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It's becoming increasingly hard to imagine....

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES367 VIEWS· 02 Mar 2014, 05:05
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 05:05
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02 Mar 2014, 05:05#1

...a Bok backline with Hougaard, Goosen, Serfontein and JJ as the front four. Fragile, robotic, lacking in power and porous is usually not good. Especially accompanied by missed penalties from dead in front. It's going to get worse....look for some of these players to lose their starting S15 roles.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 05:33
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02 Mar 2014, 05:33#2

Mozart


Lower down I wrote about Serfontein and Engelbrecht as a Bulls center pairing.   I frankly am not impressed with either.


Hougaard yesterday had a solid game - but his best part was his kicking game.  He stood further away from set pieces so as to give him more time to kick - but some kicks were really aimless and against teams like the Blues it would be a serious embarrassment.


I would not bet against all three the Bulls players mentioned losing the plot completely against the Blues this coming weekend.


As to Goosen - his main problem is his kicking at goal.   I can understand missing longer and more difficult kicks - but he misses sitters - and that is totally unacceptable.   He also seems to try and avoid contact - and Naas Botha said that seems to be o avoid further injuries.  However, if you imply he is the one that will lose his position in Super 15 - you are barking up the wrong tree,        

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 16:55
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02 Mar 2014, 16:55#3
Ah yeah would that be the JJ who's defensive stats were 8 tackles made, zero missed......compare that to Jean, who missed 2.......so the complete shit about JJ continues.......not to mention him beating one defender in a game that had little scope for enterprising back play given the weather.

Hougaard had a good game, for once stood out with the boot. Serfontein was solid as was Goosen

I read this shit about JJ and Serfontein, giving the impression that the likes of Jean and co were so much better, when in fact Jean did stuff all
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 17:08
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02 Mar 2014, 17:08#4
" Wepener charged down a Francois Hougaard clearance kick to fall on the ball for the five-pointer before Boshoff converted.".....from 365. That's a solid game with the boot?
Dave what you don't get is jean has nothing to prove. Come the tests his defence will be rock solid...these experienced, older guys put out when it makes a difference. 
JJ was invisible. Serfontein ordinary. Goosen an exposed nerve end.....and Hougaard a robot.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 17:20
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02 Mar 2014, 17:20#5
Ah yeah, so for the rest of Hougaard's game with the boot, we will just ignore......when in fact it was an assured game all round. He was the best SA 9 on display on the day. He had a good game.

Ah yeah so Jean turns it on in test matches does he? Then how do you account for his defensive stats being worse than JJ's against Oz and NZ last year....what utter rubbish......its one thing to point fingers at JJ when in fact Jean was worse yesterday and thats a fact.

JJ was as invisible as Jean was, at least JJ has pouring rain as an excuse - hardly conducive to running rugby.......Serfontein exactly the same.......Goosen was fine, he did nothing wrong in a poor Cheetahs display.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:38
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02 Mar 2014, 18:38#6

Mozart


De Villiers played the worst two games of his life during the past two weeks.   It is wonderful to say - "these experienced, older guys put out when it makes a difference."


The match on Saturday was crucial for the Stormers - and he was very poor.  It is alarming to see how really poor he was outside one of the best 12's playing in all sides this past weekend.  He never once followed De Allende in any breaks and ball carries the latter made and that shows really poor play.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:01
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02 Mar 2014, 22:01#7
Er Dave if it was JJ playing at 12 you would be whining about him being out of position. Jean is not a 13, he is a 12. So do me a favour be consistent. Come June Jean will be one of our best with a 12 on his back.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:07
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02 Mar 2014, 22:07#8

Mozart


Please no excuses - De Villiers was even worse the previous week - when he did play at 12.   If De Villiers does not bug up - he will not be  "one of our best with a 12 on his back" in June . 



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:09
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02 Mar 2014, 22:09#9
 No actually Jean made the only break of that game, stop lying through your stained teeth.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:10
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02 Mar 2014, 22:10#10
He is not a 13 but he still missed 50% of his tackles........but I am realistic, I am not going to be saying that Jean is shit.............players miss tackles, players play games where they get little ball or where weather conditions dictate that running attacking rugby is not going to be the order of the day.

But more than anything, I appreciate the fact that centres struggle to make an impact in the modern game, because space is at a premium and much of their time is spent in traffic when taking contact and setting up the next phase is the order of the day. 

The best centres are those that are able to exploit the little scraps of space they do get or who are able to operate productively in contact.......hence why SBW was so good by the time he left.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:18
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02 Mar 2014, 22:18#11
But when a centre last did anything noteworthy against the Bargies in RSA, the Invisible Man tag is justified. All good centres find a way to make real contributions.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:21
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02 Mar 2014, 22:21#12
Oh so he did nothing against Oz and had an invisible test against NZ now did he......well Moz sorry with all due respect, you are speaking utter shit.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:27
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02 Mar 2014, 22:27#13
But when a centre last did anything noteworthy against the Bargies in RSA, the Invisible Man tag is justified. All good centres find a way to make real contributions. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 22:47
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02 Mar 2014, 22:47#14

 Mozart



de Villiers 0/0 0 0/4/4 16 0 0 0 2 1/1 0/0 1 0/0



I could not find any line breaks De Villiers made looking at the above stats.   I can remember one ball carry he had - but it came to nothing.   The rest of the stats looked terrible - not what you would expect from a Springbok center.   


What really stood out from the above stats is a ridiculously poor performance - so don't try and do a Saffex on us and start inventing things that did not happen.  De Villiers got the ball and carry it for about 12 meters - no tackle broke - no line break.  


Come now I expect better form you.



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 23:29
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02 Mar 2014, 23:29#15
 Oh so he did nothing against Oz and had an invisible test against NZ now did he......well Moz sorry with all due respect, you are speaking utter shit.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Mar 2014, 00:22
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03 Mar 2014, 00:22#16
No he wasn't invisible against NZ...he was very visible missing Barrett. By the way he was awful against the Lions....fumbling, running upright into the tackles and failing to use overlaps. Toothless.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 07:29
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03 Mar 2014, 07:29#17

Mozart


No comments on the De Villiers performance against he Lions and the useless personal attack on me to "stop lying through your stained teeth."


You apparently were lying about De Villiers's clean break - confusing it with a ball carry of about 12 meters or so.   He did not break the line - he carried the ball and beat no defenders in the process.


Now who was lying through his stained teeth this time around?  Still ignoring that De Villiers h ad two if his worst games I have ever seen him play?  

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2014, 09:38
#18
03 Mar 2014, 09:38#18
 Oh please De Villiers was fine!!!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 10:30
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03 Mar 2014, 10:30#19

 Beeno


And so was my late grandmother just before her demise.  Stop talking tripe - he was poor.

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