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Jake invests in big young kids

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jan 2014, 11:38
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31 Jan 2014, 11:38#1

Yep Jake and Beeno again on the same page.

Ex Keo

Jake White has already unearthed a gem in fullback Tyler Fisher.

The Sharks and former Springbok and Brumbies coach has always held the belief that a good big back is always better than a good little back.(Great minds think alike stuff!)

White, when I spoke to him a few weeks ago, raved about the physicality of 20 year-old utility back Fisher, who had played for SA Schools in 2012 and played at outside centre for the Sharks u20 side.

Fisher played in the Sharks u20 midfield alongside Andre Esterhuizen, who was a late replacement for the Sharks starting line-up against Saracens.

White has never been afraid to pick kids. In 2004, when given the Springbok job, he selected a core of his baby Boks, who the previous year had won the World IRB title.

And when he took over at the Brumbies he scouted the club system to find players of the quality of Jesse Mogg and scrumhalf Nick White.

Fisher, according to White, offers a dimension at fullback. He is strong, physically imposing and gets length on his punts.

‘Watch this kid,’ White told me a few weeks ago. ‘He has something.’

White was also impressed with Esterhuizen and when Frans Steyn pulled out of the match White entrusted Esterhuizen with the challenge of playing Saracens.

The big centre did not look out of place.

Neither did flyhalf Tim Swiel, who last season played for Western Province u20s.

Swiel, Esterhuizen and Fisher are still under 21 – and that’s one of the positives from the Saracens match.

The form of loose-forward Tera Mtembu was equally encouraging. Mtembu, another of the youth brigade, is comfortable playing flank or No 8 and White opted to start Mtembu at No 6 against Saracens.

Willem Alberts was used at No 8 and White could look to alternate him at flank and No 8, depending on the fitness, form and availability of Ryan Kankowski.

Replacement hooker Kyle Cooper also showed good impact off the bench and veteran Jean Deysel will be integral to White’s loose-forward combinations.

The Sharks never looked like winning against Saracens, and few would have expected a victory against a team leading the English Premiership and midway through their season.

But the South Africans showed excellent conditioning for a first pre-season contact hit-out and the period of defence when down to 13 men for nine minutes in the first half would have delighted White.

The Sharks created two well-work tries while Saracens were gifted two. The first was controversial as Saracens took a quick penalty tap while one of their players was being treated. The Sharks had assumed the ball was not in play. The second try came from an intercept in the last play before half-time.

Had Swiel’s pass hit the target it would have been a Sharks try, given the two-player overlap.

In other pre-season warm-ups, the Cheetahs would have got value in their outing against the Southern Kings. They trailed 21-7 before winning 36-21.

The Lions brushed aside the Leopards 56-14 and the Stormers and Bulls only start their warm-ups in the next week.

The Sharks, though, couldn’t have asked for a better pre-season start and the physicality and intensity of the match gave White answers whereas one-sided pre-season hit outs usually leave coaches with nothing but questions.

Snapster how good are these youngsters?

I also wonder what will become of Daniel.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 14:11
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31 Jan 2014, 14:11#2

What have I been saying about Tyler Fisher for the past 2 years? 

 

 

Beeno, did you not watch the Sharks warm up game against Sarries?

 

 

Esterhuizen was the best Shark on the park, he was man handling the Sarries defenders at will. Breached defenders a good few times and scored a try. At 104kg's he takes some stopping, but is clearly blessed with raw strength.

 

 

Fisher only lasted one half, but was playing out of position at 15. He is usually a 13. He was good under the high ball, ran a good line on the counter and imposed himself physically. Took a late charge to the shoulder just before the half and did not return for the second half.

 

He to is a big physical lad who has a knack for scoring tries.

 

 

Fisher and Esterhuizen are the obvious choices to partner Frans at 12.

 

 

Swiel at 10 had a solid outing, showed glimpses of the creativity we know he has, but the pouring rain was hardly conducive to attacking rugby.

 

 

Swiel is pure class and could seriously challenge Lambie for the Sharks 10 spot 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2014, 14:42
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31 Jan 2014, 14:42#3

Beeno 


I was impressed with the younger players used against Saracens - but not really with some of the seniors.  Deysel and Bismarck were  very good and hardworking.  Beast  was average - but Jannie and Doolittle Alberts not really in the game.


I was particularly impressed by Andre Esterhuizen,  Mark him down as the future no 12 center of the Springboks.   Unless Steyn improves beyond recognition from what he was last year - he will be out of the Sharks backline pretty soon.


I have a feeling there I one thing Andre has - which is totally absent in Steyn - and that is ball sense. 


    

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 14:52
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31 Jan 2014, 14:52#4
Mike, tell us what ball sense is?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:17
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31 Jan 2014, 15:17#5

Saffex


We were through that one before.  Ball sense relates to instinctive assessment of situations (reading of the game)  and decision making aimed at maximising options that would benefit the team in every particular situation.


Steyn needs time to assess situations - he is not an instinctive player - The further he is away from the forwards - the better he performs - since he has more time to make decisions.  That is why he is an excellent full back - did not make the grade when he was tried at 10 and tends not to know what to do with the ball when he gets it at 12 - hence the abnormal high number of crashballs and aimless kicking he did last year.  


white certainly can get him physically fit - but he cannot make him an instinctive (quick-thinking) player.   The two Steyns (Morne and Francois) both have problems with thinking rugby - the only difference is Morne cannot read the game at all and is robotic - Francois (given time) can make decisions under certain circumstances.   


The  really great players in rugby have all been ball sense players - others strive to reach that status - but never really makes it.


   

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:41
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31 Jan 2014, 15:41#6
Wow what a load of horse shit  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:41
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31 Jan 2014, 15:41#7
Wow what a load of horse shit  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:54
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31 Jan 2014, 15:54#8

 Saffex


Not horseshit at all,  You get two players with equal physical abilities - one makes it - the other one does not.   What is the difference?  It is all in the op storey - and ball sense means  just that.     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:02
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01 Feb 2014, 12:02#9
So if Frans has no ball sense as you ignorantly maintain......how has he made it under various Bok coaches huh?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:20
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01 Feb 2014, 12:20#10

Saffex


He is a physical player and can play at center - but a great center he would never be.  The fact is he is not really a thinking player - limiting his usage to an extent.    

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:28
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01 Feb 2014, 12:28#11
Bullshit, Frans is a class act who has great ball sense, skill and vision.......add that to his physicality.......he is one of the best 12's in the game and that is exactly why he is always in the Bok side and your take on him is the very reason people cant take you seriously when it comes to rugby........much like your take on Alberts
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