Jean De Velliers Finaly Speaks up!
its a catch 22 situation, if the Boks only select SA based players, then they lose the services of players like habana which is a huge loss, but theres more then enough depth in SA that u dont need to go ooverseas, but lack of success has the SARU admin and coaching staff not prepared to draw the line.
selecting players based in SA only will go a long way to ensuring their spXV teams are looked after, cos while it wont stop everyone from leaving, it will at least stop it from hemorrhaging.
also, if i was one of those players based in the UK or japan, i wouldnt be too happy with JDV voicing an opinon which effectively favours me not repping the Boks, regardless of how much JDV is looking out for SA rugby. dissent is a cancer for team synergy.
I see your posting as Cerdyne today.
Giving Devil's Advocate a little bench time, huh??
If we stop selecting people based on the color of their skin then people like Habana do not have to go overseas cause there would be more money to pay them. Since we have to contract players just for window dressing there is less money to pay the more deserving
These are the top 10 earners in French rugby (note that the has-been, Bakkies Botha is in the eighth spot):
1. Jonny Wilkinson (Toulon) - €56 000 per month (746,405.18 ZAR)
2. Jonathan Sexton (Racing Metro) - €52 000 per month (693,384.97 ZAR)
3. Bryan Habana (Toulon) - €50 000 per month (666,716.32 ZAR
4. Morgan Parra (Clermont Auvergne) - €46 000 per month (613,112.74 ZAR)
5. Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse) - €43 000 per month (573,134.50 ZA)
6. Dimitri Szarzewski (Racing Metro) - €41 000 per month (546,477.08 ZAR)
7. Carl Hayman (Toulon) - €41 000 per month (546,477.08 ZAR)
8. Bakkies Botha (Toulon) - €41 000 per month (546,477.08 ZAR)
9. Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro) - €40 000 per month (533,216.51 ZAR)
10. Matt Giteau (Toulon) - €40 000 per month (533,216.51 ZAR)
Ag ou Maaik. Ontspan daai gatspiere van jou so 'n bietjie. The stab at Jean de Villiers was pongue in cheek, but you walked straight into it. The crux of what I was trying to say is that it has bugger all to do with Heyneke Meyer's selection that have the guys pissing off overseas. That is just the result of your creative imagination. The real issue goes waaaay beyond Meyer's selections, and you know it. There is a demand for the players and they have the money to pay them salaries that they can only dream of in SA. That is the problem.
By the way, I am still waiting for you to indicate where and when Jean de Villiers indicated.... "....but the selection of average to poor foreign players which is at stake here. I think that is what pissed De Villiers off." Come on. Show me or admit that you were talking kak............... again.
Tell me Devil's ... errrh ... ummm ... Ceradyne ... when are you going to grow a spine and come clean?
Huh??
I mean you've made your name tottie ... so what?? ... A heartfelt apology to Stupid Dave and Dumbass Beano and I'm sure all will be forgiven ...
Nothing to come clean about. I am not Devil's Advocate. Believe what you want. It makes no difference to me.
De Villiers is saying exactly what I've been saying for ages. Moffie and his simpering Gimps had a little snigger whan I said we shouldn't pick overseas-based players a few months ago and it will be interesting to see if Moffie changes his tune now that his hero Jean de Villiers is advocating a local-only selection policy.
I don't believe this has got anything to do with JdV feeling left out because he didn't get an overseas contract, it's got to do with keeping SA rugby strong and encouraging our best young players to stay and play S15 and CC rather than chase after the big money. I'm not saying young professional rugby players shouldn't have the right to earn more money overseas, I'm saying that the player should know that any overseas contract will be at the expense of a Springbok jersey.
The Springbok team should only ever be made up of players playing S15 or CC in South Africa, no exceptions.
So who is the clown now. Seems all of you who were in the choir about the overseas players and how Jean de Villiers was so 100% correct................ Seems he was "misquoted".
Jean: Overseas Boks vital 2013-08-16 17:23
Johannesburg - South Africa captain Jean de Villiers said the national team cannot afford to discard foreign-based players if they want to compete at the highest level.
De Villiers said he had been misquoted in an earlier interview with New Zealand's Radio Sport, where it was claimed that he urged South Africa to adopt New Zealand's policy of barring overseas-based players from the national team.
An exodus of talent to England, France and Japan in recent weeks has struck an emotive chord in a country that prides itself on the strength of its domestic competition, leading to a heated debate over calling up foreign-based players.
"When it comes to Springbok rugby you want to select the strongest team. To maintain a world class team we cannot say no to them (foreign-based players)," De Villiers said on the eve of their Rugby Championship opener against Argentina on Saturday.
But he told reporters the loss of top players to foreign clubs - with winger Bryan Habana, flyhalf Morne Steyn and lock Juandre Kruger all due to start new club careers in France - would have an impact on South African Super Rugby franchises.
South African Rugby Union (SARU) officials said the issue was unavoidable given the greater financial rewards for players overseas but it was struggling to devise a definitive policy.
There are an unprecedented seven overseas-based players in South Africa's 23-man squad to face Argentina.
"Players playing locally will always get first consideration, provided the selectors have faith in their abilities," SARU chief executive Jurie Roux said last week.
However, the recall to the squad of Japanese-based scrum half Fourie du Preez, who played his last game for South Africa at the 2011 World Cup, has further muddied the waters.
Now what.......?
Oops ....the Oom and the Aas slathered with dripping egg. Clowns!
Hahahhahahahahaha a misquote sinks rooitwit. Mike beware when you agree with rooitwit.
The factor as to why we are having this mass exodus of players have been accurately summarised. The very weak rand, quotas, the crime, the corrupt, racist and inefficient anc etc etc. Anybody thinking that the prospect of playing for the Boks will stop this is burying his head in the sand. Bekker, JP Jaque Fourie, Fourie du Preez and Brussouw went to japan. Jaque Fourie got R20 million for two years easy work.
But today young players are leaving - Boks or not. Stander, Koster, kockott, louw. Quin Roux, Jp Du Plessis.
We couls field an international side or two from overseas based players.
Mike and rooiwt please get real.
Meyer being a shrwed man has made the right call in adopting the principle of selcting overseas players. You may dispute whether the selections are correct but NOT THE PRINCIPLE. Unless a number of factors change nothing will stop players heading off overseas and Meyer is wise enough not to destroy Bok rugy by taking a daft decision to select based on where a player is located.
Note also how Jean is saying how Super 15 sides are being weakened.
Trust a nz oak to get is so wrong. Was he deliberately misquoted in an effort to sow division in the Bok camp. I mean as Bok captain is Jean going to really go on record and say in future dont pick overseas players. Of course not he is not that dumb.
Sigh - one always has to so spell things out for ou rooiASS.
If the Boks start the season with a couple of wins all this discussion will be forgotten IMO. But if it's a couple of loses then things really turn to crap.
JW whether we win or not doesn't change the fact we are loosing far too many players.


