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It took Jake 68 minutes to fix his problem

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES352 VIEWS· 19 Jul 2014, 23:25
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2014, 23:25
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19 Jul 2014, 23:25#1

Cobus Reinach. A bumbling inept display, replete with poor decisions, awkward passes and wayward kicks kept knocking the Sharks backwards. They were so much more fluid when McLeod arrived.



For the rest Bismarck, Coetzee, Alberts, both props were all terrific. The Sharks centres struggled, and the whole defensive alignment was way out of place...not helped by poor Sharks kicking...mostly by Reinach. Fran's was a lucky packet, and Chavanga apart the wings were outplayed.


Those wanting Reinach and Mvovo in the Bok team, should think again.


For the Highlanders all their backs were impressive. But let's hope NZkeep playing Conrad Smith ahead of Fekitoa. This man is now, by far, the most dangerous 13 extant.


To be honest one could not have quibbled if the Highlanders won....they were electric, ball in hand.


But mark today's date. In young du Toit we have at last found a potential world class power prop. Those howling for Coenie or Kitshoff should ponder the difference. Who said I can't be excited by a young player!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jul 2014, 23:45
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19 Jul 2014, 23:45#2
 Dr Moz, I noted Reinach may not quite be ready for test rugby but he is not that far off. Kitshoff is a class act and will only get better. Du Toit will be world class.Nothing too wrong with Mvovo.
The Sharks squandered countless chances and apart from a twenty minute spell the highlanders were not in the game and could have well lost by 20 plus points. Their tight five were hammered.
Mcleod is underated. A mature player who is sound and has a good all round game. Reinach has enormous potential.
By the way that post below by Sharky 54 is our old friend Sharkie. He says he will be posting a bit here. Check it out.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jul 2014, 00:05
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20 Jul 2014, 00:05#3
 Reinach should pick up the tab for Burleigh's try. His poor decision making started it. When he had the chance to kick them out of the shit on their own 22m, he decided to try and run/break through. He got pinned and dragging in a lot of Sharks. He then got the ball and instead of deciding to pass the ball to someone else, who was under less pressure, to kick to kick the ball out, he decided to kick it himself and made a balls-up of it. The Highlanders got the ball in open play. The Sharks were a number of defenders short because of them having to commit a lot of players to cover up Reinach's balls-up when he decided to run instead of deciding to kick for touch.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jul 2014, 00:09
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20 Jul 2014, 00:09#4
 To add something to the above........ There might be need to get on Frans Steyn's back as usual but think about this. The half-backs were changed at the same time. What would have happened if Lambie started next to Reinach? McLeod might not be the most favourite scrummie in town but his decision making is better than that of Reinach.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 00:35
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20 Jul 2014, 00:35#5
Frans made some fabulous kicks, some fine tackles, and was strong in traffic. He over cooked one kick and missed Fekitoa, but that was a hard tackle to make. He is clearly part of the leadership of this team. Lambie wasn't on for long and did nothing wrong, but nothing right.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Jul 2014, 01:02
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20 Jul 2014, 01:02#6
 McLeod took a lot of the decision making pressures off Lambie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 02:04
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20 Jul 2014, 02:04#7
 Mozart
It took him the whole match to figure out the real problem.      Francois Steyn  A bumbling inept display, replete with poor decisions, awkward passes and wayward kicks kept knocking the Sharks backwards.
Lets have a look at his stats:-
Steyn0/0169/7/62601114/50/000/0
The bumbling fool made most of the kicks you lame Reinach for.   He did mange to make 4 tackles and missed 5.   Paul Jordaan had to cover for both hsis own tackles and those who get past Steyn like clockwork.   The fabou;lous kicks were overrshadowed by the aimless kicks aimed straight at the Highlanders recipients and then they had to defend like hell to kleep them from scoring.   Steyn should have seen that his putrid pla did not work - and stop kciking balls down the throats of recipients.
Despite all Steyn's efforts to make sure the Sharks loose the game - they still won - no thanks to him and the other flop Albberts.     
With respect I habe never seen so much bullshit written in one paragraph as I saw here:-
"Frans made some fabulous kicks, some fine tackles, and was strong in traffic. He over cooked one kick and missed Fekitoa, but that was a hard tackle to make. He is clearly part of the leadership of this team. Lambie wasn't on for long and did nothing wrong, but nothing right.
He missed more fine tacxkles than he made - Beat one defender and for the rest he buggered up kicks like it is unbelievable.  Missed kicks at goal as well.  
The good news is Lambuie is back and the Sharks will not have to put up with Steyn at flyhalf in future.    A  bloody farce Streyn made of the Highlanders game   During the full match he did 90% wrong and the only positive is he missed only two of the licks he kicked at goal.  For the rest he was the worst handicap any team could be saddled with.

  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 02:11
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20 Jul 2014, 02:11#8
Mozart
 Now onto dear Willem Alberts 
Alberts0/000/5/91302023/10/010/0

I do not think it is possible to do things worst than Alberts did.  Just analyZe the last four columns above and you may yet wake up.  Knocked on balls twice - made 3 tackles and missed one - no role in line outs and gabe away a converted penalty as well.
Ang you praise that absolute lack of effort throughout the game as acceptable!!!
.Those wanting Steyn and Alberts in the Bok team, should think again. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 02:16
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20 Jul 2014, 02:16#9
Yep it's funny...you keep quoting stats and the Sharks just keep winning with Frans at 10 . He has a huge impact on the game. He may be at 12 next weekend, but mostly because wee Jordaan is a bit of a target for the crash  and offload.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 02:28
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20 Jul 2014, 02:28#10
 Mozart
Get it through your thick skull - the Sharks won despite the presence of Steyn - not because of it.    Wherever he is in the backline - the backline will be buggered.  Jordaan had to cover not only for his own tackles - but also missed by the piss poor defence oof Steyn.  The one tackle Steyn made was off-loaded and the Highlanders scored a try.   You must have mixed up the two players.   Jordaan at 12 is ten times the 12 Fransier ever was and ever could be.   Jordaan made all his tackles as well as those missed by Steyn - but that was so throughout the season - having to cover for Steyn's missed tackles is nearly a full time job as well.   
Are the stats false or are they a reflection as to what really happened?  They favour Steyn quite a lot.  They did not really show the extent of the damage   he did to the  Sharks efforts.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 02:47
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20 Jul 2014, 02:47#11
Well Oom I'm willing to leave it to an impartial test....Jake. If I'm right Jake will start Frans at 10, or failing that start him at 12, with Jordaan on the bench.

If you are right Frans wont feature at all with Lambie at 10, Jordaan at 12 and Swiel on the bench.
Let's leave it to the professional and for heaven sake, stop the childish insults.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:07
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20 Jul 2014, 03:07#12
 Jake has made a huge mistake with Frans this year - if he wants to lose on Saturday he should leave Fransie in SA to prepare for his Japanese excursion.   I am not saying the useless bugger will not feature - White has a misplaced trust in this guy - which I relaly cannot understand.  
Whether he plays on Saturday or not - even you must admit he failed badly yesterday.  If you did not realize it - then i do not understand it.   However, I do not think Jordaan will be left on the bench - he is too valuable and Pietersen again proved he is no 13 - his defense was poor again. 
The best thing that can happen to the Sharks team backline is to make sure Steyn is NOT involved.   
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:17
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20 Jul 2014, 03:17#13
 Chavanga, not as electric as in days gone by but still with some speed is a better player than the chookhead, Mvovo. Mvovo is not Bok material.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:31
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20 Jul 2014, 03:31#14
So Oom you are saying you have better judgement than  a RWC winning coach...hahaha. You see I give Frans  credit for his missed tackle on Fekitoa... It was pure cover defending going flat out to get across, Fekitoa beat him with a change of pace....but Frans  always tries. You won't see him bottling it. He is a full blooded player that makes mistakes, but gives you 100 per cent.
Of course you are chickening out....Fran's will go on the team sheet right after Bismarck.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:42
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20 Jul 2014, 03:42#15
 No chickening out on my part - there is one thing I do not understand about the relationship between White and Steyn.   He is not a flyhalf and definitely have by far tthe worst attacking and defending skills of all players in either the 10 or 12 positions.
If Fransie was only beatebn by one player it could be undestood - but 5 players beat him in tackles and the one tackle he was credited with was so poor - the bloke off-loaded the ball in the tackle and the Highlanders scored.  
He may be giving his 100% - but that dioes not meean his 100% is a successful effort.  Tody it was nothing of the kind.  
Why do you ignore th game completely - don;t tell me every kick Steyn made down the middle of the field - which the Highlanders used to counter0attack with - should remain and repeated time and time again without variation.   Even a donkey will not keep on repeating the same thing that did not work.   
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:42
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20 Jul 2014, 03:42#16
 No chickening out on my part - there is one thing I do not understand about the relationship between White and Steyn.   He is not a flyhalf and definitely have by far tthe worst attacking and defending skills of all players in either the 10 or 12 positions.
If Fransie was only beatebn by one player it could be undestood - but 5 players beat him in tackles and the one tackle he was credited with was so poor - the bloke off-loaded the ball in the tackle and the Highlanders scored.  
He may be giving his 100% - but that dioes not meean his 100% is a successful effort.  Tody it was nothing of the kind.  
Why do you ignore th game completely - don;t tell me every kick Steyn made down the middle of the field - which the Highlanders used to counter0attack with - should remain and repeated time and time again without variation.   Even a donkey will not keep on repeating the same thing that did not work.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 03:53
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20 Jul 2014, 03:53#17
You are entitled to your opinion, it is of no consequence in any case. I think this assessment by Cardinelli makes the point:

Steyn contributed with some pressure kicks from hand, but was often let down by the man on his inside. Scrumhalf Cobus Reinach took some poor decisions, and was even reprimanded by his captain, Du Plessis, on more than one occasion for running when he should have kicked.

Reinach also got it wrong early in the second half when the Sharks were camped deep in Highlanders' territory. The Sharks No 9 passed the ball to a well-marked Lwazi Mvovo, who lost possession when he was hit by an advancing defender. To be fair to Mvovo, the pass was never on.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 10:11
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20 Jul 2014, 10:11#18
 Steyn got it wrong within 5 minutes from the start of the game - it did not take him to wait for the second half.  There was NO pressure kicks by Steyn - there were more than enough kicks he made that ended up in counter-attacks by the Highlnders - or the Highlanders gaining territory as a result of the Steyn BS kicks.    There were no so-called pressure kicks made by Steyn . 
Because Steyn buggered up badly in two departments of the game - out-of hand-kicking and defense - the team suffered worse from that than the one occasion where Reinach should have kicked before a potential charge down stopped him from kicking.     
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 10:21
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20 Jul 2014, 10:21#19
 Mozart
I checked the Foxsport Stats as well - it confirmed my opinion about  Steyn's contribution to the game.  He got 12 points for the game.  His goalkicking earned him 14 points in total - minus the two misses - which brings it down to 12 points.  For the est he got ZERO points in general play.  That tells the whole story about Fransie's value to the Sharks - other than goal kicking - he was worth ZERO to the Sharks.   And if Laamvie was ont eh field of play - he would have converted all the easy sitter kicks Steyn mmade and also the two more difficult kciks Steyn missed 
THE SHARKS WON - DESPITE THE BS PERFORMANCE BY STEYN.  
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