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Jake gets a few more

Started by Saffolk 37 REPLIES1,061 VIEWS· 24 May 2020, 13:58
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 13:58
#1
24 May 2020, 13:58#1
I see Travis Ismiel is coming back to the Bulls - always rated this guy Also EW Viljoen looks set to join the Bulls - good outside centre They have lost Gelant and Rosco though Gelant to WP, Rosco back to 7’s for the Olympics
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 May 2020, 14:10
#2
24 May 2020, 14:10#2

Rosco should indeed go back to sevens as should Senatla.

Snapster guess Jake buying what he can get? Not too awe inspiri ng

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
24 May 2020, 14:23
#3
24 May 2020, 14:23#3
EW Viljoen is an average Joe. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 14:32
#4
24 May 2020, 14:32#4
EW is a quality player - he showed that in his first year with WP, then took a back seat when they knew he was pissing off to England Shark you know fuck all as usual I’m sure Jake is targeting average Joe’s Shows how much you actually know Sweet fuck all The best still is JVR being fat
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
24 May 2020, 14:37
#5
24 May 2020, 14:37#5

Aplon...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 14:39
#6
24 May 2020, 14:39#6
Aplon has been brought in as a mentor I have read - which makes more sense
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 May 2020, 18:09
#7
24 May 2020, 18:09#7

Jake is big on leadership, experience, respect and establishing a culture. He always puts these things in place. Hence Aplon. Checks and balances. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 May 2020, 19:04
#8
24 May 2020, 19:04#8

"EW Viljoen is an average Joe."

But he is solid atleast.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 19:18
#9
24 May 2020, 19:18#9
More than solid, he showed some really good attacking touches at 13 in his first season for the Stormers, then got injured and then signed with Leicester and WP never selected him again The Bulls have no options at 13, he now provides that. Only just turned 25 so has time on his hands
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 May 2020, 19:48
#10
24 May 2020, 19:48#10

“ Also EW Viljoen looks set to join the Bulls - good outside centre “

Hahaha. That is somehow a bit of an irony. 

Many moons ago, Viljoen’s dad Ernest (also) EW, was in the Army at 1 SA Infantry Battalion, in Bloem, playing for Free State. 

We were working at restructuring some of the Infantry units in order to adapt to certain operational changes. We had to increase the number of PF members at certain units. One of them being 7 SA Infantry Battalion at Phalaborwa. We evaluated the operational planning for the Army and our one unit to draw men from was I SAI.


We decided to not just nilly willy transfer members away. Instead we call on the units to come up with suggestions regarding the members they were prepared to release.  

They produced their list of identified members. We doubled checked everything and I gave the authorisation for the transfer orders to be sent out by telex. 

Within an hour and a half I got a call from Lieutenant General Liebenberg, the Chief of the Army’s secretary. He wanted to see me immediately. I got their and he shat me out from a dizzy height. He had the commanding Officer of OFS Command on speaker phone. He was the regional commander above the unit commander of 1 SAI. I knew never to interrupt him while he was on a tirade. He was shouting at me asking who the fuck I was to just transfer away a provincial rugby player without consulting his unit and command etc, etc. I explained to him how I went about it and that Viljoen was being transferred on their own input. The Brig on the other end of the phone started back peddling saying no way can it be allowed for Viljoen to play for N Tvl just like that. It was easily fixed in the end. 

I just find it funny that Viljoen Jr will now end up playing where his old man almost ended up playing. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 May 2020, 20:31
#11
24 May 2020, 20:31#11

Saffex, you forgot about RJ VR's poor hands.

Cos they were slippery from all the pie grease...So says VrotVis.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 May 2020, 20:34
#12
24 May 2020, 20:34#12

Cera, I was arrested on the Tempe base in Bloem. And I was just going there to hit a few cheap golf balls.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 May 2020, 22:00
#13
24 May 2020, 22:00#13

Don’t fcuk with an MP, Plum. 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 May 2020, 22:06
#14
24 May 2020, 22:06#14

EW is the poor man's JJ.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 22:57
#15
24 May 2020, 22:57#15
Cool story Vlag
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 May 2020, 23:02
#16
24 May 2020, 23:02#16
Jake is after Bongi
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
24 May 2020, 23:29
#17
24 May 2020, 23:29#17
Maybe Aplon will be an attack specialist, player/coach. Jake White is good at defence and forward play.
If he has a backline attack specialist like at the Brumbies with Larkham he will put together a very good team. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 May 2020, 23:29
#18
24 May 2020, 23:29#18

“  Posted by: Saffex (18613 posts)

May 24, 2020, 22:57

Cool story Vlag“

 As they say. Sometimes facts are stranger than fiction.

I’ve seen some strange shit happening in the Army. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 May 2020, 23:32
#19
24 May 2020, 23:32#19

"Don’t fcuk with an MP, Plum. "

Which is exactly what happened.

They searched us at the gate. Was summer and all car windows were rolled down.

As it said MP on their sleeves, one of my mates loudly asked...

"Ek wonder waarvoor staan MP?"

Then answered his own question just as loudly...

"Seker M a se P#@$"

They didn't like that. Was kneeling on the pavement two seconds later.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 01:17
#20
25 May 2020, 01:17#20

Hahaha. 

Back in the day there were MPs and RPs. 

The MPs were members of the SA Corps of Military Police. Properly trained in Military policing, the MDC (Military Discipline Code) the lot. They wore the brown cap with the top part in Chili Red. Chili Red armbands with MP on it (as you said). 

The RPs were the Regimental Police. They were normal guys from any corps who were put through a basic military policing course and were given limited authority internally within their own units only. Similar armbands but with RP on it.The MPs had policing powers in the entire Defence Force. 

The RPs were Regte P*ese and the MPs were Moerse P*ese.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2020, 01:43
#21
25 May 2020, 01:43#21
Vlag how long were you in the Army for?
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 May 2020, 08:07
#22
25 May 2020, 08:07#22

Ah, so it's not the first time they'd heard something like that.

Now I think they overreacted haha

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 09:52
#23
25 May 2020, 09:52#23

Fourteen and a half years, Saf. Jan ‘76 to end of Jun ‘90

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2020, 11:19
#24
25 May 2020, 11:19#24
Wow - what rank did you end with? Where were you based in those years. When did you come here?
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 14:04
#25
25 May 2020, 14:04#25
@ Saf. 
There are a few ways to becoming an officer. The one is the quicker way. Doing basics, followed by juniors leaders and becoming a one-pip second lieutenant and then climb the ladder. 
Another way is to get a degree and then convert to the officer stream by doing an officer’s course. 
The other way is to go through the non-commissioner ranks, apply for officer selection and if selected, do the course and take it from there. 
I did a combination of the last two. I started studying part time while in the Army. It was a bit difficult because you would constantly be sent on training at the same time as well. So, I applied for selection about a year and a half before finishing my degree. I was already a Staff Sergeant by that time, on my way to become a warrant officer, when I did the officer training. In fact my promotion to WO wef Jan the next year was promulgated while I was on course. I finished the course becoming a lieutenant and resigned as a captain with my last day of duty the day before becoming a major. 
I spent my career in various head quarters from Command level to Army HQ to Defence HQ with several stints at various operational units on detached duty. My last six months was as the Personnel Officer at at corps training school. 
Had a lot of interesting times and exposure. Did a Military Law Officer’s course as well and sat on many courts martial. Took part in some very interesting cases. 
One of them was the court martial of the secretary/treasurer of the SADF Boxing Association. He stole R53,000 from the association. There were many mitigating circumstances. Our first decision that we (myself, the second member of the court and the chairman of the court) had to take was to decide whether to decide whether to proceed with the case or whether to defer it to a civil court. We decided to proceed and hear the case. The reason was that, had it been referred to and heard in civil court, he would have been jailed for at least five years. Due to the mitigating circumstances we eventually sentenced him to repay the money, being stripped in rank to private, and dishonourable discharge. He had already repaid almost half the money at that time. He was a Warrant Officer First Class. What’s more his old man was the famous (in SA) boxer, George Robinson. I’m only disclosing his name because the story and the trial made the newspapers at the time. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2020, 18:56
#26
25 May 2020, 18:56#26
Why did you not hang on for a day or two for that major scalp? Cool story re the boxer!! I got into law indirectly through my experience in the army. Did my first year at Infantry School which was hell on earth and then had a great second year with my platoon of Shangaans patrolling the Kruger Park boundary. We were based near Phalaborwa in a game park (Letaba Ranch) and used to go up to Madimbo close to Kruger We used to be 4 in a group who would set up a TB at least 5km apart and patrol from one TB to the other. On payday my troops would detour to the nearest shebeen and get slaughtered. The one time they held some poor girls at gunpoint and raped them. I was of course nowhere near this activity nor did I know it was happening but the idiot Major decided to hold me responsible. I was sent to Musina to be prosecuted. I was delivered to a blonde surfer from Durban doing his national service having completed his law degree, who was meant to handle my case. We ended up going to a pub and got talking about studying law etc. We got pretty smashed together and at the end of the night he said if the Major asked, tell him I was trialled and found not guilty
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 19:55
#27
25 May 2020, 19:55#27

Nah. I saw the writing on the wall. Some shyte I’d rather not repeat here. You can Google CCB (Citizens Cooperation Buro). That’s as far as I’ll go. 

So, you been at Letaba Ranch, 113 Bn. Been there quite a few times. I don’t know when you were there, but in the early days, when the Base was started the PF Commanding Officer was Lt Daan Welman, he became a Capt shortly thereafter. Madimbo was 111Bn and IIRC the Zulu Bn at Jozini was 112 Bn. 

If you patrolled all the way along the Mozambique border, you would probably have been to Nwanedzi Base as well. They were the guys who acted as a protection force for the Sisal planters that used to plant the sisal strip along the Kruger Park/Moz border. They had a great chef. Whenever we went down there we used to buy buffalo steaks at Skukuza camp. He had a way of marinating them and then chuck them on the coals with his own secret basting sauce. 

I, of course, do not know the exact circumstances but from what you are saying the major was clutching at straws in any case. He obviously wanted to stick to a summary trial because a court martial could not be done poste haste. It would have required a board of inquiry to be convened first. The board of inquiry would then make a recommendation regarding prosecution. Only then would a court martial be convened which would have taken place at either 7 SAI at Phalaborwa or Voortrekkerhoogte. The board of inquiry would have involved himself as a fact witness having to explain his camp standing orders in this regard, including his clear instructions to yourself regarding after hours supervision of your troops with the possibility of himself being implicated. He obviously decided on a summary trial to either scare you off or “getting you in line”. 

I loved doing those courts martial. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2020, 22:19
#28
25 May 2020, 22:19#28
I was with 113 in 1989. Letaba Ranch was a great base and Madimbo was pretty cool but I did not spend much time at either of the bases as we were always in the Kruger. Crooks corner rings a bell. We got a call one day to terminate a cow carrying foot and mouth, that was trying to cross the Limpopo from Zim or Moz, I can’t recall. I sent some of my troops down the mountain to go shoot the poor thing but the reeds and vegetation was so thick down there they could not get a clear shot. They kept shooting hoping for the best. I grabbed my rifle and shot it from the top of the mountain - it was the size of a pin head in my sites. You could hear all three shots were hits . The cow rolled over in the river and was soon enveloped by crocs. My troops could not believe I had shot it from so far away. That major had no leg to stand on and ironically got kicked out of the army soon after my episode for hitting one of the chefs he accused of looking at his visiting wife in an inappropriate way. When I knew he was going I tried to pick a fight with him but the wimp would not bite I loved my platoon of Shangaans - when we used to go running as a platoon their singing would give me goosebumps. Talking about chefs - one of the chefs at 113, a tiny guy made the most awesome marinade for meat on the braai. I asked him for the recipe which was effectively a mixture of everything in his kitchen - tomato sauce, chutney, vinegar, Worcestershire sauce, mayo and mixed herbs etc. His name was Siko so I called it Siko sauce
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2020, 22:28
#29
25 May 2020, 22:28#29
Vlag I then discovered this book written by a guy who had followed the same national service route as me - Infantry School then 113 Great read given the relevance to me: In The Name Of God - Defending Apartheid Michael HH Warren
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 23:03
#30
25 May 2020, 23:03#30

“ I loved my platoon of Shangaans - when we used to go running as a platoon their singing would give me goosebumps. “

A great thing with all black soldiers. They could march for kilos without anybody shouting the time. Just the singing. Amazing to watch. 

They guys from 21Bn at Lenz was the same. Amazingly proud soldiers. Painfully disciplined. 

Their uniforms always perfectly ironed. Boots shining like mirrors. Their parade work was second to none. I don’t have to tell you that. You would know, being at 113, that none of those guys were conscripts. They were all volunteers. Every single one of them. Great soldiers. Very loyal as well, as long as you showed them the same courtesy. I always had great respect for them. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 May 2020, 01:54
#31
26 May 2020, 01:54#31

 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 May 2020, 02:08
#32
26 May 2020, 02:08#32
Boy could they march - they adapted the traditional way of marching to their own beat - it was brilliant to watch. I recall us being at some base once and we were marching down this road doing our thing and this SM came running out of his office kaking all over me for letting my boys show the world how it’s done. I laughed him off and we carried on in style - fuck they hated this soutpiel in the army. Yes many of my guys had been in the army for over 10 years and happy just to stay as troops. I treated them as mates and they respected me for that. Got more out of them than all the pricks who kept shouting and screaming at them One of my corporals came home with me on pass. Slept on a mattress in my room with me. Unheard of in those days
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 May 2020, 09:05
#33
26 May 2020, 09:05#33

I'm somehow envious of these stories. 


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 May 2020, 09:26
#34
26 May 2020, 09:26#34

"I grabbed my rifle and shot it from the top of the mountain - it was the size of a pin head in my sites. You could hear all three shots were hits . The cow rolled over in the river and was soon enveloped by crocs. My troops could not believe I had shot it from so far away."

Yeah riiiiiight ...  and let me guess ... you also train for 5 hours everyday, right?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaa!!!

So the crocs only made a meal of the cow once you shot it dead, huh? What were they waiting for?

Do you even know which end of the rifle you hold to your shoulder?

Bullshitter Dave at his best.



SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
26 May 2020, 21:17
#35
26 May 2020, 21:17#35
They're likely regurgitated stories that Dave overheard in bars he used to frequent back in SA. One step away from stolen valour. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
26 May 2020, 21:36
#36
26 May 2020, 21:36#36

Reminds me of my days back in Vietnam. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 May 2020, 22:31
#37
26 May 2020, 22:31#37
Shezza you found your dick yet? Sharktwat is that your attempt at humour dipshit?
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
27 May 2020, 00:49
#38
27 May 2020, 00:49#38
It's where it has always been, in your ex wife.
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