20 Jun 2017, 12:23#1
Given his bias against all things NZ
20 Jun 2017, 12:29#2
So right now it's only Peyper on the list, right?
I'm sure the list will grow and grow as time goes by.
AJArthur John
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AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
20 Jun 2017, 18:19#3
hakwa it is not Peyper's fault that most NZ rugby players do not understand the laws of the game.
Much like ex NZ refs Lawrence and o'Brian who also did not understand the laws.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jun 2017, 18:34#4
Good to see a few of the SA posters have enough enthusiasm for some chest beating and can throw a few comments at us kiwis What impact will another Bok win have? I expect that the drum of puny chest beating could even drown out a mouse squeak.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jun 2017, 19:31#5
Don't worry JW, we all know beating the Frogs won't make us world beaters. Our rugby is in shambles...beating the French only shows that we ain't as bad as we thought...most here expected a beating. NZ will probably still slaughter us.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jun 2017, 19:40#6
Your're a good sport DB I for one want the Boks at no. 2 as we all remember the days when you all were our main foe. These days are not half as much fun.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2017, 21:27#7
Hey JW SA refs always favour NZ. I cant understand it given what nz refs do to SA sides but you need not fear Jaco on Saturday.
Lets all be pals
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jun 2017, 22:24#8
Ha ha Beeno, seems to me that it has been kiwi refs helping out the poor cellar dwelling boks get their last few "wins"
ABABasquefan
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21 Jun 2017, 00:21#9
well,... Jaco Peyper is going to ref the first test against the B&I Lions
but I prefer him than any NH ref,.... at least he allows the game flow,...
I don't think he was that bad,.... TKB's yellow was deserved, shoulder charge to the face,... and he was even lucky to not receive a red (peyper was correct IMO considering that the player was falling in a tackle and hence there was no intention),... yeah, the penalty account was 15 MAB -4 lions,.... but it's also true that many of the MAB penalties were at scrums where the Lions were quite superior and deserved the penalties
and yeah, the Lions were way offside,.... they were always offside and by at least 2 meters,... same happened against the saders,.... but i think that teams have to adapt to what each ref allows re the offside,.... place deeper or use kicks,.... and both the MAB and the saders backline (very young and inexperienced) failed to adapt,.... it's true that it has to be very difficult to adapt when the offside is so blatant,....
and surely the AB coaching staff will talk about it with Peyper before the game (instead of crying and whining it to the press like Gatland is doing)
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2017, 14:12#10
JW I only wish our guys stood tall like Gatland and called out the kbbs refs for the abominable reffing! Beats me why we haven' t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 Jun 2017, 15:19#11
Because u don't know the rules Beanhead? and Sir Ritchie is not around to teach u the rules anymore?
AJArthur John
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AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
21 Jun 2017, 18:32#12
hakwa.....remember what goes around comes around.
Obviously, u don't appreciate it when you guys don't get your own way.
SHAME.
22 Jun 2017, 13:01#13
Arthur, Jaco is a reactive kind of ref who tends to react to crowd pressure. He is the kind of ref who wants the crowd to like him. He wants to please the crowd and any Team who is playing the All Blacks or any NZ Team. He is someone who is biased before the Test even starts and someone like that should not be given a whistle.
Compare him to Joubert the Legend. Jaco does not even come close. Joubert may get some calls wrong but he makes the hard calls instead of endless referral to the TMO and then defer blame to the TMO for the whole world to hear and see. No class. He should back his TMO and not leave his TMO high and dry.
Take for instance Barrett's try against the Irish last year, that was the classic case of Jaco doing a waco on the TMO. His body language was terrible-->because if he had disallowed the try then it would have been a reckless high tackle by the Irish Number 10 leading to a penalty try under the posts leading to a yellow card.
The All Blacks need to put the score beyond doubt and NOT Leave it to Jaco to score points for the Lions.
AJArthur John
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AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
22 Jun 2017, 14:55#14
I for one would rather have a ref refer to the TMO than making an incorrect call.
Sure they do sometimes screw up as we all do.
But the pressure must be enormous when reffing a Test especially an AB's versus the Lions test in Auckland.
Trust that all goes well and we have a fair and enjoyable great test.
Enjoy.
23 Jun 2017, 16:31#15
Another thing Arthur concerning the scrums,
"Northern hemisphere refs, illustrated by Frenchmen Pacal Gauzere, Mathieu Raynal and Garces, insist on the gap. In Super Rugby, teams get away with what's called a "pre-engage" which basically means no gap at all. Raynal was particularly keen on keeping the gap, when the Crusaders met the Lions, and things degenerated from there.
The further apart the teams engage from, the greater chance things will go askew and invite the ref to blow his whistle.
By contrast, Australia's Angus Gardner let the Highlanders scrummage the way they're used to, which then had the Lions crying foul.
What are the Lions up to?
Complicating matters in the Crusaders game was the strength of the home team's loosehead props Joe Moody, then Wyatt Crockett. The pair also share the loosehead role in the All Blacks.
Moody put a lot of pressure on Lions tighthead Tadhg Furlong and the response was for he and his team-mates to all take a step left in an effort to "whip wheel" the scrum.
So what?
Referees are believed to favour the "dominant" scrum. Human nature means they'll sometimes decide before the game's even kicked off.
Plenty of players and coaches point the finger at Peyper, in that regard. He awarded the Lions a penalty try in last Saturday's win over New Zealand Maori, when a scrum was wheeled and the home scrum splintered.
The Maori felt the Lions turned the scrum yet got the reward because Peyper deemed they were the dominant side.
The situation was similar in the Crusaders game, where the hosts felt Raynal favoured the Lions.
But
To add to the confusion, teams are sometimes regarded as having "earned the turn".
The Highlanders did just that, gaining a match-winning penalty to boot.
Replacement props Aki Seiuli and Siosuia Halanukonuka hit square and drove square. The scrum eventually turned because the Lions' tighthead dropped his right shoulder to do what's known as "escape the power."
Referee Gardner blew a penalty to the Highlanders and Marty Banks kicked the goal that won the match.
Scrumming for penalties
In general terms, the Lions possess an immensely powerful and impressive scrum and indulge in few illegalities.
One tactic they do favour, in order to win penalties, is to keep the ball in the scrum for an extended period. In their win over the Chiefs, for instance, they were even doing that in their own territory.
Referee Garces ruled in their favour and they were able to kick to touch in the Chiefs' 22 and drive from a lineout.
Typically Super Rugby scrums will be over and done with within eight seconds. The Lions will hold the ball in for up to 20. Scrums that last that long often collapse or disintegrate, leaving referees with a decision to make.
Unhappy hookers
Hookers actually hooking is something of a lost art. Injured All Blacks hooker Dane Coles is one of the few who're left. The pressure on the hooker's body makes that difficult for starters, plus the act of hooking is said to rob a scrum of 30 per cent of its impetus.
Jamie George will start at hooker for the Lions on Saturday and is one who does not hook. The Lions will instead look to drive, or walk, over the ball, rather than hook it.
Typically, a hooked ball will get to a No.8's feet in eight tenths of a second. Walking over the ball, as the Lions do, takes considerably longer and, again, increases the chances of referee intervention. (Jaco, are you reading this?->>Resist the urge to blow that whistle because of some preconcieved idea)
Watch for the All Blacks to put the squeeze on George to prevent the Lions walking over the ball. That could lead to the ball just sitting there, with no-one able to strike for it.
Peyper's reputation for favouring dominant scrums means this facet of the game will be very keenly contested. Peyper remember, NO PRECONCIEVED BIASED IDEAS.
Peyper if you are reading this, leave that whistle alone and let the game flow. We want to watch the Test and not you.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2017, 17:56#16
Hakwa, I don't like Peyper either. He makes the stupidest errors at times and is way too cocky for his own good. It's a real disaster that this match was given to him. I really hope he doesn't fck up.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2017, 18:00#17
PS: having said that, worse reffs were awarded big matches in the past and even good refs get it wrong at times too.
24 Jun 2017, 08:33#18
Goooooooooooo Jacooooooooooooooooo!!!
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Jun 2017, 14:48#19
No serious errors, but you could see how huge the occasion was.