Jake White - Willemse is my Springbok flyhalf

The following from News24:-

"Former Springbok coach Jake White has identified the Stormers’ Damian Willemse as the flyhalf who can spearhead the Bok backline in the coming years.   White, who led the Boks to World Cup glory in 2007, expressed his opinion via a column for the All Out Rugby website.

Mozart

As per normal the stupid comes through again.   Van d er Westhuizen was not a speed merchant and neither was Pretorius and definitely not James either,   His choice at the Sharks was slower than slow - Fransie of all people.

Your dribble can only be regarded as small-minded pettiness and BS    

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Mozart

As per normal the stupid comes through again.   Vaab er Westhuizen was not a speed merchant and neither was Pretorius and definitely not James either,   His choice at the Sharks was slower than slow - Fransie of all people.

Your dribble can only be regarded as small-minded pettiness and BS    

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I could be wrong, but did Jake White not called on Eddie Jones to assist him with coaching of the Springbok backline? .... that is why Jake turned Allister Coetzee into a  'cosmetic' coach. If that is true, then Jake's opinion on Willemse does not carry much weight.

White and backline competence - blaas my siel - this must be two words impossible too reconcile.  Definitely a joke that one.   

No - I merely study what happened in practice and then unlike you make an objective assessment.  In White's case he had a mixed bag - won the 2004 Tri-Nations without showing much iro backline play - was bad in 2006 showing zero iro backline play.  

Then got Eddie Jones who was told by the players themselves tha t he has taught them things they never heard before - inclusive of White,   Went through the WC with the help of Eddie Jones.

Then went to the Brumbies - where the backline and attack coaching was done  by  Larkham.   From there went to the Sharks - where the 2014 Rugby Championship ended in disgrace and got fired because of among others backline coaching  deficiency,

Enough said.           

Willemse is a class player. I say give him a Bok Jersey. I mean The Boks for years have had failed experiements at flyhalve. Abs have the best in the world atm. I Think Willlemse could be a world beater. He seems the kinda player who thrives in a challenging environment. 

From what we've seen so far, he is undoubtedly the best of the sorry lot.

Making the step up to test level is another story. I would give him a shot though. 

CC

Welcome  back - we were seriously missing you 

Problem with your logic Mozert. IS by 2009 the new law variations were brought in. Which suited a more expansive game. In 2009 Boks utilized a more kick chase gameplan. By 2011 the law variations suited NZ expansive game more. Boks seemed more dominant with the tight five play. And Morne kicking penalties. So I am not sure Boks scoring more tries happened post 2009.

Mozart

Stop the rubbish - Eddie Jones influence in the 2007  WC increased the try-scoring - especially by backline players.   For the rest try-scoring by backs were few and far between.   The mere presence of Jones showed that even White did not trust his own ability to coach backline players.   

Mozart

Stop the rubbish - Eddie Jones influence in the 2007  WC increased the try-scoring - especially by backline players.   For the rest try-scoring by backs were few and far between.   The mere presence of Jones showed that even White did not trust his own ability to coach backline players.   

Jaco was very fast ou maaaikie are you blind or just plain daft! Noi more BS please ou maaaai kie

Willemse has moved ahead of the pack judging by his Cape Town performance. He appears to have it all. Lets see how he goes. He must at least be included in the squad Rassie picks.

Beeno

Look at White said about the issue of speedy flyhalfs.    Van der Westhuizen was one of his flyhalfs and he seemed to ignore him in his comments.    

Mozart

I checked the 13 tries scored by the Springboks in 2004 - as per normal your figures are inaccurate of the 13 tries 8 was scored by backs and of those one was a hattrick of tries by Joubert in the Pretoria test.

It was during a period when the Springboks had some superiority up front, with a settled backline with Barry and Joubert as centers and De Villiers playing on the wing and the backline tries had more to do with individual brilliance and very little to do with backline coaching..  

Now answer me one question - why did the players said in 2007 that Jones taught them things about backline play which none of their coaches has never even mentioned before and that include White.   

It will only be morons who regard White as a good backline coach.  He never was and n ever will be. 

Quota player in the making.

Almost impossible to quantify the value Eddie Jones brought to the 2007 Bok backline. However, I know that after it became public knowledge that SARU refused to give Jones any official recognition, the Bok backline discussed this and Brian Habana gave his Bok blazer to Jones.... a wonderful gesture. 

I am sorry about that one, but definitely not about the fact that  I have stated with very good reason that White was clueless about backline coaching.   

Mozart

There is no way that White did not flop as a backline coach when coaching the Sharks and Montpellier.  So if you do not appreciate that you must really be blind.  

That was the main reasons why he was fired by the Sharks and Montpellier did not renew his contract.   

White won the World Cup. That to me speaks of a success story.

Whatever was needed to achieve this was brought in. Coetzee was the backline coach ... not White ... so lets not cover up the incompetence of Coetzee ... let's not blame White for the quota's inabilities.

White won the World Cup ... on his first attempt ... unlike Henry who failed at every attempt and in the end had to get someone to hand it to him out of pity .