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Jake "the snake" White Quiits the Sharks

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
29 Sept 2014, 12:48
#1
29 Sept 2014, 12:48#1
Jake quits Sharks
  • 29 Sep 2014
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Jake White during the Super Rugby campaign

Jake White has stepped down as Sharks director of rugby after just one season in charge.

White led the team to the Super Rugby semi-finals earlier this year before taking a more advisory role during the Currie Cup campaign, with Brad Macleod-Henderson handling the first team coaching duties.

White has made considerable changes to the Sharks' rugby structures in the year since his appointment. He was tasked with upping the skill levels of the young coaches as well as working to restructure the Sharks Academy. Initially signed on a two-year deal, he has taken the decision to part ways with the Sharks early, as he did when in charge with the Brumbies.

The Sharks and White are said to have begun discussions last week on a possible separation and an agreement was reached over the weekend.

Current Sharks CEO John Smit was key to White's appointment at the end of 2013, having won the World Cup with him during a successful tenure at the Springboks.

'Jake and I have known each other a long time and were very frank in our discussions regarding this Sharks opportunity back in 2013,' said Smit. 'Jake was excited to implement change as well as be involved with South Africa’s most talented squad but from the outset stated his ambition to be on the international stage again and I was all too happy to have him for however long we could. What he has achieved for us in such a short time is incredible and our staff and players have learned a huge amount.'

White's Sharks were the only South African side to make the play-offs. Their season concluded with a disappointing 38-6 semi-final loss to the Crusaders in what would turn out to be his last match at the helm.

'I was offered an exciting challenge in a great rugby city,' said White following the decision. 'I believe we put together some excellent structures under new chief executive John Smit, who was always supportive.

'I’m closing this chapter in my life as I believe it is the right time to do so. I want to thank and acknowledge the Sharks for my time spent with the team.'

White has long made it clear his intention to coach at international level again, while a move back to his home city of Cape Town is also said to have been a factor in his decision.

Meanwhile, the Sharks have given no indication of a possible replacement, or what the new coaching structure might be heading into the 2015 season.

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
29 Sept 2014, 12:49
#2
29 Sept 2014, 12:49#2
 I was just posting as you were ! Best ignore my post now !!! 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
29 Sept 2014, 12:50
#3
29 Sept 2014, 12:50#3
The Brumbies played some good rugby under Jake White and he turned their ship around from basement dwellers to contenders. 
Although it would seem his contributions were more on defense, forwards, kicking and playing the game in the opposition half. Larham and that other beard were responsible for backline play.Backline play may have been in despite of him, not by him.

He took over the Sharks and for allot of the season did well, however the backline play was pathetic. 
It was worse than Bulls rugby, and just completely dependent on having a better forward pack than most of the SuperXV teams, and relying on Frans Steyn who can kick further than most. 
Jake White knows one thing better than anyone, and that is how to turn rugby into a boring game.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
29 Sept 2014, 12:56
#4
29 Sept 2014, 12:56#4
Hot of the press Becs!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:01
#5
29 Sept 2014, 13:01#5
 "snake" who? Sorry Sharkie, honestly I tried to resist  me thinks you brought this up to limit the damage incase one of us haters brought it up first "I told you so" - BUT we are not going to do that (please I need help )
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:01
#6
29 Sept 2014, 13:01#6
 We were both pretty nifty there  

Is he off to the Stormers now  
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:08
#7
29 Sept 2014, 13:08#7
Yessssssssssss!

Best news of the year!

Bye bye Joke White and thanks for nothing . . . you won't be missed! Let's get the Sharks playing Sharks rugby again!


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:10
#8
29 Sept 2014, 13:10#8
 Please not to the Stormers, please!!!!
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:13
#9
29 Sept 2014, 13:13#9
 Rumoured to be heading to UWC as an assistant to PDivvy .
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:30
#10
29 Sept 2014, 13:30#10
If Joke goes to the Stompies it will be a double celebration!
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:35
#11
29 Sept 2014, 13:35#11
His excuse for quitting every job is to be closer to his family, why then take a job away in the first place.....
I wonder who initiated the separation. 
The bottom line is that he overplayed his Bok players. They were burnt out at the end of the tournament, especially after the Bok tests. 
If he had rotated his players more earlier in the season when games had allready been won by taking off the boks, he could have had a squad that was more fresh for the whole tournament. Instead he played them into the ground. 
The Curry Cup has been a joke this season. Each week their is a new team, with players being dropped so often it is impossible to see who are the first choice players. His talk of mentoring coaches has been a waist of time. Brad Mcloid Herderson and that other loser need to be disposed off. 
Jon Mitchell may be in line as a possible replacement at the Sharks. He just needs a good squad with depth like the Sharks, otherwise their will be more dramas
Jake White may find himself as coach of the Southern Queens if they get rid of the Watsons.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:40
#12
29 Sept 2014, 13:40#12
Who would be stupid enough to employ this joke next 
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
29 Sept 2014, 13:46
#13
29 Sept 2014, 13:46#13
 As long as he stays away from my country, I don't care who is silly enough to employ him !! 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:07
#14
29 Sept 2014, 14:07#14

Well lets see, how has Jake done?

 

Bok Coach....TN and RWC titles

 

Brumbies for one year.....S 15 final

 

Sharks for one year ....S15 Semi final

 

Oh sure that's an enormous failure. Jake has been immediately succesful wherever he has gone. His turnaround of the Boks from QF losers in RWC03 to TN winners in 2004 being the best example.

 

Like all coaches Jake has his strengths and his weaknesses. If he overplayed the Boks it was in part because he got into the playoffs and it was with the full concurrence of Sharks management including Smit.

 

Jake and Eddie Jones brought the Boks to their finest level in the professional era. They not only scored lots of great tries at the RWC, they also were almost impervious on defence. That away win in the RWC is our high point. But here we have the usual crowd... a failed lawyer and a wannabe journalist trying to rip him down. Schadenfreude at its most precious.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:23
#15
29 Sept 2014, 14:23#15
 They should put him in charge of the boks like yesterday ! Get 'em playing "proper" Bok rugger theres the go !
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:27
#16
29 Sept 2014, 14:27#16
 And all this time I thought Jake used Meyers Blue Bulls Blueprint to win the 2007 RWC 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:44
#17
29 Sept 2014, 14:44#17
 Mozart
Everyone is aware of Jake Whites's credentials as a coach and that is not disputed.   We are not talking of the past here - but of the present.   
White left the Brumbies midway through his contract with them and is then appointed with loud fanfare by the Sharks.  The Sharks in Super 15 played up and down rugby and they ultimmately with great difficulty got through tothe semi-final - where they failed.   
A successful coach does not resign from a fanchise without reason - and going home to Cape Town is really not a sound reason.   What happened behind the scenes is not clear.   What went wrong that caused the resignation is the question in the mind of thinking people.   
Lets look at the history of the Sharks.  They were in the final in 2012 and they wetn into 2013 with high hopes.   The initial games showed some postive signs - but they then fell apart as a result of injuries and all kind of problems in the team itself - the main controversy was Francois Steyn and his physical deficiency  and the role he played in the team itself.   Plumtree was fired and Dr Venter came in and lasted a total of 3 months.   That was followed by White who lasted a year.
What is going on at the Sharks - why the resignatuion of White?   Has it got to do with the type of rugby he played and his usage of players?   Did White's -
*   style of play ultimately impacted negatively on the Sharks performances; and
*  did his loyalty to Francois Stetyn cause disruption - especially since Steyn's performances in the main were not up to standard.
The Sharks made some seriously problematic changes to their team in the CC recently,  like -
*    playing Andre Esterhuizen on the flank; and *    Leaving out Jordaan in thir penulimnate match.
Both the above caused losses and a draw for the Sharks in the three games before last Saturday - in which they played a completely different type of rugby and won convincingly despite scrumming deficiencies.   What was White's role in team selection and strategiy in the lost and drawn matches?   Was he to blame for the wrong selections and team strategy?
There is a lot of questions to be asked and one can only assume that answers will be provided as time goes on.   
Incidentally White has done no better for the Sharks than Smal did for the Stormers/WP.
               
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:48
#18
29 Sept 2014, 14:48#18
Jake was poor as a Bok coach, his overall record confirms that......a WC win does not make a coach a good one  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
29 Sept 2014, 14:57
#19
29 Sept 2014, 14:57#19
Jake White is a good coach, but he plays boring rugby. He is not going to draw the crowds with his conservative way of playing.
His weakness is backline play, and his strength is committed rugby on defense. In his next job he needs to ensure that he has a specialist backline coach.

The game when the Brumbies played the Sharks in Canberra, was the most negative game of rugby ever.  It was clear they were both playing Jake Ball.Both teams would not play unless they were in the opposition half so they just kicked back in forth the whole game. 
Jake White did have good achievements as bok coach, but remember the 2006 season which was perhaps the worst by any Bok coach. He also had a very good squad, some of whom were the best in their positions in the world. Habana was certainly the best wing, Fourie Dupreez, Matfield, Schalk Burger, etc,etc. These 4 players may have made the world XV at the time.
Winning the World Cup was good, but the draws in world cup can sometimes be easy. South Africa never played Australia or the All Blacks, and only had to beat a poor England team enroute to the final. 
Jake White did well with the Brumbies in his 2 seasons. The Sharks have the best pack in SuperXV, and also decent backline resources. They made the semis, but Plumtree would most likely have done the same or better.
Something has happened at the Sharks behind the scene. The Curry Cup is a complete disaster given the calibre of players available. Each week the team changes and players are hopelessly  out of form
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:10
#20
29 Sept 2014, 15:10#20
The guy has no loyalty  
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:12
#21
29 Sept 2014, 15:12#21

I am sure the Cheetahs will not mind a straight swop.  but more seriously, I think with McKenzie's stuttering against the ABs and even the Bokke. Jake may get an Ozzie offer after the 2015 RWC.

 

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:24
#22
29 Sept 2014, 15:24#22
 That is an interesting thought Blikkies - mmmmm imagine that. He would probably have to compete with Cheika for the spot though 
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:29
#23
29 Sept 2014, 15:29#23
Sharkbok, again, we didn't play Australia or the All Blacks because they were not good enough to win their playoffs. Australia lost to the same "poor" England side we beat in the final, as did France, who beat the All Blacks. We beat Argentina, who beat France twice in that tournament. How does that make Aus, NZ or even France teams we had to face to give credibility to our win? We faced Fiji in the quarters because they beat Wales. Again, not our fault that the top 8 side we were supposed to face got their butts kicked by minnows. If they were good enough we would have faced at least one of them. They weren't. End of story.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:34
#24
29 Sept 2014, 15:34#24
 yeah Sharkie, you have been told. In the same manner the Boks were not good enough to meet the ABs in the 2011 RWC Semis - end of story (aye Beeno)

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2014, 15:48
#25
29 Sept 2014, 15:48#25
 
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
29 Sept 2014, 17:37
#26
29 Sept 2014, 17:37#26
 Shocked to read this.
But it appears that he has bigger ambitions than leading the Sharks.
With his attitude over the past few seasons I think he will have a problem getting a national position. But he has all the credentials to lead the EP Queens.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Sept 2014, 17:44
#27
29 Sept 2014, 17:44#27
 Say and what are your leadership credentials Arthur . How many men have you led into battle?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2014, 17:59
#28
29 Sept 2014, 17:59#28
 Mozart
You do not have an enquiring mind about rugby - now do you,?   Inexplicable things happen and you do not even try to come up with questions as to the reason (s) for it.     
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
29 Sept 2014, 18:27
#29
29 Sept 2014, 18:27#29
HA!!!

i called this very incident a number of times before the 2014 spXV even started, jake white will do the dirty on the sharks and i even highlighted the stormers as a possible contender, considering how useless coetzee is.

his actions should come as no surprise really, joke white is the type of low life who will always jump ship as he looks for greener pastures, and no one should expect anything less from a such a bonafied not a single loyal bone in his body Fwit.

dear Lord i do hope joke white is the next Bok coach after the All Blacks win the 2015 RWC, i woulodnt mind another easy four years from the republic like the ones meyer gave us, bawahahahahaha,
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Sept 2014, 18:38
#30
29 Sept 2014, 18:38#30
Would you sign a contract with this man?    He would look good in a stormers outfit
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2014, 12:35
#31
30 Sept 2014, 12:35#31

Jake White has stepped down as director of rugby at South Africa's Sharks Super Rugby franchise to pursue international opportunities ahead of the World Cup next year.


''The time is right for Jake to free himself up for any international coaching and consulting opportunities ahead of the tournament in England,'' the Sharks said in a statement.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
30 Sept 2014, 12:36
#32
30 Sept 2014, 12:36#32
 Why Jake left Sharks
  • 30 Sep 2014
 837  63Jake White

Jake White quit the Sharks after growing discord between himself and his coaching staff and players.

According to The Mercury's Mike Greenaway, while White may not technically have been fired by the board of the Sharks, it is believed he was no longer heading a harmonious environment.

Former Springbok assistant coach Gary Gold is the early favourite to replace White as the Super Rugby coach, with former All Blacks coach John Mitchell, who lives in Durban, also in the running.

White’s allegedly dictatorial coaching style won him few friends in the Shark Tank and it has been agreed that he will step down after just one year in the job. He has already returned to his home in Cape Town.

While White has been linked with a job at Maties, SARugbymag.co.za understands that he could join Irish club Ulster.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
30 Sept 2014, 12:38
#33
30 Sept 2014, 12:38#33
John Mitchell is another tyrant dictator . I would like to see what he can do with the Skarks though
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
30 Sept 2014, 13:01
#34
30 Sept 2014, 13:01#34
 Ah, he will be very close to his family in Ulster !!!  
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2014, 09:02
#35
03 Oct 2014, 09:02#35
 Jake will probably want to involved in one of the International Teams taking part in the RWC 2015 - my best bet is he will be going to Japan to join Eddie Jones.

Japan were very competitive the last time the All Blacks played them.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
03 Oct 2014, 10:16
#36
03 Oct 2014, 10:16#36
 John Mitchell was just as bad. He ruined the best Fullback ever imo Christian Cullens Test Career for Leon Mcdonald, Ben Blair, and an Auckland FullBack i think Ben Atiga (who coincidentily came on againgst Tonga at the 2003 wc and knocked on haha) 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2014, 10:19
#37
03 Oct 2014, 10:19#37
 Moz the oaks here are very confused. They dont even understand success from failure.
Thye forget the brilliant brumbies dispaly that shocked the Bulle to their roots - while of course Jake was coaching the brumbies. Brilliant backline play. 
Too many injuries prevented proper rotation of the sharks players but dimwits like the ranting sharkbok fail to grasp this. It was unfortunate that that some sharks player were over played.
Who will ever forget the Sharks beating the hapless cruties in Christchgurch with 13 men. These players we are told by ou maaaikie despise the coach etc. John Smit a great fan of White wants him gone. We are to beleive all this
Lots of very, very cheap shots aginst Jake here which are quite disgusting. I note also that the kbbs are rubbishing Jake White the man who schooled sirs john and graham. You bet they dont want Jake back. Just like they love ou victor playing lock for the Boks. Wise up oaks you are all top candidates for the dunces hat. 
Jake has had a glittering career as a coach and only a complete twit would say otherwise. Dont be mislead by ou rooitwit and snapster they ahve been anti Jake ever since Jake rubbed their noses in it by winning the RWC. BwahahahahhahahahahaIt only got worse for these dimwits when the brumbies reached the final and the Sharks the semis under Jake as coach . 
Bon voyage Jake we hope you find the international post you are seeking. I fully understand why you want to licve in Cape Town rather than dank, humid Durban  - a primitive place lacking in culture, history and refinement and of course having little of the natural beauty of Cape Town one of the wonders of the world  - where Beeno lives etc. 


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