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Jaco Paypar you racist small man with a whistle

Started by hakwa34 REPLIES2,042 VIEWS· 18 Sept 2015, 21:33
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 21:33
#1
18 Sept 2015, 21:33#1
Warns the Fijian half back to penalise him for shouting about the English offside than awarding a penalty try then yellow carding the half back>>>>What for???????? Collapsing the maul once is NOT a yellow card offense. Paypar was being a vindictive little idiot and his SA TMO . Trust idiots to spoilt the first game of the tournement.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Sept 2015, 21:52
#2
18 Sept 2015, 21:52#2
 
Oh and this is the racist TMO:
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 21:54
#3
18 Sept 2015, 21:54#3
 Please do not let this idiot anywhere near the finals. Giving a penalty against the Fijian half back on the 40minute mark for what????????? Diving on the English player???? He was on his feet with rights to the ball with the English player trying to do a slow squeeze ball through his leg for late arriving English players. Idiot, idiot, idiot.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Sept 2015, 22:06
#4
18 Sept 2015, 22:06#4
 
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
18 Sept 2015, 22:31
#5
18 Sept 2015, 22:31#5
Some rough calls from the TMO, but Jaco is having a good game, he's a very good ref, manages a game really well  
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 22:58
#6
18 Sept 2015, 22:58#6
 after giving the English a handy lead
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Sept 2015, 22:59
#7
18 Sept 2015, 22:59#7
Only saw the last few minutes of the game but the English commentators are raving about England's performance. It's not like Fiji are no. 2 in the world. Talking about sighs of relief, etc. Fiji must have been competitive?
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:01
#8
18 Sept 2015, 23:01#8
 Keep Jaco and Wayne Barnes away from the finals.

"Jonathan Kaplan @RefJK

England run away in the end But remember it was in the balance at one stage . Felt for Fiji . Eng not convincing but an important win !"


I wonder who tipped the balance in Englands favour tsk tsk tsk.


What? Ceradyne


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becsPro4,378 posts
19 Sept 2015, 00:28
#9
19 Sept 2015, 00:28#9
What ridiculous comments.
The Reffing was awful and that same " racist " seemed quite content to allow Fiji to put the ball so far squint into the Scrum that it was at the 8's feet all night. But hey, I suppose that didn't happen, did it ? ! 
My goodness me, such bile. Completely unnecessary.  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 00:43
#10
19 Sept 2015, 00:43#10
 @becs. Let's be honest. That score-line flatters the England team. They were really not that good for the largest part of the game. It was only after the Vunipolas et al came on that they really got the upper hand. Well done for getting the job done nonetheless.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Sept 2015, 00:44
#11
19 Sept 2015, 00:44#11
PEYPER GETS SPECIAL WHISTLE

Before the match, in the depths of Twickenham, Peyper will call the two captains, Chris Robshaw of England and Akapusi Qera of Fiji, for the toss of the coin to decide how the match will start.

The start will be when Peyper blows his whistle.

The coin for the toss and the whistle to start are treasures in the famous rugby museum at Palmerston North on New Zealand's North Island.

The coin was first used at the toss of the 1925 match between England and New Zealand at Twickenham when the All Blacks won 17-11.

The captains, Wavell Wakefield of England (later Lord Wakefield of Kendall) and Jock Richardson of New Zealand and the referee, Albert Freethy of Wales, came out onto the field together to do the toss but the referee did not have a coin.

Seated nearby and seeing the predicament was a New Zealander, DG Gray of Dunedin. Immediately Gray came for ward and proffered a florin. The toss was done and the coin returned to Gray.

Gray was so excited by this that he had the coin embossed with a rose on one side and a fern on the other. In 1973 Hector Gray presented the coin to the rugby museum. In 1987 it was brought forth when Bob Fordham of Australia refereed the first match of the first World Cup.

It is not just the coin that the museum will send to Twickenham. There is also the famous Evens-Freethy whistle, an instrument part glorious and part ignominious.

The whistle originally belonged to Gill Evans, a Welshman who was refereed under an English banner and so refereed many matches in Wales involving the 1905 All Blacks, the 1906 Springboks, the 1908 Australians, and the 1912 Springboks. He refereed two Tests in his career - England vs New Zealand in 1905 at Crystal Palace and Wales vs Australia at Cardiff Arms Park. His nationality was clearly unclear.

His career over Evans gave his big whistle to Albert Freethy, a schoolmaster and a Welsh referee. Freethy used the whistle at the last time rugby football was played at the Olympic Games - in 1924 when the USA beat France, which means that the USA are still the Olympic rugby champions. When New Zealand played England at Twickenham in 1925 Freethy was appointed to the match and again he used the whistle.

There was early fighting between the two packs of forwards and then, eight minutes into the game, Freethy sent off Cyril Brownlie of New Zealand for foul play, kicking an opponent it was said. It was the first time that a player had been sent off in a rugby Test. (The next player sent off in a Test was Colin Meads on New Zealand in 1967. It has become more common subsequently.) In all he refereed 16 Tests.

After the Twickenham Test, Freethy gave the whistle to the manager of the All Blacks, Stan Dean who gave it to the museum in 1969 when the museum came into being.

Bob Fordham used the coin and the whistle in 1987, Jim Fleming in 1991, Derek Bevan in 1995, Paddy O'Brien in 1999, Paul Honiss in 2003, Tony Spreadbury in 2007 and George Clancy in 2011. Now it is Jaco Peyper's turn.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Sept 2015, 00:45
#12
19 Sept 2015, 00:45#12
Some history of the whistle to lighten the mood
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 01:16
#13
19 Sept 2015, 01:16#13
 Unfortunately, a great occasion was tainted by the overbearing influence of the television match officials. Stupid.
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Sept 2015, 01:37
#14
19 Sept 2015, 01:37#14
Hakwat, hang your head ...... its not Peyper's fault when Tom, Dick & Harry upstairs want to add their tuppence worth to the occasion .  
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 02:29
#15
19 Sept 2015, 02:29#15
 Point taken Blobby. Mind you, that Fijian Number 8 lifting that English body above the horizontal is a Yellow Card Offense. He should have been sent off for 10minutes.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2015, 04:23
#16
19 Sept 2015, 04:23#16
 The last Pom try which secured the bonus point, was preceded by a clear Brown loss of the ball onto the deck, with the ball going forward. Other than that and the yellow, I thought Peyper had a decent blow.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2015, 04:37
#17
19 Sept 2015, 04:37#17
The Poms need to start with Farrell and some of the other subs. How bad was Bred Berritt!  
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
19 Sept 2015, 06:37
#18
19 Sept 2015, 06:37#18
 I thought that some of the calls including the first yellow was pushing it a bit. Over called by the Ref and the TMO.....
At this stage if the refs are going to blow a game and award yellow cards for minor incidents  the WC will become the 2015 World Touch Rugby Cup.
The game is a physical sport but is being undermined by to many yellow cards for minor transgressions thus reducing a teams chances of a fair contest.
Someone suggested that a yellow carded player should be substituted by another player for the ten minutes thus allowing for a fair game.
Thought that was a great idea.
Also was not over impressed with the England side.
Comments.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:15
#19
19 Sept 2015, 07:15#19
 AJ
I am not going to comment on the referee other than to say that it is a hard job reffing in front of the Twickenham crowd.
However, there are a few elements in the English game that looked positive from their perspective.  The one is the driving maul - where they were repeatedly effective.  It would be a worrisome factor and people would say it was only Fiji - why should we worry?  But then - they did the same last year against SA in the EOYT - so it will be effective against stronger scrumming as well.
There backline does not seem to be fearsome - with the exception of Brown when coming from the back.   There ball protection and recovery was very effective.   
I think that some people miss out on the issue of the bench usage.   England has a very effective bench - Fiji not so.  
There is a real possibility of SA meeting England in the play-offs - so what would it look like taking into account the English performance yesterday.   I think that SA will not beat England because we will have problems in various areas of the game - like breakdown ball recovery.  England yesterday played a wider game than they normally do and that will neutralize our loosies.
    
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:28
#20
19 Sept 2015, 07:28#20
I still think the TMO should only be used to decide on tries, or when the referee specifically asks for another look at something. I am against the TMO calling for a stop in play to review an incident (like when the Fijian #4 shouldered into the ruck), or the referee going back to an incident shown on the big screen if he missed it at first. 
Rugby is already riddled with annoying natural stoppages like collapsing scrums and injuries needing attention. We really don't need more reasons to stop play. The first half of that game apparently took 51 minutes to complete. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:49
#21
19 Sept 2015, 07:49#21
 
So the Fijians lost ... a team I was cheering for ... and all because the ref was a racist???

Really??

I think that you should rather take that giant sized chip off your shoulder, poef!!

Stop standing there with outstretched cupped hands waiting for hand-outs.





 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 08:55
#22
19 Sept 2015, 08:55#22
 Either that CC or they were over-awed by the occassion. I think both. They kind of settled when the English had a handy lead. One wonders what might happen should the game hang in the balance - I dont have to wonder at all. I know he will give it Englands way.

2 Cases in point - Jaco awards a try and then without any call from him or the Touch Judges or the TMO, the "Independent" TV Replay person gets to work and then Jaco reverses his decision. Nadolo scores a try, this Jaco asks for a replay when the try was clearly scored and endless replays later.......

The best idea is for the Annonymous TV replay person to ref the game via remote control and Jaco be given an electric shock via remote control through his body every time his whistle needs to be blown.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 09:57
#23
19 Sept 2015, 09:57#23
 
Your flyhalf dropped the ball with his first touch ... knocking it on.

Was that the racist refs fault too?

Grow up please!!
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
19 Sept 2015, 10:57
#24
19 Sept 2015, 10:57#24

 Becs, well done to your team.


I also thought that the forwards did the job for The Roses.


I thought Jaco had a good game with the whistle.


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:30
#25
19 Sept 2015, 13:30#25
Imagine this scenario:
It was NZ and Fiji playing and not England and Fiji. Fiji "scores the same try". Jaco Peyper awards the try and the game goes on despite the TV showing that it was not a try. Fiji eventually wins the game.
Now imagine Hakwa's reaction.........
I also do not agree with the way that it was handled. Peyper should have consulted the TMO before awarding the try. He should not have turned the decision around. Two mistakes. The first one can be forgiven, IMO. By all accounts and at first glance (and with the naked eye, one must add) that was always a legitimate try. 
Having said that, the outcome of  the whole "fiasco" was the correct one.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:54
#26
19 Sept 2015, 13:54#26
 Agreed Cera, but I still can't believe supposedly professional referees with loads of experience makes these kind of errors. I was never a Peyper fan. I just don't like his attitude in general and the fact that he gets things wrong so often. But there is no need to call him bias, racist or a crook. Bryce Lawrance is a different story now...
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:20
#27
19 Sept 2015, 14:20#27
Have you seen the crap mistakes that supposedly professional rugby players with loads of experience make in every single game? Errors that also influence the outcomes of games.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:27
#28
19 Sept 2015, 14:27#28
 Ja, I know.
BTW, I see the Russians are also kicking island but! GO GEORGIE!
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:46
#29
19 Sept 2015, 14:46#29
 Hakwa already busy scrutinising the ref and the panel? 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:47
#30
19 Sept 2015, 14:47#30
 Hakwa.... Refwa.....? 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 15:11
#31
19 Sept 2015, 15:11#31
 
Awesome win for Georgia ...

Never saw that coming.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2015, 16:45
#32
19 Sept 2015, 16:45#32
 Excellent game by Jaco. I think Hacked waaaagh , brycy, poor poooo ie and jw were expecting a Fiji/ Samoa final. As it happens the Tongons got whipped by lowly Georgia and with it looks like the PI oaks will be proping up the logs! How I warned these blowhards to tone down in.the chest beating!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 17:20
#33
19 Sept 2015, 17:20#33
  a Television Match Official with the need to justify his existence.

That’s the problem with technology – the supposed panacea for all football’s woes – once you give someone the access to a television screen and the power to intervene just watch wait for the God complex to develop.


Shaun Veldsman (idiot)  for it was he, was the man with his thumb on the button and boy did he abuse it.

All flow and momentum was sucked from the first half with four referrals going upstairs, only one with any justification. Then came the dithering and the eternal replays.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 17:30
#34
19 Sept 2015, 17:30#34

The other invidious effect of the TMO is that it robs the official on the ground in all confidence of making decisions on their own volition. Moments after Matawalu’s try was disallowed, Ben Volavola kicked across field to Nemani Nadolo who rose high above Anthony Watson to claim and ground the ball. The assistant referee was stood no more than centimetres away from the incident but no his eyesight could not be trusted and upstairs it went. Needlessly. Pointlessly. Infuriatingly.

In the second half, Tom Wood was picked up for grabbing Leone Nakarawa around the neck. If the referee had seen it, he would have awarded a penalty. He didn’t but it is hardly the type of incident that needs bringing to his attention.

Then came Billy Vunipola’s try. TMO assistance in this case was perfectly justified if Peyper did not have a clear view. And yet a few phases earlier, Jonny May had knocked on so should it have been disallowed? How far back do you go to ensure nothing is missed?



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2015, 17:48
#35
19 Sept 2015, 17:48#35
 Hacked waaugh  the hapless fijians were just not up to it especially when the Poms moved up a gear.J aco was excellent and they got the important decision right like the fijian knock on at the try line.  Bwahahahahhahahaha
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