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Jake White: Sharks are going to win Super Rugby’

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
22 Nov 2013, 14:56
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22 Nov 2013, 14:56#1
Sharks are going to win Super Rugby’
  • 22 Nov 2013

Jake White has had a 'hectic' first week with the Sharks

New Sharks director of rugby Jake White has told his players to believe that they can lift the Sanzar trophy for the first time.

The Sharks have reached the final on four occasions – 1996, 2001, 2007 and 2012 – but have never been able to go all the way.

White, who took the Brumbies to this year's final, wants to make that happen for the Durban-based franchise.

'I have told them they are going to win Super Rugby,' he told the Sharks website.

 'If they don’t believe it then it is not going to happen.'

White said he'd had a 'hectic' first week in the job.

'I get here early at 7 in the morning and leave at 6 at night. That’s just because there's such a lot of stuff to do. I probably haven’t settled as I’d like to yet, but when you start in a new environment you’ve got to make sure everything is in place.'

White also outlined the Sharks' coaching structure going forward.

'Paul Anthony is the forwards coach, Brad Macleod-Henderson will be the technical analyst, who will also work with players on individual skills and breakdown work, looking after those specialised areas, Sean Everitt will take the backs and I’ll head up the defence. But I’ll have consultants who will work with us on all areas of our game.

'I will try get a couple of guys who I respect as coaches to come in and up-skill some of our coaches in some of the areas that I think we need to be up-skilled in, whether we get a kicking, lineout or scrum guy. It just helps in terms of the personal development of the coaches we have here.'

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
22 Nov 2013, 14:57
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22 Nov 2013, 14:57#2
 Brad Macleod Henderson has been demoted from head coach to technical analyst (camera man)
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
22 Nov 2013, 17:28
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22 Nov 2013, 17:28#3
 
Let's hope he isn't offered an opportunity to coach rugby at test level soon ... cause I doubt you'll see him for dust.
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
22 Nov 2013, 17:50
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22 Nov 2013, 17:50#4
 He is very honest about his intentions, but he never leaves anyone high and dry. He has been involved with the Sharks before, in their 2001 Super 12 season where they made the finals; he was assistant to Rudolph Straeuli. The stark contrast in their careers after parting ways makes me wonder how much Straeuli really did. Anyway, he left the Boks in good condition, left the Brumbies in good condition and with a very strong prospect for further success. If he leaves the Sharks, they will no doubt be in a better state than the any since the dismal 2008-2013 era.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Nov 2013, 18:13
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22 Nov 2013, 18:13#5

The Sharks have one hell of a squad, so no reason why they cant win it. A side of:

 

 

15. SP Marais 14. Mvovo 13. Whitehead/Fisher/Esterhuizen/H.Williams 12. Frans 11. Jordaan/Sithole 10. Lambie/Swiel 9. Reinach/McLeod 1. Beast/Chadwick 2. Bismark/Cooper 3. Jannie/Adriaanse/ Herbst 4. P.Marais/Bresler/E.Oosthuizen 5. Steph du Toit/Lewies 6. Daniel 7. Alberts/Deysel 8. Coetzee/Mtembu

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BuzzClub Pro175 posts
22 Nov 2013, 19:25
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22 Nov 2013, 19:25#6

Jake setting goals for the Boys. Good ! ( no joke ). A positive attitude has been the missing component over the past 5 years in Durban, the squads have always been very strong , but the belief has been in short supply.

 

@Saffex , Williams and Esterhuizen are 12's I wouldn't be looking at putting either at 13.

also you have left out Adriaanse from the team, which worries me are you not familiar with the Player.

 

And Timo Swiel at 10, the boy has had no experience at a true senior level, you cant just drop him in and cut the throat of Fred .

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Nov 2013, 19:58
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22 Nov 2013, 19:58#7

Yes, I know both Esterhuizen and Williams are 12's, but it would be worth having a look at them at 13 as Frans should dominate the 12 spot.

 

I forgot Adriaanse had moved to the Sharks, yes he is a definite to back-up Jannie.

 

 

Swiel is a far better talent than Fred, but Fred should have made my list  

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Nov 2013, 21:16
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22 Nov 2013, 21:16#8
 That is probably why the Cheetahs experimented with Trevor at tighthead after finding out that Adriaanse decision to go to the Sharks. 
But now they have three tightheads in Jannie, Herbst and Adriaanse. Probobably the strongest SA team at the moment.
The bulls have lost loads of players and their youngsters got schooled in the Currie Cup.
Stormers don't have the quality in Key positons. Coetzee keeps blooding midgets.
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
22 Nov 2013, 21:50
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22 Nov 2013, 21:50#9
 Currie Cup never has any baring on Super rugby prospects. The Bulls will be among the leaders, but the Jake factor could be an enormous influence in turning the tide. Traditionally the Sharks players slack off under media leniency with over bloated reputations; Jake will squeeze the best out of them all, I look forward to it.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Nov 2013, 21:56
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22 Nov 2013, 21:56#10
Coetzee has no idea, he overlooks far too many good players who end up leaving.

Quinn Roux, Koster, JP du Plessis, Tim Swiel and v/d Heever to name but some

de Kock Steenkamp favoured over Roux, v/Aswegen and Coleman over Swiel.......clueless springs to mind.

Wont be long before class youngsters like Ruan Botha and Pat Howard leave as they never get a look in.



KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Nov 2013, 22:12
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22 Nov 2013, 22:12#11
Pat Howard is probably 21 by now. I think most of these guys realise if they don't get enough gamer at both currie cup and super rugby level that it would be time to move on. De Allende and Howard had one game together in currie where by Howard scored a try. No has to make due with voda crap rugby. To think that we lost JJ, Polard and Sadie to the bulls and several more. Just wish Coetzee wil get fired. Should have gone last season when the stormer s finished after finished first the season before. Coincided with Rassie leaving
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2013, 22:55
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22 Nov 2013, 22:55#12

I said early on that the Sharks will be  the Super 15 champions this year.   White has a few problem areas to sort out - such as 12.   The problem is that Francois Steyn was not up to standard at 12 since his return from France and one wonders how White is going to handle that one. 


If I was White - I would have him on an extremely severe diet to get his weight down to 106 kgs and have him train every day in the gym and on the field to get his speed up to a reasonable level.   If Steyn does not react positively to the required regime - he is bound to be a goner - White will not put up with rubbish only because his name is Francois Steyn and he was a WC winning player.   Let hope he reacts positively, performs a heck of a lot better than he did this year and he can make it at 12.   If not - it is likely that Whitehead will take that position and Jordaan the no 13 position.


Remember Pietersen will be back to play for the Sharks from approximately mid-March as well,


All-in-all a very good attacking backline and very solid up front.     


   

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
22 Nov 2013, 23:24
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22 Nov 2013, 23:24#13
I think Whitehead may get the number 12 position with Frans Steyn at 13. I saw from replays of a Springbok test about 5 years ago and Frans Steyn looked so slim and agile compared to the Mcdonalds version of him.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2013, 23:32
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22 Nov 2013, 23:32#14

Sharkbok


There are two requirements for a 13 - namely speed and good defence.   This year Steyn showed neither of the 2 and unless White can manage to change those two aspects around - he will be a dead loss at 13.   At this stage to my mind  it depends on Steyn to get himself back into contention.   Whatever happened 5 years ago is not going to be of any help in 2014.


     

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 Nov 2013, 06:37
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23 Nov 2013, 06:37#15
food for thought, but white also said the brumbies were going to win the spXV, talk about nek minnit aye joke white???

take a look at the cheifs squad and then weep my saffa brus, 2014 is donte and dusted, white aint nothing compared to dave rennie who in his first two seasons has won TWO super rugby titles, a 100% strike rate.

the super rugby title is staying in NZ like it has 12 times from the last 18 years,
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2013, 09:27
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23 Nov 2013, 09:27#16

 My comments were aimed at getting the standard response and it worked!!!!!!!!!!!


There were quite a number of shuttling around of players - but I do not th ink that any team was particularly strengthened - maybe the Chiefs a bit.   For the rest I can see at most 2 NZ teams reaching the play-off stage and the semi's - with maybe one in the final.


Lets wait and see what happens - but my Super 15 fantasy selections has already suffered a blow.  I was bargaining on Carter as a banker - and that seems to have gone out of the window.     Luckily McCaw is not on my shortlist - because he will have another injury early on in Super 15.   The elderly should not stay beyond their "sell-by" date  in any event.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
23 Nov 2013, 13:32
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23 Nov 2013, 13:32#17
 Ask HM about ringing in the golden oldies ,is Dannie Craven still with us ??
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Nov 2013, 15:25
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23 Nov 2013, 15:25#18
Frans will play 12, he is not quick enough for 13.......the Sharks need to work out who is the best option at 13 and they have a number of options here. Their two U21 centres in Tyler Fisher and Esterhuizen are awesome talents. Esterhuizen plays 12, but is only 19 and could easily be shifted to 13. A big lump at 102kg. Fisher not making the Baby Bok squad this year was a disgrace after he played in all their warm up games.......he fell foul to the quota system I suspect...........given the poor selection of Geduld.

Whitehead has been playing 13 and is a quality player but has lost the clout he showed two S15's ago.

I was impressed with Williams this year in the CC, he looks a good prospect who can play 12 or 13.

Jordaan was exposed physically last year at centre, so should not be considered there......they need to play him on the wing  
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
23 Nov 2013, 15:49
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23 Nov 2013, 15:49#19
 Frans was one of only two players that stood up to the Brumbies in that slaughter, yet he was singled out as the weakness. Yet more bias. Look at the stats, he secured the second highest metres of all Sharks players in that game. It was complete lunacy that he was dropped, and to add to the madness, the hapless Plumtree chimed in! Frans will play 12, certainly not 13 and he will shine. Though the team needs to evolve from Lambie. Now that's a big issue.
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