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Jean will stay at 12

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2014, 00:58
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06 Aug 2014, 00:58#1


Springbok captain Jean de Villiers will remain at inside centre for this year’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship – and for the foreseeable future as well.

The Bok captain is held in such high regard by coach Heyneke Meyer and his coaching staff that moving De Villiers around the backline will be a no-go area in terms of selection, even though he has represented the Boks at outside centre and wing in the past.

De Villiers enjoyed a stellar year in 2013 and was aptly named SA Rugby Player of the year for his efforts. However this season has seen injury plague him, as it has with so many others.

Yet with a Bok squad named that has no recognised 13, and one which ignored previous regulars JJ Engelbrecht and Juan de Jongh in terms of selection, the Boks look set to play Damian de Allende at outside centre for the Argentinean tests.

JP Pietersen was a success in the role in the Castle Lager Incoming Tours series, but his move to Japan has made him unavailable for the majority of the games as they clashes with the better part of the Japanese season.

Meyer has always rated De Allende, but the big Stormers utility back hasn’t been tested at 13 – outside of schools level – and making his first start there at test level may well be a gamble.

While the other midfielder in the squad – Jan Serfontein – deputised for De Villiers in his absence in June and did well, he is also not a recognised 13 and is likely to play off the bench.

If this year’s Vodacom Super Rugby tournament has shown anything, it is the value of a solid playmaker at 12, with some sides – including the champion Waratahs playing a flyhalf in Kurtley Beale at 12 to help their attacking play while even All Black mastermind Dan Carter returned to action for the Crusaders at 12.

And when looking at the Bok squad, it is certainly a case of - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it – with De Villiers’ leadership abilities also being maximised closer to the play.

Meyer has gone a step further, saying De Villiers’ stay at 12 is one of the main reasons the Boks have been scoring so many tries in the last year. For that reason alone, it isn’t wise to move him.

“We looked at him at 13. I still believe though that his best position is 12. Jan (Serfontein) has been superb at 12 in the Incoming Tours, and it is a pity he hasn’t played 13. Damian hasn’t played 13 either – although he did play there at schools level. With JP and Jaque Fourie out, we are really under pressure at 13. We have to find the right combination,” Meyer said.

“I have always thought that Damian can be a brilliant player, we simply need to find the right position for him. The one thing I like about Jean at 12 is his leadership. At one stage we played Frans Steyn at 12 and Jean at 13 and we didn’t score a lot of tries. “While there were other factors as well, I still believe when your captain is at 12 he organises most of the play. He was probably the best 12 in the world last year I believe and although he can crash the ball up, he also has unbelievable hands to get the ball away.

I believe the days have gone by when we believe we all are going to crash up the ball and outpower guys. Everyone has good backs and they’re all skilful.”

The last remark may not go down well with Meyer’s critics, but the proof is in the pudding, with the Boks scoring 23 tries in four games thus far this year, and 47 in 12 tests in 2013. Compare that to the all-conquering All Blacks, who scored 51 in 14 tests, with the Boks edging them in terms of tries per game.

The truth is that the Boks have undergone a revolution in the past 12 months, and taken massive steps forward. De Villiers has been playing some of his best rugby of his career in the Green and Gold and deserves the confidence placed in him.

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The key now is to continue the upward trend in a Rugby Championship that will be tougher this year.

Meyer’s final statement on the matter may again surprise, but those who have worked with him over the years know his teams develop into successful sides by evolving, just like this Springbok side is doing at the moment.

“Believe it or not, I always prefer a 12 who can move the ball around and create tries on the outside. We really scored some brilliant tries last year. Although he can play 13, and will do a good job there, I still believe he is a 12. He is big, strong and has unbelievable hands. I always want to beat guys on the outside as well, instead of just using the crash ball.” (Please note Gonzo ala Card)

There was some talk about letting De Villiers and Eben Etzebeth back to play for Western Province this weekend in the Absa Currie Cup, but the Bok team will make a decision later on this. One of the biggest problems they face if they plan this is that they will then need to release more players as well, as the other provinces will complain.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 02:57
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06 Aug 2014, 02:57#2
 Veeno
I never really thought otherwise - and that makes certain that De Allende would be 13.  I do not doubt that the latter will have a good match and am sure he is going to stake a claim for that position on a permanent basis for years to come. .    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 07:43
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06 Aug 2014, 07:43#3
De Allende has great physical assets. But test rugby is a hard school, and as we saw with Taute and JJ at 13, one where failure is a distinct possibility. De Allende had some decent games in the S15 and a few poor ones. Last time I looked at his tackle stats they were hardly above 80 percent. Not very comforting. 
There seems to be a strong consensus about this solution. But for me the proof will be in the pudding. My own guess is unless de Allende makes a really strong impression against the Bargies, we will see Stepfontein starting at 13 against Oz and NZ. Not good.
Thirteen is one of the technical positions in rugby. The lack of an incumbent is one of our real issues going into the RC.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 08:27
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06 Aug 2014, 08:27#4
 Last time you looked you missed the tackle stats of Francois Steyn  at 72% and Juan de Jongh at 74% completely.   Your attacks against  De Allende started a long time ago and you have already decided what your comments on his performance is going to be.   Anything good he does will be ignored and the slightest mistake he makes will be enhanced to beyond recognition  - if he does not make any,  some will be invented.  
     
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Aug 2014, 09:38
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06 Aug 2014, 09:38#5
 Jean may be injured, see the other threadArticle in Jean's injury

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:36
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06 Aug 2014, 12:36#6
Typical little OOM hissyfit. So Oom you are apparently guaranteeing that de Allende will be fine in the tests. I'd feel more comforted by that if you hadn't guaranteed Jordaan could defend right before Read handed him off head first into the deck. As a hooker you seem to have developed no field vision and certainly have zero sense of back play.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 13:15
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06 Aug 2014, 13:15#7
 Mozart
Hissyfit yes - lies and deception no.  If you could guarantee that Steyn and De Jongh would have done better - having missed so many tackles resulting in tries?  
The one with zero sense of backline play is in fact you.  Anybody that make pics like the Steyns and De Jongh, must be seriously deluded  into believing they know something about backline play.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 13:27
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06 Aug 2014, 13:27#8
Time will tell....so far you are batting zero.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2014, 13:54
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06 Aug 2014, 13:54#9
 Thanks Cloudy we certainly hope to whip the wallietongan boguns but recognise they have upped their game. Beeno the realist.
I think after the two tests with the Argies we will have out act together barring injuries.
Allende is a major talent looming with the physicality etc to make an impression at test level.
He and the impressive young Jan Serfontein look at the moment to be the future Bok paring. Add in Reinach and Pollard, Willie and then JJ on one wing and JP/Cornel on the other etc and the future looks assured.
The looming pack is no less impressive.Beast/Kitshof/ Du toitMAlherbe/ Marcel vd merveLoot Eben, Steph, WillemseCetzee, Louw, Vermuelen, Van der Walt, Jaque Du Plessi, labbers 
And I have left out a number of players.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 14:03
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06 Aug 2014, 14:03#10

Thanks Cloudy we certainly hope to whip the wallietongan boguns but recognise they have upped their game. 

Beeno the realist.
I think after the two tests with the Argies we will have out act together barring injuries.
Allende is a major talent looming with the physicality etc to make an impression at test level.
He and the impressive young Jan Serfontein look at the moment to be the future Bok paring. Add in Reinach and Pollard, Willie and then JJ on one wing and JP/Cornel on the other etc and the future looks assured.
The looming pack is no less impressive.Beast/Kitshof/ Du toitMAlherbe/ Marcel vd merveLoot Eben, Steph, WillemseCetzee, Louw, Vermuelen, Van der Walt, Jaque Du Plessi, labbers 
And I have left out a number of players.    Actually HasBeen you have included too many players. For convenience I have removed those who definitely wont be incumbents. I' m not so sure about Lood and Stephanie either, but time will tell.
 
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