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Jake White trying to be guilt free after walking out on Brumbies

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 06:23
#1
20 Oct 2013, 06:23#1

Jake White has defended his decision to walk out on Super Rugby's ACT Brumbies after being upset at missing out on the Wallabies' top job. (such a big ego )


White took the Canberra-based side to the final of the southern hemisphere competition this season and had two years left on his contract but quit abruptly last month to return to South Africa where he has been appointed director of rugby with Durban's Sharks.

White had been in the running to succeed Robbie Deans as head coach of Australia after the New Zealander was moved on in the wake of the British and Irish Lions series loss, but former Queensland Reds coach Ewen McKenzie was preferred despite having no experience at test level.

White, who guided the Springboks to the 2007 World Cup win, told Fairfax media he had become "disillusioned" with the Brumbies job after being overlooked for the Wallabies. (poor Brumbies - White had ulterior motives from the start tsk tsk tsk he was just using the Brumbies to land the Wallabies coaching job hehehehehe come clean JW - it is very therapeutic)

"I told the Brumbies, I was feeling disillusioned with where my career was going in Australia," White said in comments published on Friday.

"And who says I can't coach Australia after the World Cup? I've not turned my back on Australia."  (This post says otherwise JW)

"I don't feel guilty at all about wanting to chase an international dream, players do it all the time."?????? (sorry I may have misunderstood - u leaving Brumbies is the same as players chasing international dream????)

White, who helped turn the Brumbies from cellar-dwellers into contenders in his two years in charge, said he had felt "heartsore" to leave. (hear that Beeno - he was heartsore - what does that mean? I can't stop laughing)

"I know that in my heart I did my bit and I gave my 100 per cent and there was no malice or skulduggery," he said.

"The bottom line is I just wanted to move on. Families allow family members to move on. It happens. A lot of the guys I've spoken to, they all understand why it had to happen." (I thought it was because of your big ego? - how low do you have to go to put a spotlight on your undeserving family and putting undue/unwanted attention on them?}

White's walk-out left the Brumbies with two caretakers in charge in assistants Laurie Fisher and former Wallaby Stephen Larkham. The club has little prospect of finding a replacement from outside the club with pre-season training already under way. (so sad)

White will return to Canberra in May when the Brumbies host the Sharks.

"I will enjoy it," he said. "I'll catch up with a lot of my friends (acquintances - Yes, friends - I doubt it)  that I've got in Canberra. It's not like I'm sitting here in trepidation thinking I'm going to have to go back to Canberra," he said. (something tells me it is the opposite and hence this post)


Jake 2 things

1. Be upfront

2. Give plenty of notice


What you did is wrong, END OF STORY.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 08:06
#2
20 Oct 2013, 08:06#2
@hakwa san,

i could not possibly agree more. the ego on this guy is just repulsive,

but we all know that throwing ur toys and crying is very common in SA when things dont go ur way,

i hope white gets the Boks job after the All Blacks win the 2015 RWC, cos then we dont have the worry about the Boks for another 4 years, the same way were not worried abot the Boks now,
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:31
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20 Oct 2013, 10:31#3
 I hope he gets his wish and becomes the new Wallabies coach - imagine 2 Boks Teams - one in Aussie and one in SA both playing minimalistic negative rugby at it's very best.
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:54
#4
20 Oct 2013, 10:54#4
 Brumbies 30-19 Highlanders (Away)Brumbies 23-30 CrusadersBrumbies 20-13 Blues (Away)Brumbies 30-23 Hurricanes
Final = Chiefs 27-22 Brumbies
3 out of 4 against NZL opposition in pool play (2 in NZL) and never once disgraced with biggest loss being 7 points by Crusaders. Jake had a taste for the Kiwi's with his "minimalistic negative rugby". Its a pity home ground adv was enough to tip the scales in the Chiefs favour because Brumbies looked the goods.
Hell, Jake should have friends in Canberra. He put them back on the map. Now I will get one of you post his record against the Ab's over his tenure (forgetting he was a world cup winner) but what you want concede is the condition Jake took over in and what he was working towards. Its a pity they ousted him in 2008 so he could not be at the helm and reap the rewards of his efforts in Dunedin in 2008 and 3 times in 2009. That was Jakes team, that was Jakes plan and he took the Boks from nothing to a great team in 4 years! He brought all that talent through that PDV took the credit for. PDV would never had achieved what Jake did. 
I say bring Jake back to Bok rugby. He will take us to the top again!Mind you, Meyer is no idiot and he has a plan too. Pity Morne couldn't put the ball thru the posts and Romain Poite was incompetent.
Brumbies can just be thankful they have a platform to work with now. He left Brumbies rugby in better hands than he received it, just like Bok rugby. Thats all one can ask of a coach!
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Oct 2013, 10:58
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20 Oct 2013, 10:58#5
 ps..Great to see the Kiwi's discussing a great South African coach..Do you want us to discuss Graham Henry or Steve Hansen? Nah, not much threat those two..Both the same. Play the same guys from 20 years old to 35 and just hope that in 8 to 12 years they can win a world cup..Bound to happen sometime ey boys...
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Oct 2013, 11:06
#6
20 Oct 2013, 11:06#6
Jake White has a big ego and is unreliable.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Oct 2013, 12:44
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20 Oct 2013, 12:44#7
 I agree about Jake being an arsehole, But Sas, your sweeping statement about the character of South Africans in general is insulting. Your further delusions of grandeur about your team isn't even funny any more. Your team is good, but I suspect you might be just un gracious a loser like you are a winner.
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Oct 2013, 12:56
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20 Oct 2013, 12:56#8
 Sas is a knob man...He is the worst of the kiwi posters by a long way as he uses every opportunity to take a dig at South African's and he can never see a fault in any of the AB's. Player for player he will tell you why they better than the Boks. ed..He will tell you Retallick is better than Etzebeth, Mealamu is better than Du Plessis, Nonu is better than Jean and so on! He talks like his word is gospel but its always the same shit..yabba yabba yabba, Boks are boring and useless, yabba yabba yabba AB's are the business. Never seeing any fault in them like the fact that their tries in Ellis park came by shit defence or SA's mistakes and NZL were always in control in Dunedin last year. It had nothing to do with Morne fluffing about 9 kicks at goal.
He thinks he is being clever about his digs at the Boks but it is blatant. He thinks no team in the world deserves to run on the field with them..He's mal bru!
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Oct 2013, 12:57
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20 Oct 2013, 12:57#9

 "But Sas, your sweeping statement about the character of South Africans in general is insulting. Your further delusions of grandeur about your team isn't even funny any more."

 

 

It's been noted.

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:00
#10
20 Oct 2013, 13:00#10
 Whats his excuse for SA putting 4 tries on them and Aussies putting another big score on them last night...3rd game of the year where Aussies have done the majority of the playing but defence has let them down in a big way. Had Foley not dropped that ball in the 79th min last night it would have been 41-40!
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:04
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20 Oct 2013, 13:04#11

 "Brumbies can just be thankful they have a platform to work with now. He left Brumbies rugby in better hands than he received it, just like Bok rugby. Thats all one can ask of a coach"!

 

 

Well said!

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:10
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20 Oct 2013, 13:10#12
white as a Bok caoch

winning percentage - 66%
vs All Blacks - 33%
vs wallabies - 54.5%
vs france - 25%
vs england - 71.4%
vs ireland - 50%
vs wales - 100%

so this is whites very unimpressive record as a Bok coach,

like i said, i hope white gets the Boks job after the All Blacks win the 2015 RWC, cos then we dont have the worry about the Boks for another 4 years, the same way were not worried abot the Boks now,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:15
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20 Oct 2013, 13:15#13
@siones imaginary unles BFF,

" ps..Great to see the Kiwi's discussing a great South African coach..Do you want us to discuss Graham Henry or Steve Hansen?"

OMG, the only thing weaker then that threat is the Boks,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:26
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20 Oct 2013, 13:26#14
@judge draad,

throwing a tantrum when things dont go ur way is very common in SA, ive been here long enough to know that there are 4 saffa posters who dont play the ref card after every loss from a saffa team.

then u have the facebook petitions started by saffa to get rid of referees.

then the ever classy piet van zyl who attacked a ref only for McCaw to give hima hiding, and that old ass clown in loftus who threw a bottle at kev mealamus head after the bulls lost to the brumbies.

throwing ur toys around like a little bitch as kid cos u didnt win is how i see the average saffa rugby fan, there is a small minority, but the evidence of how the vast majority carry on is very accurate per my summary.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:36
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20 Oct 2013, 13:36#15
I think my good friend saSUE   doesnt quite get it dispite boklogics excellent summary. Jake had built a side to rule world rugby then got tossed out for a lunatic like ou pdv!. His great team never reached the hights it would have had he been kept on board. What would Whites winning record have been against the abs had he stayed on with the team he built!The abs are fortunate they never had ou pdv as coach!

But here we deal with the old problem of analysing things purely from the scoreboard perspective and we are stuck there given the limitations of certain oaks. Nevertheless we try our best to open their minds and lead them on to truth. Think Hakwa and JW excellent oaks but oaks of course!!!
But lets not get bitter or heated about this and saSUe's chest beating. saSue  is a most entetaining psoter with his deusions about storming Ed etc Hahahahahahah. 
Its fun to hear the chest beating kiwi bird brains going on like they do!! In the best traditions of the game. Hahahahhahaha and you know what - the writiing is on the wall.
Kiwis the Mighty Boks were born to rule and its on the way!
I also think saSUE was upset that Master Jake schooled sir john and sir graham. These two boneheads combined couldnt out think Master Jake.   
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:53
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20 Oct 2013, 13:53#16
@beeno1 aka storminged,

2012
blues 30 vs brumbies 16

all the brumbies needed was a bonus point to make the finals, they lost by more then 7 and could only score one try.

and then theres dave rennie and wayne smith, the duo who has an incredible 2 spXV rugby titles in two years.
jake white has never beaten them, prob due to the fact he was too busy making plans to shaft the brumbies,

errrrrrr BTW brother beeno, how many super rugby titles has white won???
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
20 Oct 2013, 13:58
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20 Oct 2013, 13:58#17
"I agree about Jake being an arsehole, But Sas, your sweeping statement about the character of South Africans in general is insulting. Your further delusions of grandeur about your team isn't even funny any more. Your team is good, but I suspect you might be just un gracious a loser like you are a winner."
100% agree with Ddraad.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Oct 2013, 17:02
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20 Oct 2013, 17:02#18
 Sas, thinking like that is the reason things like apartheid and the holocaust happens in the world. Justify away, it's been done before. Like I said the wheel turns. Lets see how gracious you are after playing second fiddle a couple of years.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
20 Oct 2013, 17:45
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20 Oct 2013, 17:45#19
 At least SAs gives other teams their due when they play well ,have a look at your mate beaner who has never been gracious or intelligent enough to acknowledge A NZ win .No matter the score or whoever is playing its allways the refs or some such rubbish .And he constantly puts down Kiwis so have a bit of a look at your own .And It is quite revolting the constant droning and whining about Refs , and its starting to become de riguer to attack refs both verbally and physicaly at even the junior level ,after all its what every one else does isnt it ? [ 2 weeks ago my brother had to step in when some hillbilly parent started hurling abuse at my 12 year old nephew for scoring a try and then the young ref for awarding it , lucky for him my sister-in-law was there to keep my Bro in check .And this is a common occurence ] 
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 18:26
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20 Oct 2013, 18:26#20
@judge draad,

each to their own i guess, but like i said, i dont paint all saffa with that brush, but the vast majority a bunch of crybabies.

facebook pages, piet van zyl, throwing bottles at kevens head, cyber attacks on messams son, all aprt and parcel of how SA fans react to losing

after the eden park test, it was widely insinuated that bismarcks red card was the only reason for the Boks defeat, and barely after the ellis park All Blacks win which was done with 14 men on.
only a few folks here were gracious in defeat, while the rest went AWOL.

i always give teams their due, i can remember hwen the All blacks lost to england last year, nearly every kiwi here gave the english their props, with more then few comments from the locals saying good on us for congratulating the better team.

now i dont expect u guys to congratulate anything, cos i believe each to their own, but could it be u folks here just dont like the ugly truth about Bok rugby which i ahve no problem kicking over???
the truth aint pretty,a nd the reality is simple, All Blacks winning trend will continue for at least another 6 years easy, we may drop the occasional game here and there, we might even have get a whitewash like we got in 09, but the writings on the wall, and it clearly says the All Blacks are going to be No1 for a long long time,

i dont know why folks just dont blog their 2 cents like mikey does, he has a lot of criticisms about the All Blacks especially their senior players, but i take it with a grain of salt, of course it helps that the All Blacks are still winning,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Oct 2013, 18:35
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20 Oct 2013, 18:35#21
@warhammer,

brother beenos an ok guy, one of my fave saffa bloggers with his inability to take anything serious and let it wear him down.

u will never hear him admit the All Blacks are the best, cos then he would die, so instead he comes up with cryptic posts like, the Boks won in ellis park, just lioke they won in dunedin,

he is also very apt at getting under the kiwis skin which he loves to do, and i can relate to it, cos my favouriute pasttime is fishing for saffas, lolz


in saying that, while i do troll, i do think saffa fans are the biggest crybabies around, not all, but the vast majority,
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Oct 2013, 22:56
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20 Oct 2013, 22:56#22

 Sasue not disappointing as always. Just not getting it too as always.

 

Jake took over a team with no direction. They were hammered in the world cup and we had guys like Jorrie Muller, Dale Santon, Pierre Uys and other no names hanging around!

 

Jake had to take a wing and a fullback and make them a world class centre pairing. All of this whilst fighting political pressures and quota selections.

 

Sasue loves to shout of stats but just like he says I know nothing about NZL rugby, he knows even less about SA rugby. Maybe he should read Jakes book instead of Henry's book where it will explain that the team basically selects itself as it has done for years and he still needed 8 years to win a world cup (should not even have won then) but Jake came in, had a mountain to climb and is 1 from 1 in world cups.  He also won the tri-nations in his rookie year so that is the only stat you need to know. Jake white 100%, Graham Henry 50% at world cups.

 

Graham had the players at his disposal and in auto drive. Jake didnt. Henry coaches the Argies to record losses against SA and Aus, Jake would not have. Henry would never have turned the Brumbies around like that. They are not comparable!

 

Regarding Jake and the 50% vs Ireland...Didnt the Irish score a try when John had his boys in a huddle? Who was the ref that day. Paul Honiss I think was his name. Where was he from??

 

No matter what anyone says, Hansen and Henry do not have half the rugby brain Jake White has. Jake white took scraps and built an empire that PDV broke down. Henry and Hansen inherited a core group of players and took them 8 years and a farcical tournament to win a WC. Thank god you guys could pull the strings as it was at home. Imagine the WC was in Japan or something. You guys would still be waiting. Probably another choke in the quarters.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2013, 23:24
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20 Oct 2013, 23:24#23
 Great post Boklogic. saSUE  sans the san is being well schooled. Can we hope for any progress is the question. Once one moves away from the score he seems lost
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Oct 2013, 01:44
#24
21 Oct 2013, 01:44#24
 Sasu, you can't let them walk away with that smug look on their faces can you? 
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becsPro4,378 posts
21 Oct 2013, 13:47
#25
21 Oct 2013, 13:47#25
 Well, I was a tad surprised to hear he was expressing an interest in the upcoming vacancy at a certain French Club with the initials CA whilst I was watching the HC this weekend !! There was rather a discussion about it......
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Oct 2013, 15:07
#26
21 Oct 2013, 15:07#26
 Is Jake White a mecenary? or is he a nacissist of the highest order?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Oct 2013, 15:51
#27
21 Oct 2013, 15:51#27
Yep rumour is he wants the Clermont job.......speaks volumes for his desire to leave Oz to be near family in SA.......hell family is in CT and he is working in Durban........good old Jake  
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becsPro4,378 posts
21 Oct 2013, 16:03
#28
21 Oct 2013, 16:03#28
 I was a bit confused when I heard that, I must say !!

Hakwa.....maybe it's both ? Perhaps you could write a thesis on it ?
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
21 Oct 2013, 22:51
#29
21 Oct 2013, 22:51#29
 He wants to be closer to family. Not in their pockets. Durban to CPT is an up and down flight. You can go for the day!
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
22 Oct 2013, 02:28
#30
22 Oct 2013, 02:28#30
 Yes, you've convinced all of us Boklogic with that explanation 
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
22 Oct 2013, 03:31
#31
22 Oct 2013, 03:31#31

 I dont need to convince anyone about anything. Jake has his reasons and I for one do not believe that being closer to his sons was all he based his decision around. It was probably one of the many motivating factors that lead to his decision.

 

John Smit had a lot to do with that. I still believe him and John are gona take over Bok rugby in years to come.

 

All I was saying is that he said he wants to be "closer" to family so he can see more of them or they are more easily accessible. He never said I want to be in Cape Town cuddling them to sleep. For the Kiwi's outh there that have never left their island, Cape Town is a whole lot closer to Durban than anywhere in Australia. He can visit CPT for a day or short weekend. Not nearly as easy as from Aus.

 

Everyone is trying to rip the man's decision apart and disect it but at the end of the day, he came in, sorted Brumbies rugby out and he moved on to something else he wanted to do. Nothing is cast in stone. Jake doesn't come to your house and tell you what to do in terms of work or where to apply next or disect your decision to leave a job. He does his own thing. Just like that prick SBW that Kiwi's love to love! He is in demand and he does what he wants to do. Jake is in demand and he does what he wants to do. Just like SBW doesnt need to give anyone (least of all South African's) his reason for doing something, Jake white does not need to give anyone anymore than he has to in terms of reasoning especially Kiwi's.

 

Why do our players ie. Bizzy and co and our coaches worry you so much. Aren't you guys happy to be the "world's greatest" you so like to think you are? I will disect Henry and Hansen for you. Shit coaches that have a core of players that drive themselves. Both men would not have achieved half what Jake achieved with the Boks had they had to face the politics and the lack of direction and players in Bok rugby in 2004. They are just the guys there to select players that select themselves and be the face of a winning team. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Jake is a legend and one of the only real coaches in the true sense of the word right now. All Hansen has to do is keep his boys fit, make sure the core play most the game and stick to the game plan. Jake has had to discover talent, nurture it, gain the respect of his players, invest in them and at times, change a players position. That takes massive trust and confidence.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
22 Oct 2013, 10:49
#32
22 Oct 2013, 10:49#32
 sorry to point out the obvious to you Boklogic, BUT how good a coach Jake is and the distance between Cape Town and Durban has NOTHING to do with the article.
The article has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Jake walked out of the Brumbies without giving them prior notice to get someone else. He walked out on them when they needed him most - I have a feeling it was planned to spite the ARU but I am thinking from the tone of the article that it is backfiring in a manner that Jake did not expect. The tone was more of a whimpering/grovelling type than anything. One of the characteristics of a Nassicist is lack of insight and I do not think Jake has any, judging from that article. AND yes I am being kind.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2013, 12:22
#33
22 Oct 2013, 12:22#33
Back firing? Last I heard jake is Director of Coaching at the Sharks definitely an upward move from being brumbies coach. And of course he is nearer his family - only a couple of hours away - both ways - as hahahahakwa, his family can also visit him.Watch the Sharks begin to flourish.

Please pay closer attention to Boklogic hakwa .
Thanks

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2013, 12:24
#34
22 Oct 2013, 12:24#34
 Scandalous how some oaks are throwing mud at possibly the best coach aroud these days. Hakwa needs to up his game. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
22 Oct 2013, 14:12
#35
22 Oct 2013, 14:12#35
 Beeno, I look forward to see Jake and the Sharks next year. Hope he finishes his Term with the Sharks and does not blame those couple of hours away from his family as the reason for resigning without warning from the Sharks.
The article does suggest Jake is VERY desperate to be liked.
Hakwa as usual being objective and fair.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
22 Oct 2013, 15:28
#36
22 Oct 2013, 15:28#36
 There was also that thing about him wanting to be the next Coach of Argentina.....and now Phelan has resigned. Hmmmmm
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
23 Oct 2013, 10:33
#37
23 Oct 2013, 10:33#37
 The "look at me, look at me" syndrome. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Oct 2013, 12:20
#38
23 Oct 2013, 12:20#38
 Hawkwa thi thread is morescandalous than your norious katie thread.Becs I trust you are not siding with hahahahakwa on this one. Hakwa likes to laze on the beach and catch a wave - very occassionally when he has a rare burst of energy. Jake though is a go getting sort of guy, wants to get to the top - so its difficult for hakwa to understand him.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
23 Oct 2013, 12:55
#39
23 Oct 2013, 12:55#39
Katie told me to tell you to tell Jake to climb one mountain at a time and not to climb ALL the mountains at the same time. Katie says that is the only way to get to the top. She should know - she is dating someone whose Team is  Number One in the world.
Hakwa always willing to give advice on how to get to the top
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Oct 2013, 13:10
#40
23 Oct 2013, 13:10#40
hakwa we all know how the abs got to the top and that is the problem. So no please dont pass on that sort of advice. Kate of course agrees with me totally.
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