Jantjies a S15 destroying trade.

The Stormers are 0/2, but with a competent flyhalf and kicking display that could easily have been 2/0. In these tight games, the smallest mistakes can lose matches. Jantjies.....missed touch from a penalty....kicked a short aimless kick up the middle which led directly to a Lambie penalty.....got run over by Burden....kicked away turnover ball when he had numbers....totally confused Kolisi then threw a sudden pass a metre in front of him ....20 cms off the deck.

Nowhere along the line did he look like he was dictating tactics. His late "creative" passes confuse his team as much as they confuse the opposition. This was a terrible trade, it's time for Coetzee to accept that....if the Stormers were alert they could have seen these same patterns in last year's CC.

Schroeder is another calamity....he must have made 5 mistakes in his 10 minutes on the park....and Deon Fourie was leaking too many penalties.

 Mozart, please dont forget very early on in the game when Frans Steyn ran right over Jantjies. That was a pure and proper "bounce" in the true sense of the word.

Ha ha Stormers will get chewed up and spat out against the Chiefs if Jantjies takes the park. Not to worry though, I can almost guarantee that he will not be in the 10 jumper unless injuries or something like that dictate he must.

If Coetzee does play him, he is simply making the noose he is going to hang himself with!

Waiting for Saffex to give us his version of the great game "Earl Jantjies" had for the Stormers against the Sharks.

Going to make interesting reading I think.

This from Gavin Rich on SS...

"That being so, the Stormers played the right tactics in the first half, with Elton Jantjies standing up from his no show at Loftus in the first week of competition by producing a composed performance until he was replaced later by Peter Grant"

Arthur John, based on the above from a neutral, I'd expect Saffex to come hollering Jantjies praises.....why wouldn't he?.....I've yet to see the game but if he can sing Jantjies praises after a no show then I'd expect he'd religiously support Jantjies regardless.

 Has this Gavin Rich bloke ever watched a game of rugby before? Why would a guy who stood up and had a composed game have to be subbed so early on in the 2nd half?

Ha ha if that was Jantjies "stand up" performance and a composed game for him then the Stormers have bigger problems than we think. Maybe Jantjies should consider a change from rugby as its simply "not his game!"

Anybody listening to Gavin Rich insofar as Jantjies is concerrned must have his head read and stay on the couch for a week doing just that.   Rich is Jantjies' PRO and he will praise Jantjies to high heaven irrepective how badly he played.  

I have yet to find one reason why Jantjies is accptable.   Steyn did the logical thing once and that is running over Jantjies.   However, Steyn thereafter had a brain implosion and tried the same thing without success against De Allende repeatedly and failed every time.   In the process the latter crashballed and did not pass or off-loaded the ball    He was back to his play of 2012 in full force and was a negative insofar as attacking backline play is concerned.

Saffex will have a seizure - but the reason why the Storrmers bacbline misfired on Saturday was Jantjies and the reason for the same for the Sharks was Steyn. 

 Gavin Rich = Saffex they are actually Bowls players in drag who talk about rugby..

Now that I've watched a replay of the game it's clear to me that Jantjies...well....was, as ineffective as ever. Rich clearly must have been watching a different player to Jantjies. The point I was trying to make was that a neutral had said he was crap last week while Saffex instead thought he was great. I can also recall when several posters thought Spies was crap while Saffex thought he was great, it took him awhile to recognize that Spies was useless.

In time Coetzee will have to come to terms with Jantjies as a pretender who is out of his depth at a higher level.

Denny

It is really unbelievable how Jantjies got to where he is.  While he was at the Lions - the hype - especially by Rich week after week was unbelievable.   He really was not the player Rich wrote about in his articles and that carried through to other papers as well.   Meyer fell for the joke - but then realized what happened and is now slowly working towards getting rid of him from the squad.   The Stormers spent a fortune on Jantjies - I hope they have a performance clause in his contract.   Why the hell did they let Catrakillis go to the Kings and signed up Jantjies?

I said repeatedly in the past that the Stormers will get rid of Jantjies early and that he would not play for them by the end of March because they would have found out what he really is - an over-hyped useless player that makes the same mistakes all the time.

Ag Mike, you know, I know, the whole friggin world knows, South Africa is colour driven....so sad!

What did PDV say about Earl useless Rose?...."he's a special player"...ouch!!!

Take that cross kick which Jantjies put across for Aplon. It landed just inside the Sharks half.....that ball was a can opener. But both teams had a shot at the can. A slightly different bounce and it could have been Mvovo with the ball and 50 open metres to the line. That kind of kick needs to be made from much deeper in the opponents territory.

Lambie would have never made that kick, not because he didn't have the vision, but because he saw the risks.

Too much of what Jantjies does is "clever".....and not enough is fundamentally sound. By the law of averages eventually something spectacular will happen and his fans will be frothing at the mouth.....but in the meantime six games will be lost.

Yep I am with that man, much like I am with Andy Capistanio who correctly said Jantjies had a far better game this week, attacking the gain line, putting in some great kicks, had Aplon simply caught one it would have been 7 points to the Stormers.

Then there was that lovely touch to Jean that almost set him away.....that touch shows the magic in the kid.

Yes Frans took him out and I expect that from Frans. Jantjies dropped one simple pass, but for the rest he had a solid game.....no worse than Lambie or Goosen. Grant was no better when he came on.

 Jantjes was better but the jury is still out on his mental ability. I rate him after, Morne, Lambie, Goosen, Catrikillis and Grant. Jantjes still has the chance to move up this scale this season and its up to him. Had Grant started at Loftus we would have won.

The best flyhalf so far this season has been Morne but that of course this is at altitude where he knows the conditions so well.  Next Lambie and then Goosen. The most talented in my view is Goosen. Unfortunately Goosen has been through into the fray too early. I only hope he survives.

As painful as this is for me to say, Morne was our best 10 this weekend 

Saffex

Jantjies had a better game this week than last week?   He was piss poor last week - so he was poor this week.   It was only relative you know.  He still was clueless yesterday and was really awfully bad.   The Stormers will do well to send him back to the Lions asap. 

Every time I look at Goosen I keep seeing Gaffie. Playing for the Cheetahs is not going to help either.

Too much was made of Goosen too soon. He is on cloud 9 and must read what is said about him so he thinks he is the business and going to take the Boks forward.

At the moment, it seems like much a-do about nothing. He has looked very ordinary thus far and its a bad sign that he "disappears" when his team is under the kosh! I feel people have hyped him up too much and expecting something that is not there or nowhere close to being developed yet. No doubt he has skill and a bright future but at the moment he is simply not good enough. He does not tick all the boxes at the mo that a Bok flyhalf or any good international flyhalf should.

Lets forget that Australian game. There were too many factors in that game that no flyhalf could have failed in. Game was in Pretoria where Aussies hate it, the Aussie team was decimated by injuries, SA was calling for Morne to be dropped and to run the ball. Goosen had a licence to run. Anything less than a smashing of Aussies there would have been unacceptable. Lambie would have carved them up too and thats a guarantee. Aussies were nowhere and people thought it was Goosen's magic! No ways, he was never going to repeat that performance a week later in Soweto!

Goosen and Jantjies should do a straight swap right now and see how Goosen goes in a better team! We know Jantjies is useless now. I mean, we can blame the Lions but whats the excuse now?? Give up with Jantjies. Start bringing someone else through the ranks. Jantjies is hopeless!

 Fair amount of truth there BL. The simple fact is these youngsters have to learn their trade and earn their places.

Its a great pity Goosen didn't end up in CT. He could have helped the Stormers rediscover their traditions as a running team......while getting more exposure in big matches. For the Cheetahs every match gives the opponents a chance to cruise.

mozart....I stated late last year after the S15 was completed that Goosen has to move to a top flight team to develope to his full potential.

Yes the Cheetas play solid running rugby but mostly they are going backwards.

Goosen is wasting his time in that squad (unfortunately) it would have been great for him, rugby and the Stormers to see him playing in Cape Town.

Hannes Botha the Springbok flank in 1961/62 and a Free State player once mentioned that for any player to rise to his full playing potential he would have to move  and play for one of the top SA teams.

I just hope someone with some cash will buy him out of his contract and sign him up with either the Stormers or Sharks....before to long.

AJ it seems  hard on the Cheetahs and  Juan Smith and Os are exceptions I suppose, but for a flyhalf having talented players around him has to help development. 

Well Goosen had a solid enough game, so I am not sure what the issue is here? What in his display showed signs of Gaffie?

Lambie was no better than Goosen this weekend, playing in a winning Sharks side, he was actually a little disappointing