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Japan get 18 Super Rugby team in 2016

Started by Beeno112 REPLIES205 VIEWS· 24 Oct 2014, 11:47
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Oct 2014, 11:47
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24 Oct 2014, 11:47#1

Ex Suerpsort

Japan has beaten out Singapore as the preferred host for the 18th team in the expanded Super Rugby competition, governing body Sanzar said on Friday.

The southern hemisphere provincial competition will increase from 15 to 18 teams in 2016, with one team from South Africa and another from Argentina already awarded places.

Japan and Singapore were vying against each other for the last available spot with Japan getting the vote after a meeting of the South African, New Zealand and Australian Rugby (Sanzar) executive board.

"Compelling proposals were put forth by Japan and Singapore in what was a very competitive tender process and we thank both parties for their passion in sharing our vision to expand the competition to new fans, territories and commercial markets," Sanzar chief executive Greg Peters said in a statement.

"While ultimately edged out in this instance, Singapore presented a highly attractive bid and we will maintain a positive relationship with an eye to potentially working with them in the future.

"Following the Executive Committee's decision however, Sanzar will now work exclusively with the JRFU to finalise arrangements for their entry in to Super Rugby, subject to execution of the formal participation agreement."

The new format of the competition will feature two South African conferences, one of which will include the Asian team, and coincides with the renegotiation of the broadcasting agreements that financially underpin it.

The confirmation from Sanzar came just 24 hours after Singapore's bid team publicly conceded defeat to Japan, which has already been selected to host the 2019 World Cup.

The writing was on the wall for Singapore in July when Sanzar said geographic location was among the key criteria when shortlisting the two Asian bids.

Earlier this month, South African Rugby Union President Oregan Hoskins told reporters that Japan's bid proposal had been changed to include Singapore as a host for some of the matches.

It is understood Singapore would host up to four matches at their 55 000 seat, retractable roof National Stadium at the city-state's new $1 billion Sports Hub, although the format and number of games in the 2016 season is yet to be determined.

Media reports have also suggested Singapore could replace Tokyo as one of the host for the expanded IRB Sevens series in 2016.

The International Rugby Board is expected to announce the venues for the sevens series within the next few weeks.

Greg Series, the financial backer of the Singapore bid, said in a statement: "The news that the Japan team will play matches in Singapore is also welcomed, as knowing that they will need to invest in rugby in Singapore and South-East Asia in order to achieve that, is a consequence we warmly endorse, as this was a key and major component of our proposal."

© Reuters
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 12:02
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24 Oct 2014, 12:02#2

I just don't see how this is practical,


How are the fixtures going to work?  

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Oct 2014, 12:53
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24 Oct 2014, 12:53#3
 Its a complete mess. How can you afford to have so many team playing in so many time zones. It just doesn't make any sense. Further the pools are all skewed if you look at the original proposal
Both these new teams will be in South Africa's pool. Which mean other than the actual super rugby. SA teams will have to travel twice as far to go play agains these teams. 
I believe that they should go back to super 12 or even super 10. Create a second league where by teams automatically get relegated or promoted. Only the top 3 teams from SA, NZ and Aus get to stay but all the other teams get relegated to the lower league. 
If they went back to the super 12 then we would see fewer games but ran a super 8 competition in alongside it. 
Teams would play home and away in the super 8 comp. Meaning that all teams will have equal opportunity to qualify. Top 3 finishers from this group will go to super 12 irrespective of their country. 
Where as in the Super 12 (The main comp) Only the top 3 from each country will remain. The other teams will automatically be demoted without any play-off games. 
So if SA had 5 teams in the comp and all of the teams were at the bottom, then only 3 will remain, and if all of the NZ team finish in the top 5, 2 will still drop out to the lower tier. That would allow for emerging nations to compete and work their way into the elite ranks. 
So the super 8 will have 14 games, no semi's or finals
The super 12 will have 11 games + semi + Final. 13 games in total. 
For a team to get a second chance of remaining in super 12. The team finishing 10th from s12 can do a play-off game with the team finishing 3rd from S8. So if there was a NZ/Aus/SA team that finished say 8 on the log table but were the 4th ranking team of their country. At least they would get a shot to remain with out having to work their way back into contention.    

If you look at SA, Aus and NZ. All of our core players normally comes from the top teams. The other teams do have players but they are not always key. 
At the same time it doesn't that if a play is playing in the super 8 that they would not be selected for greater honours. 
But rugby is a team sport and it takes a minimum of 3 years to build a successful team. This normally happens from the junior ranks where the unions take the young players and bring them through. 
The only reason why the stormers and WP has done so well in recent years is because they have invested in their youth and now the started to come through. There under 21's won their age group league for a few years in a row which means these players know each other and have played. The same can be said of the reds. Each team go through a slump and some how manage to pick themselves up and start improving over time. So let the teams out of sort use the super 8 to get their game back on the road and then earn their spot. 
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Oct 2014, 13:07
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24 Oct 2014, 13:07#4
I lost interest in this competition when it became the S14 and it's just getting more ridiculous every year. They're diluting the quality of the competition while at the same time putting more of a physical strain on players already being pushed to the limits of exertion with the amount of rugby they need to play ever year. Can the whole boring thing, let's return to a proper Currie Cup and more test series.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
24 Oct 2014, 19:08
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24 Oct 2014, 19:08#5

...Bean Brain ,how does the saying go ?...be careful what you wish for...just remember it was the greedy dumbarse South Africans that pushed for this expansion otherwise they were going to pack up their toys and play in the NH...

...you make your bed and you sleep in it so you can forget whinging about any percieved hardship as they're all self inflicted...you'll get no sympathy here mate, sob yrselves to sleep like Oscar for all I care..

...no direct flight to Japan from SA either so bad luck....can hear all the excuses already about how it has affected the team' s performances.. 

...travelwise Singapore just across the water from Perth one would've thought would have been a better option than Japan ...could have had a great blend of Kiwis , Aussies and Saffas much like the Force...

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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
24 Oct 2014, 19:22
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24 Oct 2014, 19:22#6
 Money, Money, Money always rules.
Get with it guys.....this is what professional sport is all about.
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
24 Oct 2014, 19:25
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24 Oct 2014, 19:25#7
What a fiasco !
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
24 Oct 2014, 22:42
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24 Oct 2014, 22:42#8
When/if this flops financially it will be the only thing to turn it around from this ill-advised course.
Should have gone with a two tier structure, or somehow made the domestic comps (ITM, Currie and new Aussie domestic league) the play-ins for Super Rugby berths with yearly promotion/relegation matches. Look how the fresh blood rejuvenated the Lions.
Quality, not quantity.


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hakwaPro4,146 posts
25 Oct 2014, 01:46
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25 Oct 2014, 01:46#9
 Brycy, I don't think anyone is arguing with you
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Oct 2014, 07:30
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25 Oct 2014, 07:30#10
 I still  do not understand  how this is  going to work.   You have two countries having one team each - so will that team be equated to the national team side of the country?  In Argentina the answer is no - most of their test players are involved in the European competitions - so the team is likely to be made up of local players with a sprinkling of others coming in later in the tournament.
In the case of Japan - will the team be made up of contracted players from various clubs?  Will the clubs be prepared to release their players?   This has the potential of being the Japanese test side - boosted by foreigners playing club rugby in Japan.  Has the potential to spell a lot of trouble for all teams in the competition if that be the case.   
However, I have been opposed to this expansion from the start and think SA des not need 6 teams in the competition and that we can bring in Argentina into the mix rather - but Japan is a fa r eastern problem and if they brought them in - they should play in the NZ or Aussie conference.   
However, I think that the scheme would have IRB backing in an effort to boost rugby in Argentina and Japan  and nobody really knows what funding would be made available for that effort.
   
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Oct 2014, 07:52
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25 Oct 2014, 07:52#11
 Looks like there's gonna be a klomp kak games in the SA pools ......
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Oct 2014, 08:40
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25 Oct 2014, 08:40#12
 Thanks hacked waaaugh for explaing matters to my good but oft errant friend Brycy!
Was this mess all precipitated by the anc and it's desire to get the hapless queens into Super rugby? We all know their race based agendas.
It is getting absurd. I also note no Islander team has been invited. They remain humble rugby colonies of nz and oz and seem happy with this arrangement.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Oct 2014, 10:29
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25 Oct 2014, 10:29#13
 Blobbok
Kak in Capital letters - I am af raid.   The Kin gs was atroicuous in the CC this year ending up on the botton of the log.   Where will they get players from to improve their team?   
I am afraid this was a p[poltical decision - not a decision based on rugby.
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