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Jake White's Resignation

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 07:44
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30 Sept 2014, 07:44#1

There has been two newspapr articles on White's resignation from the Sharks set-up and those are reflected here:-


Jake White's Loyalty


"The announcement that Jake White willleave current Currie Cup champions the Sharks has led many to question the former World Cup-winning Springbok coach's loyalty.


According to eNCA's website, pundits are baffled at his decision especially after White revealed that he would be interested in coaching internationally again in the lead up to the 2015 Rugby World Cup.   


White quit the Sharks after just one season in charge, reaching the Super Rugby semi-final, losing to the Crusaders.  


While in Durban, he was also tasked to up skill the young coaches and tidy up all rugby structures from the Sharks Academy right up to the senior team.


"I believe we put together some excellent structures under new chief executive John Smit, who was always supportive.


"I'm closing this chapter in my life as I believe it is the right time to do so. I want to thank and acknowledge the Sharks for my time spent with the team," said White in a statement.


Meanwhile, on Twitter, some were saying that White may even be reunited with Gert Smal, who is the director of rugby at Western Province, while others echoed murmurs of discontent within the Sharks ranks, which further fuelled speculation that White may have been pushed to resign before he was sacked.


Former Springbok assistant coach Dick Muir said that despite a relatively successful stint with the Sharks during the Super Rugby season, his playing style, although winning, did not attract and that White "wasn't much of a crowd pleaser".


With most of the top-tier teams already set in their preparations for the RWC in England next year, it is unclear where White may move to next, should he indeed return to the international arena."


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Interesting comments on twitter.   Lets cast our minds back to 2012 - when the Stormers played the same style of rugby as advocated by White and lost badly against the Crusaders in the  Super 15 semi-final at home.   That type of rugby based on defense and ten-man rugby did not find favour with the Sharks fans and I woukld not be surprised if the discontent in the Sharks raks was getting to a crisis point.    It is possible that the rebellion was in the main about Francois  Steyn's destructive roile in backline perforrmances - especially since those were generally inadequate both from an attacking and defending perspective.    The mere fact that Steyn was excused from training with the team due to a whacky knee  would show undue favouritism and would not be appreciated by his team mates and could cause  major disgruntlement amongst the players.  


Jake-free Sharks to cut loose


"The effect at Kings Park, good or bad, of Jake White’s abrupt departure from the Sharks fold may become evident sooner rather than later ... perhaps even as swiftly as Friday night.


It is then that the defending Currie Cup champions play a vital match against the Golden Lions, one which could go some way to determining which of the two earns a home semi-final.


As things stand, the Sharks lie third on the table with two rounds of pre-knockout play left, five points behind the second-placed Lions.


A clear-cut victory for the home side would potentially draw them level with the Johannesburg-based outfit, even if the dice would stay loaded against the Sharks ending ordinary season better placed: the Lions’ last match is at home to the Cheetahs, whereas the Durban crew must travel to the Cape to play rampant leaders Western Province.

Whatever happens -- and even considering the fact that the Currie Cup is an increasingly poorer cousin to Super Rugby -- I just suspect we may see some tangible evidence over the next few weeks of the mood in the Kings Park camp following the rather sudden exit of director of rugby White.


Yes, he took on an “advisory” role for the Currie Cup campaign, but was still the big guy to all intents and purposes in the coaching staff’s pecking order: I can’t claim to know precisely to what extent he still pulled the strings even as Brad Macleod-Henderson wore the head coach tracksuit, but he is unlikely to have been a shrinking violet.

What is close to beyond dispute, I submit, is that for much of this year, whether in Super Rugby or the Currie Cup, too much of the Sharks’ play has been rigidly template-based and just a little joyless – it won’t have helped the quest to return better crowd figures to their home ground, and it is possible his philosophy wasn’t universally treasured by the Sharks players.


So did Jake jump after a lone full (well, fullish) calendar year in charge or was he pushed?

The answer was blowing in the wind as this was written, with a scramble for any clues through the fairly customary, diplomatic severance-of-duties statement from the Sharks on their official website on Monday.


Already one or two scribes have speculated on the instant medium of Twitter that some element of “good riddance” may have entered the equation; he has a reputation as a strong, single-minded and perhaps stubborn character.


But whatever you may say about the kindness of the Bok route to the glory that year, his World Cup 2007-winning achievement is an indelible component of his CV and may even be the cause of residual envy by some contemporaries and critics. 


White also attracts criticism for his perceived “mercenary” tendencies, the pretty standard joke being that if there’s a first-class rugby coaching job going anywhere in the world, he will be interested – even if he’s just started out somewhere else.


Then again, is there any law against someone being a fairly routine nomad and restless “quick fix” sort of guru? Aren’t there also cases of head honchos who actually overstay their welcome, and go fatally stale?


He wasn’t at the Brumbies for especially long, for example, but his efforts notably awakened a once-mighty Super Rugby franchise from a significant spell in the doldrums.

Given the strength of squad at his disposal, White also achieved roughly par, you might argue, in his only full season this year in charge of the Sharks’ own assault on the SANZAR tournament, taking them to the semi-finals as only South African side to get that far in a seriously disappointing year for our conference.


His teams don’t always win prettily, but historically they do tend to win more frequently than they lose, which is why his credentials will always attract interest.


Put it this way: the man won’t ever go hungry.


Has he moved properly with the times, though? Maybe that is a relevant topic to debate in the wake of his Durban departure.


A few weeks ago White was slightly crudely branded a “tactical Neanderthal” by a writer for New Zealand’s main national newspaper, whilst more locally SuperSport pundit and a predecessor as Bok coach Nick Mallett has sometimes lamented his “pressure rugby; kicking rugby ... too much playing without the ball”.


Interestingly, on the very weekend that news of White’s cessation of service at Kings Park may well have spread through the dressing room – or at least was on the very, very nearby grapevine -- the Sharks broke their shackles, if you like, to register a rare seven-try blitz against the EP Kings.


There just seemed an overdue whiff of freedom to their play, albeit that it has to be acknowledged the Kings have become painfully porous against just about everyone.

Is it just possible that a fresh fragrance of liberation, of gleeful abandonment of inflexible structure, has permeated the ranks?


My gut feel, whether correct or not, is that right now some rival strategists in the Currie Cup may fear a concerted late Sharks rally in defence of their title a wee bit more than they did a day or two ago.


So Durban bids farewell to Jake White. His short tenure was far from a disaster, but guarded “appreciation” may be a more lingering and accurate local tribute to him than affection. There will be those who offer up no tribute at all.


He is just, and may always be, that kind of guy."


COMMENTS


I wrote lsewhere about the selection problems encountered by the Sharks in recent weeks - namely the useage of Andre Esterhuizen and Paul Jordaan - or lack of it in recent matches lost or drawn by the Sharks.    Did Jake Wh8ite caused those misadventures as a result of inteference in team selection?    


Probably it was instrumental in creating a bad team atmosphere. and a generally poor performance by the Sharks in the three matches invovled.      The sudden recovery against the Sharks indicated that there wwas a clear change in team selection and hugely postive results.      


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
30 Sept 2014, 08:04
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30 Sept 2014, 08:04#2
The Sharks Selection policy has been a disaster in the Curry Cup. All the players seem to be out of form, but that could be due to the whole environment. 
Jake White is a good coach, but he plays boring rugby. He needs a backline specialist coach, like Eddie Jones of Steven Larkham- otherwise he is a kick away and chase & crashball coach
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 09:02
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30 Sept 2014, 09:02#3
 Sharkbok
I think that ther is generally accepted that the crashball-kick away strategy caused his downfall with the Sharks.  This straegy is ultimnately counter-produtive.   However, I still think that a player-rebellion was looming -hence the sudden departure of White.   
Ultimately favuritsm of individual players is counter-productive.   It is weird that three coaches suffered the same fate in so short a period of time - and the same player had an impact on at least two of them.   Francois Steyn was utlimately dropped from the starting line-up by Plumtree because of gross under-performance and the poor shape he was in.   Many said that the dismissal of Plumtree was a result of his dealings with Francois Steyn - but ibn relity Plumtree had serious problems with a large number of injuries to players as well.
Venter came in and lasted thre emonths before the Sharks got hold of White.   The first Round game of the Sharks was satisfacory - but thereafter the decline sets in.   R=The kick and chase and crashball game took over completely.  White's key was F racois  Steyn - whose goal kicking was good -and his out of hand kicks poor.   His crashballing was inadequate.    From a defese and atatcking perspective Stey was way below par.   However, he was White's favourite son and we all know that special privileges - as was given to Steyn - destroys teams.   The type of Jake White-Rugby has serious limitations and it was sheer luck that took the brumbies to the final.  A missed try conversion in the play-offs against the Cheetahs was the only saving factor that kept them in the competition.   That type of rugby played by the Stormers under the control of Coetzee - a Jake White protegee/favourite - in 2012 ultimately caused the caving in of that team in 2012 as well.
There is an o nteresting comparison between the 2012 performance of the Stormers and the 2014 performnce of the Sharks.   Both teams -
*    reached the semi-final stage of the competition playing a similar style of rugby which obviously has limitations as advance beyond the semis require a comprehensive performance - not the limited type of rubbish dished out by the two teams mentioned; and
*    both teams scored the least number of tries in the competition that year.          
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Sept 2014, 17:31
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30 Sept 2014, 17:31#4
jake white has no Springbok loyalty.

fact - when the Boks job was advertised in 2007, jake white didnt apply for the job.

fact - couldnt find an other rugby coaching gig til the brumbies who he left to be closer to his sons,,,,,
even though he moved to durban while they lived in capetown, (facepalm)

but despite this, he applied for the wallabies coaching job which ewan mackenzie ended up getting causing him to throw another sook.

fact - left the sharks after one year.

isis terrorists have more loyalty than this joker.

OMG i will be laughing my a55 of for the next 4 years straight if joke white ends up as Boksucker coach after the All Blacks win the 2015 RWC,
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 17:38
#5
30 Sept 2014, 17:38#5
Jake is an arrogant twat and an average coach  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:46
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30 Sept 2014, 18:46#6
 Dave
Even though the Sharks are soft-soaping reasons for White's departure - there are real info doing the rounds that White caused major problems at the Sharks and that the players was on the point of rebellion against him.   The Sharks had to sign a string of contracts with most of the players for the next three years and the chances were that they would refuse to sign and decamp to other franchises - thus causing a major crisis for the Sharks who cannot afford to lose some of their major players.   The other info is that some of the Sharks Board members could not take him either - and if he did not resign - he would have been fired.
I think the players were upset because White gave preferential treatment to some players and sh!t on the rest.  For instance  he allowed Francois Steyn not to train with the squad on Mondays and even Tusedays.   When things went wrong on the Saturday - they got the blame - while Steyn was poor often enough but he was never in trouble.
The other issue is the style of rugby he forced onto the Sharks - the crashball and kick style.   That did not tie in with the Sharks players and they were left with egg on their faces and a malfunctioning backline.   Apparently the spectators stayed away from matches as well, because there was nothing to go and watch when the Sharks was playing.
I think the Sh!t hit the fan when Esterhuizen was moved to flank forward for two games and Jordaan was dropped in the next game.   The Sharks lost the first two games and drew the third one.   Althhough he left the coaching to his CC sub-ordinates,  there was apparently inteference by him.
I think that the matter was finally settled this past weekend - when John Smit went to PE to watch the game against the Kings.   The Sharks played a different game altogether and whereas they rarely scored tries previously and was struggling to score same -  they scored 7 tries.     I think that it i likely that that was the final straw.   Incidentally Jordaan scored two tries and Etterhuizen one - while they previously did not get balls to play with and was treated like dirt.
       

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2014, 20:22
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30 Sept 2014, 20:22#7
 Mike, it was the Kings, even if they scored 10 tries there can't read anything into it. Lets see how they go against the 2 top teams.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 21:41
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30 Sept 2014, 21:41#8
 Jake is bad news his arrogance has always cost him remember Boks v Ireland and Brumbies v Stormers. He also plays a crap style and his Bok record was pathetic in the year leading into the WC. Hell he needed Jones to save his bacon. 
So much for him turning the Brumbies around, they were just as good this year.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 22:29
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30 Sept 2014, 22:29#9
 DB Draad
None of the orther opposing teams scored 7 tries - the other teams maximums were 5 tries.    However, what is important is the serious deficiency in scoring of tries - but in Super 15 and in the CC series.   Thery rarely scored tries and never really showed that hey ahd the abilityto do so.
hell - they lost against the Pumas and the Griquas and had a luckydraw againstthe Cheetahs.   How bad were theyin the three weeks that led up to the Kings game?  

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2014, 22:53
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30 Sept 2014, 22:53#10
 The type of Jake White-Rugby has serious limitations and it was sheer luck that took the brumbies to the final
If you believe that you will believe anything.
Jake improved the boks when he was coach, he improved the brumbies and he got the sharks to the semis in his first season.
The Sharks were NEVER as dull as the Stormers were under  Coetzee. Sharks would have had an even better season but for injuries.Fact is Jake has always said he wants to coach an international side so lets see what happenes.Fact also is that CEO Smit would have backed him to the hilt - they are blood brothers. If Jake wanted to stay he would have.
Fancy all these oaks running down Jake!!!! Hilarious stuff from the oaks!   So the brumbies managed to stay at the level JAke got them to the previous year. But who turned them around? ou snapster fails to see the wood from the trees and ou maaikie is miles deep in conspiracy theory and very little evidence it appears.
You are always welcome at the Stormers Jake. As for that very dumb kiwi journalist (amd cant kiwis be dumb!!! Bwahahahahhaha) he obviously forgot how Master Jake schooled sirs graham and john this year . 





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 23:06
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30 Sept 2014, 23:06#11
 Beeno
I am not running Jake White down as a coach - I am merelyy repeating what is being said locally.  Jake apparently is not an easy baby to get along wih and there were real indications about a player's revolt against him.     There were also unhappiness with his style of rugby and that remained for the Sharks Board members and supporters a headache.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Sept 2014, 23:44
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30 Sept 2014, 23:44#12
A lot of people want Jake to go to the stormers Beeno If he goes he might even stay for a full season, lol
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 23:48
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30 Sept 2014, 23:48#13
 Beenkop stop speaking kak go check Jakes record in the 2 years leading up to the WC.
Let me guess you think he was good because his side won the WC?
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