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It doesn't have to be Allende and Kriel

Started by Mozart5 REPLIES380 VIEWS· 02 Sept 2015, 14:02
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2015, 14:02
#1
02 Sept 2015, 14:02#1

The convention these days is to treat these chaps as if they were a pair....they have played 3 games together. Right now they are two individuals, their pairing amounts to little.

 

Of the two Kriel has been the worst on defence, making only 68% of his tackles. Allende has been marginally better making 74%, but then there was that catastrophic miss on Kuridrani. They both get "F"s for defence. But I believe that has a lot to do with structure, when to bring up the line. Both would benefit from Jean being in the mix.

 

 

On attack much is made of Allende's attacking contribution as he ploughs through defenders. He is hard to put away. But in four tests he neither scored a try, nor did he get an assist. The practical effect of all that tractoring was to all intents zero.

 

 

Kriel by contrast, not only scored two tries but got two assists. If Allende is zero in try scoring....Kriel has created 4 tries for the Boks. He is much more aware of his fellow players.

 

 

Simple solution. Bring back Jean to fix our abysmal 72% tackle success ratio and close down space. Use Allende on the wing where his individual play doesn't take away from team opportunities. Help Kriel with his defence and invest in him at 13 for the WC and beyond.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2015, 15:14
#2
02 Sept 2015, 15:14#2

What bullshit given Jean's stats in defence are no better and he adds absolutely zero with ball in hand.


The measure is not how many tries or assists de Allende makes its about how many defenders he beats on the day......the measure of a true centre......the fact that so many defenders are beaten means the tries and assists will stack up in time.....he has only played 4 tests after all.


His ability to beat defenders and impose himself physically means he is a real handful and a must in the midfield, leaving him out on the wing would be a complete waste of resource.


Kriel is the real gem with his speed and dancing feet......as a combo they add a sense of excitement, something we have not seen in ages......why take that away....in the name of bringing in some old injured fart......it defies logic.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2015, 16:18
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02 Sept 2015, 16:18#3
 Mozart is talking his normal crap - he specializes in that.  By breaking that many tackles and drawing in as many defenders as De Allende did do the Springboks gets ample quick go forward ball and not dead slow ball - like happened routinely with De Villiers.  He is too stupid to realize that.  I can remember at least three tries scored by De Villiers and Kriel where that was the decider from which tries were scored.  In De Allende's case it was not given as try assists - but the tries became inevitable because of his line breaks and defenders drawn in.  
Mozart cannot add up 2 plus 2 in this case - it gets him to 3.   In the case of bringing in De Villiers that same sum would indeed be 3  (ie 2 +1).  This is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen on this site in a long time and it was suggested by none bar Mozart.   De Allende has been a target of Mozart from word go - because he presented a threat in selection to De Villiers and Fat Fransie.   Both are no better in defense than De Allende - in fact Steyn is a worse defender and De Villiers more or less on par with De Allende.  
The sooner this kind of tripe stops the better.  However, Meyer is stupid and Mozart is on par - a crap manufacturer of note.        
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2015, 17:45
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02 Sept 2015, 17:45#4
The proof of the pudding will be in the tasting........clueless Meyer will select Jean at centre and Matfield at lock along with a few other has beens and we will be returning home after the quarters
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Sept 2015, 19:21
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02 Sept 2015, 19:21#5
 
Yes it is true that De Allende and Kriel need a lot more time together to be a world class center pair ... and perhaps we're so desperate that we've already decided that they are the next legendary Bok center pair.

Things is, just as much as Mozart has a point, he can't chalk them up to failure either without giving them a decent shot.

To be quite honest I much prefer Mapoe and Vorster to Kriel at 13.

Yes I know Kriel has impressed us all, however we should take into consideration that we've been looking for a decent test 13 for many moons now.

We have had to endure a lot of average to darn right poor fill-ins these last few years in Taute and JJ ... and if we're honest, Serfontein.

In comes Kriel, he dazzles us with a bit of magic and now he's the man ... a nd that after only two matches

Think I'll delay my overall judgement on him till after the world cup ... that is if he even gets a shot at playing 13 since Jean's back in the mix.

As for De Allende ... I think he's an awesome 12 and expect great things from this lad.


    
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2015, 19:54
#6
02 Sept 2015, 19:54#6
Yes Step, JJ and particulary Taute were disasters at 13....all well supported on this Board I might add. Nice thoughtful piece CC. You're right it's early days to declare victory or defeat.
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