Will also not be available for the Sharks in the S15 as he has decided to focus on his career in Japan.
Jaque Fourie retires from international rugby
One of the big mysteries for me is how he moved to Japan when he was at his peak and probably one of the best 13's in the world! The move effectively excluded him from playing for the Boks again. He wasn't that old either!
Anyway, I really liked him and lord knows the 13 spot has been a stuff up since he left. It still is!
I also liked Jaque Fourie in his day but it's obvious that he's stagnated as a player in Japan and he shouldn't really even be in the reckoning for the Bok #13 jersey. Damian De Allende, Paul Jordaan and Juan de Jongh are all better candidates right now . . . probably a few others as well that I'm forgetting.
As Bluebok said he ws good when he left for Japan initially - but playing rugby in Japan has serious avantages for players - not only the big bucks they earn - but it is considerably less demanding than oplaying in SA.
The reusltis that the players get "soft" - when playing there. When theyr eturn the signs are clear - they lost pace, they lost physical ability ad they get injured far too easily and theinjuries are normally serious.
Jacques Fourie looked defensively quite good last year - even thoug Davies (the Welsh centr) beat him twice on account of his speed deficiency. For the rest he was good in defnese - but uteerly useless in attacking play. That being the case - he probably after his altest injury realized that his days of international rugby is gone and that he must stay in Japan where his money would be earned in much greater quantity with much less effort.
In essense we have a serious problem at 13 - but I think it would have been a greater problem to play Jacque Fourie in that possition.
However, we should thank him for his services to Springbok rugby in the past and congratulate him for taking a decision that could only have possible results for the Springbok team of the future.
Bakkies set an excellent example - now followed by Fourie. We can only hope that the same honesty in self-assessment is followed by Matfield, Alberts and even Jannie du Plessis - since Meyer would enver take a decision to replace them. .
It is always sad when a player that has served South Africa well decides to retire, Jacques Fourie was a great player, but there comes a time when you have to pull the plug on an illustrious career, for me he was one of the best finishers in midfield, scored nearly a try every second match.
It is the honourable thing to do when you realise you can no longer benefit your team, he is making good money in Japan, and I thank him for his service.
Not to worry Blue ... we understand ... your having a bad day.
It happens.
The situation in Japan rugby was outlined by Richard Kahue in a discussion on the issue of playing riugby in Japan. He said that in Japan they play rugby in more relaxed environment and it is not strenuous to play twoo games a month.
The issue then turns to the physical deficiencies that develop in such a relaxed environment. Kahue - also a top class 13 in his hay day - came beack to the Chiefs in Super 15 and was nearly totally wrecked in one game - and he certainly was not physically up to Super 15 rugby anymore - leave alone test rugby.
I think what Kahue said is in fact a fair asessment of the situation. Peter Grant came back to the Stormers and virtually out for the season - he definitely was a much poorer player than he used to be before he left for Japan. Judged oon the rather invisible games for the Springboks and also his latest injury - Fourie du Preez's game performances and condition in Japan had also deteriorated. Pietersen lost srious pace playing there and his epformances at present is a joke in bad tatse. Frnacois Steyn was bad for the Sharks before his departure this year - what will he be like when he reurns after the Japanese season - probably even worse than he was this year and a disaster last year. My feeling for a long time has been that the players from Japan should be left in Japan and not b e inflicted on the Springbok team. That includes Du Preez and Bekker as well.
Few players from France are up to scratch as well.
Bakkies Botha, Bryan Habana, Frans Steyn, MOrne Steyn, they become less than the sum of their parts.
High time!!
Two down ... several to go.
You forgot about Fat Gurthro in your list. In the case Frncois Steyn you are correct - he left here weiighing 103 kgs and came back 118 kgs. He and Gurthro tried to destory the food suply chain in France and made a determined effort to make a serious impact.
All those frogs legs and escargot as startrs and followied by French loaf - has had a disastous effect on them. Fat - fatter - Fat test
Meyer is playing two inside centres as a combination stop gap until the return on Fourie. Now he has stabbed Meyer in the back by deciding to retire.
No you twat, he knows that he is not good enough for test rugby anymore...speaks volumes for useless Meyer who cant see it......hell the players themselves know like Bakkies and Fourie, but our idiot coach is away with the fairies.
Sharktwat, catch a wake up you ignorant man........do you know anything about rugby?
Much more than your flavour of the week Curry Cup players that you punt as Springboks who are not even good enough to be a standout at SuperXV level.
You have a new list of young fatties as Springboks candidates each week. Most of whom cant step or pass and catch.
Lets play crash ball Taute at outside centre you moron. No club is going to cough up any money like the 5 million that Jaque Fourie gets paid each year, for a loser like Jaco Taute
I would like to add this after reading Brendon Nel's article on Su per sport.
Over the past two years I often voiced my displeasure in regards to the fact that SARU has a policy in place of selecting overseas players.
Often I have been criticised for my stance in this regard, many suggesting that players leave for various reasons and they should not be punished for leaving when they want to make a better living for themselves.
I have always argued that a player who leaves have other priorities in mind and representing his country was not one of them, it was just a “nice to have option”
Heyeneke Meyer has digressed in my view as his reliance on retired and overseas players have become a mainstay of his plan to conquer the rugby world in next year’s edition of the Rugby World Cup.
He has held firm in his belief that players such as Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Ruan Pienaar, Fourie du Preez, Frans Steyn, Jacque Fourie, Bryan Habana, JP PIetersen and Morne Steyn had the required experience to benefit the Springboks in their lead up to the World Cup and also during it.
Truth be told, none of these players have been able to show the form of when they were in their prime, and many of them has become older, slower and have regressed in regards to their performances.
The best example of a player regressing and Heyeneke stubbornly holding on was Morne Steyn who could not even hold down the starting position at his French Club Stade Francais. It had come down to yet another poor performance in the Rugby Championship before Meyer reluctantly realised he could no longer hold onto his Metronome as Morne Steyn was simply no longer good enough, no matter how badly he wanted him to be.
Not sure whether I am even allowed to suggest I am pissed off about the newest revelations, but here goes.
Heyneke Meyer planned that Jacque Fourie would be the midfield partner for Jean de Villiers going into 2015. He put so much belief in the fact that Jacque Fourie would return, that he failed to develop a midfield combination that could be considered world class.
There is nothing wrong with the quality of Jan Serfontein, in fact he has done remarkably well considering he has been playing at 13, Jean de Villiers had a solid 2013, but as the years go by, players age and they lose pace and form.
Although the combination of Jean de Villiers and Jan Serfontein was mostly successful in defence, as an attacking combination they have not been very successful, they are two very similar players, and neither are very good distributors.
So now Jacque Fourie is gone, he has decided to retire from International rugby, and have negated any plans Meyer has had. Effectively leaving Meyer in a hole, as the midfield combination as it stands now, have failed to impress on attack, and when you add Jean de Villiers’ tendency to break the defensive line, it should be a concern to any Springbok supporter.
Meyer has now plucked the fruits of his labour, his reliance on players plying their trade overseas has once again bitten him in the arse.
When will SARU learn that the reality of the situation is once a player leaves, the negative outweighs any positives.
We are talking Japan you idiot.....one would swear they knew what they were doing when it comes to rugby?
One only needed to see Fourie this time last year for the Boks where he gained all of 13 metres in 4 tests and never beat a single defender or made a clean break
Salaam
The writer is making a classical error in logic. Its not the selection of overseas players that is wrong in principle it bad selection. Of course if there is an equivalent player at home pick him.
I cannot but laugh at CC so jaundiced - two down, several to go.
Despite some players being faster or more athletic, they still could not outperform Fourie. The best alternative was de Jongh and right now we just have a, sometimes, good tackler. I would have liked de Jongh as a starter and Fourie in the squad just as back-up. Not because he is at his peak, but because he can think and hold up his channel with pro-active defending and do things other players wouldn't think of doing . His positional play and communication is still lightyears ahead of the others. It seems outside centre will haunt us for many years to come. Hopefully those who criticized him for so long can see just how much he brought to the jersey.
Jacque may have been inteeligent when he was at his peak - burt in the EOYT he showed no inteeligence and was so pace-deficient that could not make any headway. Intlligence without physical ability represents a zero in performance.
Your support of Juan de Jongh is surprising taking into account the level of incompetence and of stupidity displayed by that player. The worst defending center in all Super 15 franchises for the past wo years - the player who have never created any line break and achieved nothing without being put into space by another player - after which he can finsinh off good moves - that is after somebody else has done the intelligent play. You come up with a totally non-performing 13 in the last three years - the player who went AWOL in the Murrayfield and Twickenham tests in 2012 as a solution.
Fourie should never have played in the EOYT last year - he was way past it and physically-deficient - so he brought zero to the game in the three tests he played. He was goodin years long ago - but the Japanese Club environment caused him to be worse than any opther outside center who played for the Springboks from 2012 - bar th useless De Jongh who went A\WOL when selected to play.
The situation is that Fourie knew that if if he got injured in playing Super 15 and tests - and the likelihood remains high that it would happen - he stood to lose millions fo dollars in compensation. So the answer is easy -
* go and play in an environment where due to physical deficiencies the likelihood of serious injury is high; and
* lose your comepnsation for th period of absence.
That is the brutal truth - and I would not be surprised if Du Preez opts out as well. He was not a star and during the third match he played in June got injured so seriously that he was out of rugby for the rest of the year. So will he take a chance if ot is going to cost him a couple of million dollars in compensation? Highy unlikely.
So I we now have a problem
Meyer is probably right - he asked th Stormers to make sure that De Allend gets game time at 13 in Super 15 next year - so as to accustomg himslef to play in that position. That will determine whther De Allende is the answer or not.
Which neatly proves my point. Getting game time at 13 won't improve his physical credentials, it will improve his decision making...which HM obviously knows to be inadequate.
Thanks Oom....you dumped on my point and then came back and made it perfectly for me. Can this man get any more stupid, or is he approaching some kind of limit?
When that issue raised by me was previously discussed on this Board - you were criticizing it as of no importance and supported Pietersen to play at 13. So what is new?
Rubbish we have 13's to burn. JJ should never have been discarded in the first place. de Allende was our best centre all S15 and has had virtually no test exposure to make a name for himself. Meyer pathetically threw in the towel on the lad so early on.
Other good options are Stokkies Hanekom of the Lions, Pat Howard and Taute of WP, Sithole and Tyler Fisher of the Sharks.
Not to mention Kobus v/Wyk of WP who is being wasted on the wing having played all his age group rugby at centre......he looks like another JJ clone.....plenty of pace and a great step.
We have more than enough material to work with but sadly we are stuck with an unimaginative coach stuck in a time warm and with 'conservative' as his second name.
You will surprised - but i agree with you in respect of JJ - a natural wing who has the speed to play on the wing. He never really adjusted to play at center.
What utter bullshit that JJ was outplayed in every S15 game - that is a lie. He was never outplayed at all. The guy was receiving on average 5 balls a game, its the Bulls way. If the Bulls don't play it wide, there is very little a 13 can do.
Reality is, none of the SA centres stood tall this S15......the best of the lot was de Allende.
JJ had the best defensive stats of all the SA centres in this S15....so much for him having an issue there.


