.  I guess you thought it was rigged by the IRB to favour us.
IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:48
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03 Oct 2013, 13:48#18
 backpeddling kiwi what makes it funny is that you cannot see it.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:56
#19
03 Oct 2013, 13:56#19
 "If it weren’t for the downfall of Australian rugby, however, I would be quite amused with the way Ewen McKenzie has landed himself in the current situation.

Just think back to the day he boldly announced he was quitting the Reds and putting himself up as a candidate for the Wallabies job.

Let’s not forget the posturing that Jim Carmichael, Quade Cooper and Will Genia were putting out in the media.

McKenzie was supposed to be the knight in shining armour, the messiah who would save Australian rugby from the “toxic” and lamentable Kiwi Robbie Deans.

Deans, the bloke who Greg Martin referred to as a double agent, who plotted the downfall of rugby in this country by not selecting a certain Queensland prodigal son."

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:59
#20
03 Oct 2013, 13:59#20
 saying deans is a good coach? mccaw didnt want anything to do with deans. he was a crap coach but now ewans in a situation he clearly wasnt ready for, rebuilding. its why everyone wanted jake because he has done twice before. but given time ewan will get there, many positives but those small margins are cpsting us.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 14:03
#21
03 Oct 2013, 14:03#21
 

Is Link really Australia’s knight in shining armour?

By mark leslie, Today  

The current crop of Wallabies have been labelled the worst squad in 30 years. By 11:30 am on Sunday morning, we will be able to judge for ourselves regardless of the result.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2013, 14:17
#22
03 Oct 2013, 14:17#22

There is a very good core of players in the Springbok team - but there are also iffy players that really should be replaced.   I would say a team comprising the following would be virtually unbeatable by any opposing team competing for the title next year:

 

15   SP Marais, 14  Willie le Roux,  13  JJ Engelbrecht, 12  Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana,  10  Johan Goosen,  9  Fourie Du Preez,  8  Arno Botha,  7  Lappies Labuschagne,  6  Francois Louw, 5  Pieter-Steph du Toit,  4  Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2  Bismarck du Plessis,  1  Tendai Mtawarire

 

Replacements :

 

16 Adriaan Strauss,  17 Coenie Oosthusien,  18 Trevor Nyakane, 19  Rynhardt Elstadt, 20  Duane Vermeulen, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Patrick Lambie,  23 Jan Serfontein 

 

The performance of the above in Super 15 will be crucial to determine real candidates - but the following players will have to watch out for competition from other players:

 

SP Marais :   Taute, Boshoff, Francois Steyn(?)

 

JJ Engelbrecht :  Stokkies Hanekom, Damien de Allende, Paul Jordaan (Jan Serfontein could replace him and one of the others on the bench) .

 

Duane Vermeulen :  Very average - but watch out for some top-performing newbies

 

Cobus Reinach :  Van Zyl, Pretorius.

 

I have included Elstadt as a lock replacement - he is ideal for that position and could also cover the loosie positions (7 and 8)

 

I put a question mark behind Francois Steyn - because he is rather slow for a full bak and will not add value to the team.

 

The backline would be dynamite - Marais is another brainy player in the Willie le Roux mould.  The loosies will be mobile enough and very effective in all aspects of loosie play (not as limited as the present combination is).  I deliberately left out Jannie du Plessi - he has gone backwards over the past year.

 

Of the above only four players in the starting line-up has not played for the Springboks as yet - on the bench there are only two newbies.   That would mean from 23 players there are six changes that is being recommended.

 

Also watch out for Zeilinga next year - he has produced some magical performances this year in CC at flyhalf.  

 

 

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
03 Oct 2013, 14:26
#23
03 Oct 2013, 14:26#23
Ihi is Australian for Beeno or is he Beeno pretending to be Australian?  
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