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Jantjes should start for Stormers

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2013, 16:41
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25 Feb 2013, 16:41#1

MARK KEOHANE writes the Stormers coaching staff must persist with Elton Jantjies and the Bulls must play Jan Serfontein.

Jantjies did not play any of the Stormers pre-season matches because of his father’s death three weeks ago and his performance did not betray the turmoil of what he has had to endure (As noted by the compassionate Beeno). His mind is understandably burdened and he showed the hesitancy of a player lacking in game time. He will get better but he can only do so if he plays.

Peter Grant is back from Japan this week, but it would be unfair on Jantjies to start Grant. Jantjies is an outstanding goal kicker and his failure at Loftus was not consistent with what he has produced in his Super Rugby career, which before Saturday’s match was an 80 percent success rate (PLEASE NOTE ONE EYED OU MAAIK). His goal kicking, in particular, suffered at Loftus as he failed to convert four successive attempts at goal. It won’t easily happen again. (Exactly my point which some bleaters could not come to grips with!!!!)

Joe Pietersen was introduced to provide a secondary goal kicking option and immediately succeeded with a touchline conversion and added two more successful kicks. It proved insufficient on the night.

Lions imports Jantjies, Jaco Taute and Pat Cilliers must have felt they were in familiar territory as the Stormers failed to get going in the first half and the feeling of defeat would have been all too familiar. It will change for all three players and for the Stormers who will win more this season than they will lose. (Not according to some chest beating guppie blowhards! Hahahahhahahahaha)

The Bulls were deserved winners, courtesy of their pack (Hence Mike my focus on the pack and the key missing players etc). Jantjies’s goal kicking had an influence in the flow of the match but it is not the reason the Stormers lost. The pack was second in the primary set phases, both at the scrum and at the line out, and the backs, like the Bulls backs, were guilty of too much lateral movement.

Jantjies in the first 40 minutes got very little quality ball to work with and played most of the half on the back foot. The Bulls attacked his channel and the youngster’s defence on the night was not of the required standard. It was a poor start for Jantjies but scrum half Nick Groom was equally sluggish and was also done no favours by his beaten pack of forwards. (Sluggish and disinterested would be a better)

The more experienced Dewald Duvenhage, whose line kicking game is stronger than Groom’s should have been introduced earlier, although it was up front where the match outcome was determined.

Victor Matfield’s influence in disrupting the Stormers ball was obvious. Matfield’s presence, even though it is now confined to a coaching and technical capacity, is massive and a lot of teams are going to curse the fact that Matfield is back with the Bulls, even if it isn’t in a playing guise. There is no better exponent of the line out in the world and the Bulls master identified that Deon Fourie, for all his skill at the break down, can implode at line out. (It had zip all to do with matfield the mastermind. Fourie threw the ball way over the jumpers hands - it was poor throwing in. As usual wee matfield gets credit somehow where no credit is due!!!)

Fourie struggled with his throwing in against the Bulls and it affected his match contribution (Exactly!).

The Bulls pack was good and Pierre Spies, along with flyhalf Morne Steyn, prospered. Spies won the battle of the No 8s against Bok incumbent Duane Vermeulen, with the latter a victim of his tight five’s failure to dominate the hosts (Twaddle). Steyn’s tactical kicking was special (Agreed), as was his flawless goal kicking and he also took the honours against fellow Bok Jantjies, who was spared nothing on social forums and in the Cape media.

The Bulls backs lack the x-factor on attack and SA under 21 centre Jan Serfontein must be played sooner rather than later. He will give the attack that individual brilliance that unlocks defences. Collectively, against a defence as good as the Stormers, the Bulls never threatened or looked likely to score a try, despite an overwhelming first half possession advantage.

The Sharks tight forwards – and desperate defence – were the pillars of the Sharks victory in Bloemfontein. Cheetahs flyhalf Johan Goosen missed his first three kicks at goal but the Bok flyhalf, playing his first competitive match since August last year, also got significantly better as the game developed and centre Johan Sadie showed glimpses of the form that made him such an exciting prospect with the Stormers.

Pat Lambie, like Steyn at Loftus, excelled at flyhalf and was the beneficiary of his tight forwards’ dominant effort.

Tournament newcomers the Kings were huge defensively. They were brave and passionate and they fed off the emotion of their historic home debut. Luke Watson, in the first 30 minutes, led from the front before injury ended his night, his replacement Jacques Engelbrecht made a big impact, lock Steven Sykes was colossal, hooker Bandisi Maku was industrious and the midfield of Andries Strauss and Ronnie Cooke were composed. The night’s headlines went to 18 year-old winger Sergeal Petersen who scored two tries on debut.

The season will get significantly tougher for a Kings squad lacking the necessary squad depth, but already they have made a statement of what is possible if there is greater investment in the region.

The New Zealand teams were all-round the most impressive although they won’t always be able to play with a similar fluidity when confronted by the tougher and more physical South African forwards, especially when playing the Sharks, Stormers and Bulls in South Africa. (The nz fairies wont like being tackled for a change either. Bwahahahahahaha)

The Tahs were disappointing in losing to the Reds and the Brumbies clearly  are the best coached team in Australia and the best performing after two rounds.(Please note snapster!!) 

So Mike what do you say re Jantjes Super15 goal kicking record. Hope you will realise the error of your ways!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2013, 18:40
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25 Feb 2013, 18:40#2

Beeno

I normally don't take note of the coke writer - but am with him here.  Play Jantjies on Saturday  it would make the life of the Sharks so much easier.  

Jantjies is a 50-50  goalkicker when under pressure - and normally have great problems in crucial kicks unless they are straight in front of the posts and not furthe than 30 meters away.

A backline with Jantjies and De Jongh must really be the best things the Sharks can hope for.   Just think about the way they would run over Jantjies  in the pocket!!!!!!

KA
KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
25 Feb 2013, 19:02
#3
25 Feb 2013, 19:02#3

 This Marke guy is still suurgat from the time he got bumped and ignored.  Sometimes he will hit a nerve but mostly wiet hy nie wa van hy praatie.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2013, 19:07
#4
25 Feb 2013, 19:07#4

Greddie

You really are special  - keep it up.  I never take note of coke keo - and your description is 100% correct.

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
26 Feb 2013, 00:27
#5
26 Feb 2013, 00:27#5

Ha ha Mike, I sure hope you are right mate. I have been very quiet on this issue as I saw what Jean De Jongh (if he even starts) did to my boys in the Currie Cup final and all this negative hype around Jantjies might just come back to bite those nay sayers in the arse. If there are two players that CAN produce magic moments, it is Jantjies and De Jongh.

 

I don't rate Jantjies at all but I also know the man can leave you with egg on your face. If he pitches up on the night, he can get the backs going. Its all to few and far between but all he needs is Saturday night to be "one of those games" and Sharks will be in a serious battle! Matches between teams so evenly matched are often broken open by moments of magic and I just hope it comes from an Mvovo or Pietersen instead of Jantjies or De Jongh.

 

Only way for Jantjies to settle in is to be consistently selected. Faith needs to be shown. I just hope it takes him 1 more bad game until he settles in ;-) Jantjies has some good skills but I simply would not have him in or around the Bok squad. We have much better/more solid players with better temperament.

 

You know, those two misses that Jantjies had on Olivier and then JJ would have undoubtedly ending in 14 points for th AB's. The way they always have runners off either shoulder is second to none. That would have been Nonu running straight through before offloading to Conrad Smith or a Cory Jane and second one would have been Smith straight through Jantjies to link up with a Dagg, Jane or Savea..Bulls luckily are nowhere near the AB's in their support play. That is the biggest worry about a player like Jantjies. The fact that he did not even slow the players progress. He may as well not even have been there. Sharks need to send runners down the 10 channel like Alberts, Coetzee and co. Then when Jantjies is forced wider, out of the traffic as you do with a weak defender, then we need to go wide with Fransie and JP looking to break through the channel Jantjies occupies with runners blitzing through of both shoulders. Dont give Jantjies a moments break!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 02:55
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26 Feb 2013, 02:55#6

 Damn right the kid should start, he is a quality player and as Coetzee says, he can't be judged on his kicking as we know the lad has a proven kicking record.

CA
canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
26 Feb 2013, 03:07
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26 Feb 2013, 03:07#7

You start him. If he's any kind of competitor he will want the ball as well.

 

The problem is, If he continues to miss kicks, how long of a leash do youy give him?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 03:51
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26 Feb 2013, 03:51#8

 His kicking will come good. I think the poor lad is in a bad place at the moment with the loss of his father.

 

One should give him at least 3 games to sort the kicking out and that will not be an issue if you have a back-up like Grant on the bench

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 04:09
#9
26 Feb 2013, 04:09#9

Sharkbok

Jantjies and De Jongh combined is for the Sharks a match made in heaven.   Let me explain it a bit more. 

That try De Jongh scored in the CC final happened because of a couple of things.  First of all Catrakillis did not stand deep in the pocket and he ran straight and attacked the gain line himself drawing in defenders.   He then made an inside pass to De Jongh who ran a an angle and the defeders were caught by surprised and missed an easy tackle.  It can never happen with Jantjies as flyhalf.  First of all he stands too deep in the pocket and never attacks the gain line himself.  He nomally runs towards the inside center and that means the pass would be 5 meters further behind the gain line than was the case with the Catrakillis-De Jongh pass.   Five paces make a huge difference in lining up of defences - and that would be the end of the move in a maul and with De Jongh's charateristics may mean a loss of the ball in the process.  That selfsame move was tried out often by Jantjies on many occassions while he played for the Lions and it never worked out in their case.  Catrakillis used that move once as a surprise move and it worked out - Jantjies tried it on at least 5 occassions in each match and it was never successful.

The hype attached to Jantjies is massive - and he has developed an aura that he is a good player.  Yet most opposing teams read him all the time and he has serious attack deficiencies and worse ones in defence.   Bekker has used that defencive deficiencies in a game between the Lions and the Stormers in the Super 15 and so has a number of other teams - so there is no ways that the Sharks would not use it.  

I wrote extensively about Jantjies eslsewhere and that what happened on Friday was characteristics of his normal play being more glaringly in evidence.   There is no doubt tht the Sharks would not exploit his deficiencies to maximum advantage - and since it is inherent in the Jantjies game - he woukd never in fact made the required improvement. 

De Jongh has his own deficiencies.   He was a key to the dead backline syndroame of the Stoermers last season.   People talk about that CC final try - but it is a rare occurrence and in the 2011 and 2012 Super series and CC series De Jongh scored a total of 3 tries - the CC final try being the third one.   The only other two tries was in a game against the Rebels.   What people forget about is that De Jongh gives away penalties regularly.   In the CC final he gave away 2 - both converted by Lambie.   De Jongh's main problem is he has no real penetration and is mostly tackled back when he attacks the gain line.  He then hangs onto the ball in a maul situation developing stage - and  penalties are  often enough given away.  De Jongh's greatest  weakness is that unlike other small players he does not have ball sense that helps smaller players to succeed against bigger ones.

Sharkbok - having watched Jantjies and De Jongh in many games - I think they would be  easy meat for the Sharks.  Individually they are bad often enough - combined they would be catastrophic for the benefit of the Sharks.   I can't wait for that catastrophic combination to happen on Saturday - the Sharks would have a walk in the park with those two playng for the Stormers..  

 

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
26 Feb 2013, 04:33
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26 Feb 2013, 04:33#10

Saffex, would you not consider starting Jantjies but maybe leaving Aplon on the bench and starting Pietersen on the wing. (I mean Aplon has not done anything of significance to justify him having to be on the field). This way Pietersen can kick whilst Jantjies focusses on finding his feet in a new environment, can properly get over the death of his father and just concentrate on being the best 10 at the Stormers and getting the backline going. Any kicks infront of the poles that are a guaranteed 2 or 3 points must be taken by Jantjies so that he gets his rythm and clean striking back.

 

Once he is surrounded with confidence and positivity from coaches, players and fans as well as not having to be blamed for a loss if he misses a few kicks, I am sure his natural talent will them shine through and he can find the form that put him in Bok contention. Whilst he is shaking the rust and finding his feet, I dont think he should have the added pressure of goal kicking. Surely it will be of more benefit to the Stormers to have him playing with confidence.

 

I dont know, just a thought.

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
26 Feb 2013, 10:16
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26 Feb 2013, 10:16#11

in the words of women nizer aka coke ranger himself please let jantjies play :)

 

goal kicking is just a confidence thing but i sure he will get his bearings but to be frank witht he type of game pattern the stormers play for them to not have a reliable goal kicker is fatal to be frank. they dont have the game breaking ablity to break down defences and score tries at will. i understand he has some personal issues but then its up to management to get the choices right.

 

as mike said the sharks wont mind seeing de jong and jantjies in the team. aplon on his day can crack open a defence but needs space to do it of which there is none in the stormers backline

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Feb 2013, 13:09
#12
26 Feb 2013, 13:09#12

Welcome back Muncher. If Jantjes does play Joe will probably get the wing berth. Boklogic is correct to say that for now jantjes should have some pressure taken off him - let Joe do the kicking.

Aplon is a fading star. I would start with Grant and have Joe/Van der Heever on the wing and Aplon as an impact player in the last 30 minutes.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 13:38
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26 Feb 2013, 13:38#13

Yes I'd start Joe ahead of Aplon anyway. I'd still entrust Jantjies with the boot, but I'd emphasize the fact to him that his goal kicking is not what defines him. I'd encourage him to trust and believe in himself and go play his game. I'd entrust him to kick with the knowledge that if it goes wrong he is not to worry at all as Joe is there to take over.

 

In an ideal world with Jantjies back in form with the boot, I'd play Habana and v/d Heever as the wings

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 13:51
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26 Feb 2013, 13:51#14

As a Shark supporter - my first choice as an opposing flyhalf is Jantjies.  It was not only his goalkicking that went awry on Friday last - all the negatives constantly bubbling iunder the surface and surfacing when pressure is applied, were  glaringly clear and is bound to come to the fore in pressure games - and the Sharks will put him under pressure.

If the Stormers really want to show improvment in backline play - they must sent Jantjies back to the Lions asap.   On the one hand I hope he plays this Saturdsay - so that everything as to his weaknesses are highlighted again and then play Grant against th Chiefs.   The Stomers cannot afford losing three games in a row - they definately will lose on Saturday - the Sharks will make mincemenat of them with Jantjies and De Jongh  there to to destroy their own team's backline performnce. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 14:20
#15
26 Feb 2013, 14:20#15

Mike be a sport and kindly point out what the issues were with Jantjies game other than his poor goal kicking and that one miss on Olivier right at the beggining which involved some confusion amongst the Stormers defenders as was not a pure one on one miss

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 15:59
#16
26 Feb 2013, 15:59#16

Saffex

Easy to define the deficiencies of Silky Hands:-

1   Defence - missing tackles when players run straight ta him - always in every game

2.  Standing too deep in the pocket - similar to Morne Steyn.  Cannot launch backline attacking moves from there.

3.   Poor passing game - running 2 or 3 paces towards inside center before passing the ball - never attack gain line.

4.  Poor kicking  - strategic kicking too far for effective follow-up.   Line kicking with left foot chronically poor.

5   Kicking at goal when his team is under pressure.   Very good when there is no pressure - 50-50 otherwise.

One thing not in evidence on Saturday was his fielding of high kicks where pressure is applied by advacing players.   Silky Hands in the past made a complete hash of it or chickened out by never even attempting to catch such balls.

 

  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 16:13
#17
26 Feb 2013, 16:13#17

Oh boy your ignorance comes to the fore again - do you know anything about this game.

 

He missed a tackle, its called rugby, it happens

 

Where he stands at 10 is dictated to by the coach and the pattern they play. Its got stuff all to do with the player himself. There is merit in standing flat and equal merit in standing deep - it depends on your pattern of play and dictated to by the coach

 

Your take on his passing is bullshit, his hands and distribution is a strength - name an ocassion on Sat when this was an issue.

 

Jantjies strength is his ability to attack the gain line, he always looks to take a gap and is good at this, or attack and create something with clever use of his hands by creating opportunities for support runners. He never attacked the gain line on Sat, he just distributed which is fair enough in your first game having played no warm up matches.

 

His line kicking and positional kicking is always good as it was on Sat - you are speaking shit

 

His goal kicking is a strength, your crap about 50/50 under pressure is just a lie.

 

Fact is Jantjies did all the basics well on Sat, his out of hand kicking and distribution was good. He missed a tackle and his goal kicking was poor. A player is not defined by his goal kicking

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 16:44
#18
26 Feb 2013, 16:44#18

Saffex

You really are living in dreamland.  

Missing tackles happen - when it happens game after game it bcomes chronic and a problem.  Jntjies is no defender and analysing of his games show he cannot make tackles when players run straight at him.   It is not happening on odd occassions - it is constant.

Jantjies always stood too deep in the pocket to be effective in anything.   A player who does that type of thing constantly have NO BALL SENSE and cannot read games. Jantjies attacking the gain line - have you ever seen it happening - it may have happened a few times I missed - but is in fact totally absent from his games.

He constantly runs a few paces twords the center before passing the ball -people call those hospital passes you know.    That reminded me of the fact that Stranski called it manufactured passing - not instinctive at all..

Jantjies under pressure does miss kicks at goal - remember the sitter he missed in the Soweto test.   You will say it was a long-distance one - the first one was - the second miss was the sitter.  If under pessure he does miss kicks and that is a fact.

All of the issues raised by me are constantly present in all games in which Jantjies play - the biggest the pressure - the worse the response..

You obviously do not look at games objectively - and see things in your imagination that never ever happens on the field of play.

I have watched Jantjies now for a year and his performances was cold - with a occassionl lucky change.   I do not think he is a matchwinner - but he can also be a matchloser - as he was on Saturday.

Incidentally one match in which Jantjies played stood out in my memory.   It was the 2012 Super 15 match against the Stormers.   Jantjies buggered up so badly in all things listed above -  that he was replaced early in the second half with  the Stormers being leading big time.  After he was replaced the Lions backline was tranformed into an effective attacking force and they scored two maginificent tries.    That example should tell you something about Jantjies'role in the backline. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 16:48
#19
26 Feb 2013, 16:48#19

Ja Mike good one so a flyhalf that stands deep is one who has no ball sense - I have read it all now.

 

I really cannot compete with this bullshit.......it does rugby an injustice

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 17:27
#20
26 Feb 2013, 17:27#20

Saffex

Jantjies next flop will be on Saturday - so we can review the matter after that.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 17:27
#21
26 Feb 2013, 17:27#21

Saffex

Jantjies next flop will be on Saturday - so we can review the matter after that.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Feb 2013, 17:39
#22
26 Feb 2013, 17:39#22

And I'll be sure to inform my son that next time he stands deep at 10, it will be because he lacks ball sense!!!!!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 19:11
#23
26 Feb 2013, 19:11#23

Saffex

Misread and misunderstood as per normal.   You can stand deep in the pocket and display ball sense - but Jantjies is not a ball sense player and he cannot inititate substantial backline attacks.   Stranski summed it up perfectly - his plays are manuafactured not instinctive.

Next flop on Saturday is a certainty. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Feb 2013, 19:36
#24
26 Feb 2013, 19:36#24
Stormers set to stick with Jantjies for Sharks clash

Elton Jantjies had a shocker of a match with the boot against the Bulls


Stormers head coach Allister Coetzee says that even though last year's flyhalf Peter Grant has rejoined the Stormers they are likely to stick with Elton Jantjies for their match against the Sharks.


The Stormers lost their opening match 25-17 to the Bulls at Loftus Versfeld and while they were several factors for the loss Jantjies place kicking was one of their bigger problems.


Peter Grant, the Stormers' ace place-kicker, has finished his club rugby stint in Japan, and trained with the squad on Monday but Coetzee says that it's unlikely that Grant would start against the Sharks.


"As a coach I have to remain level-headed and I realise that (Friday's match) was not a semi-final or a final, and at this stage of the season there will be mistakes," Coetzee said.


"I'm happy to give players another chance, knowing that if they come up short again, there are other players to call on.


"Peter Grant could be playing off the bench because he still needs to learn how we play. We've changed a bit from when last he was with us."


"As for Elton, he cannot be judged on his place-kicking alone because he's a quality player."


Coetzee said that the Stormers can fix the problems that led to their 25-17 opening round loss to the Bulls and said a sequence of mistakes early in the first half had caused a ripple effect against the Bulls and the Western Cape side were unable to recover in their opening match of the campaign.


"We hate losing and it doesn't matter if we're playing away from home," Coetzee said.


"We were disappointed with the way we started the game and that's where we, in the final analysis, also lost the game."


"You will lose matches in this competition but on Friday the early mistakes had a ripple effect and thereafter we didn't get things on track again."


Coetzee said the Sharks, who beat the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein on Saturday, would make it difficult for his team to make major improvements in Durban on Saturday.


"The Sharks were really impressive against a good Cheetahs side, and one can expect them to lift them to lift their game because they're at home," Coetzee said.


"There are things that are fixable and we'll start with the obvious of kicking over penalties.


"Players need to take ownership and they will have to pitch with the necessary desire."


Fullback Jaco Taute has been ruled out of action this week after picking up an injury against the Bulls.


"Jaco is in hospital with a testicle injury and he's been kept there for observation as a precaution," Coetzee said.


He added that centre Juan de Jongh, returning from a hamstring injury, would have a fitness test on Tuesday before Coetzee made a selection call.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Feb 2013, 19:49
#25
26 Feb 2013, 19:49#25

i think coetzee is making the right choice if he does go with janties at flyhalf, despite him having a horrible game, that was more the flavour of the stormers for the week. what im saying is he played like shit, but who in the stormers wasnt??? habana, taute, bekker and vermeulen were all pretty solid, but everyone else was completely shit and it was a wonder that janties could get anything done at all.

i think they need to bring in devunage at halfback, grron dosent have the exepreince and more importantly the mental fortitude to lay a stable foundation for the halves pairing.

i also think they need to move allende who was much ado about nothing in the stormers game, janties made 8 tackles with two misses, allende made 3 tackles with 2 misses.
JDV is getting on in the years, but his experience was really needed for the stromers, especially when the 9/10/12 are a very new combination, a factor that no one has mentioned with janties demise against the bulls.

i alos think the comments on aplon are rubbish, he is filled with more xfactor then most players know what to do with, he is a must for that game.

my backline for their match against the sharks would be,,,
9 d devunage, 10 e janties, 11 b habana, 12 JDV, 13 j de jong, 14 g aplon, 15 j pieterson

 

no matter what anyone says, that backline has the goods to deliver, provided the old rugby adage is seen to first, the forwards winning or at least gaining parity upfront.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 19:55
#26
26 Feb 2013, 19:55#26

Sasue

As a Shark supporter I hope Coetzee picks Jantjies and De Jongh  -   Ilove that combination of inept players.

By the way a funny question - did you notice how highly rted the test rugby fantasy site rated Taute?   I think he got 341 points for the game on Friday.  If he was playing on Saturday he would be my first choice OB - something like Doppies in his case.  

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Feb 2013, 20:31
#27
26 Feb 2013, 20:31#27

@mikey,

i remember the 2011 CC when inept was not the word that shark supporters used on janties then, lolz :oP

im still trying to figure out how players are rated on that site, i remember jalapeno saying that there were plenty of people who disagreed with those sites stats, which is similar to foxsprt with certain individuals.

but all i know is this, ben smith was rated 310, jaco taute was rated 341, thats just fudged up. no matter how anyone tries to rationalise that to me, i am never going to change my mind about that rating being completely bullshit.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2013, 22:37
#28
26 Feb 2013, 22:37#28

Agree with you on the Test Rugby points allocation - but I need points urgentlyl and Smith and Taute will be my round 4 OB's

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