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Jeremy Guscott: SA rugby must get rid of quotas

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
18 Dec 2017, 10:15
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18 Dec 2017, 10:15#1

And we still have Coetzee as the Bok coach who is a quota. He has lots of experience- but should have been fired last year already. He is a typical quota that uses transformation as an excuse for poor results- yet his teams are less transformed than previous coaches. 

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Cape Town - Legendary former England and British Lions centre Jeremy Guscott says South Africa rugby needs to "get rid of quotas" if the Springboks are to be a force in world rugby again.

SA Rugby is under pressure to transform the national team and the target is for the Springbok team to feature 50% black players at the 2019 Rugby World Cup in Japan.

But the 52-year-old Guscott, who played 65 Tests for England and went on three British and Irish Lions tours, feels merit selections are the only way forward for the Springboks.

Guscott expressed his views via a column for The Rugby Paper in England late last week.

“Ever since South Africa adopted a quota system for national team selection it was always going to throw up tough challenges in terms of getting their best team on the field. Those difficulties were highlighted this autumn when the Springboks were overwhelmed by Ireland and then lost to Wales,” Guscott wrote.

Guscott, who is famous for kicking the series-winning drop goal for the Lions against the Springboks at Kings Park in 1997, is worried about South Africa’s ability compete with the likes of New Zealand, England, Ireland, Australia, Wales and Scotland in future.

“In some ways I feel sorry for the South Africans, but going down the quota route was always a mistake. They have to get rid of quotas and pick people on ability."

Guscott also called on SA Rugby to allow the Springbok coach to to pick overseas-based players.

At present, only overseas-based Springboks with 30 or more Test caps can be picked for the national team.

“With 350 top South African players in Europe and Japan the Springboks no longer have the luxury of picking their third choice - these days it’s more like having to make do with their twentieth choice. South African rugby has enormous depth, but the reality is that their best players are not playing for the Springboks,” Guscott continued.

Guscott did, however, use the example of flanker Siya Kolisi as a black player who has excelled for the Springboks.

“Kolisi is there on merit, and when Eben Etzebeth was replaced during the game against Wales he was promoted to captain. The good news is that Kolisi is using his high profile to help black and coloured youngsters to do what he has done, and is a great role model. What is also important is that he has been backing up his position with strong performances on the pitch.”

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2017, 13:59
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18 Dec 2017, 13:59#2
It’s a pleasure reading some honesty and common sense for a change.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Dec 2017, 14:53
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18 Dec 2017, 14:53#3

I recall when quotas were first mentioned many years ago I was the lone voice saying merit selections were they only way to go. It got nasty and of course the usual oh so predictable name calling by loons arose. Beeno is a racist Beeno is a Nazi etc. (Let's not talk about job reservation for blacks and the discrimination against minorities happening in the new racist South Africa!)

It's great to see the world catching up to Beeno nearly two decades later. Its sometimes hard to be so in advance of ones times. 

Guscott's admirable piece will annoy a number of closet racist kbbs who love us having quotas. The kbbs are almost as bad as ou rooitwit for getting things consistently wrong. Hahahahahahahhahahaha

Red Reed will be hugely embarrassed regarding his very unfortunate and ignorant comments about SA not having decent players.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
18 Dec 2017, 16:48
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18 Dec 2017, 16:48#4
Unfortunately, the quota concept has been replaced with black transformation. 
Initially, quotas were about getting more non-white players into the game. (in the context of Apartheid not based on merit either). 
The big question is after 2019- will the quota representation increase more than 50%. Additionally, will it change from players of colour- to specifically black Africans? I think the plan is to eventually have 80% + black Africans representation- just like Bafana Bafana, and many of the largest SA companies like South African Airways.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Dec 2017, 17:46
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18 Dec 2017, 17:46#5

The house is on fire.

Shills are out to try to rescue SA rugby and prevent the termination of it.

The opinion bit makes no sense as soon as it pictures that non white player as a something else than a quota player.

The common perception is that this player in particular is a quota player. Even his title of the player of the year is perceived as a quota award.

This mouth piece can not face the situation as it is: in 25 years, SA has not produced one single non white player. He tried to hide the fact behind that player, which destroys it all.

Notice: when reading the thread, it is obvious he is not the only one.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Dec 2017, 17:48
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18 Dec 2017, 17:48#6

The big question is after 2019- will the quota representation increase more than 50%.


The quota are not applied. They could put the quota target to 100 and still start a game as it was started against Wales.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Dec 2017, 17:53
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18 Dec 2017, 17:53#7

The good news is that Kolisi is using his high profile to help black and coloured youngsters to do what he has done, and is a great role model. What is also important is that he has been backing up his position with strong performances on the pitch.”


What a bit to swallow. Why should this guy play that part? Is he a trainer? Is he an educator?

Guy can not face that SA, in 25 years, has not trained one single decent non white player.

Some people are now scared by the near future: termination of rugby in SA.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
18 Dec 2017, 19:11
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18 Dec 2017, 19:11#8
The last time I checked Kolisi was not a white person. Unless he paints himself with a darker complexion before each match. The fact is Kolisi has worked hard to be an international player and commands the respect he deserves.

You are a quota poster, or actually just a quota existence. You do not understand merit or capitalism. You feel that you should be getting handouts- much like a communist regime.  1 person does the work of 10 people, but the other 9 want the same salary. This will never work. 
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
19 Dec 2017, 12:01
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19 Dec 2017, 12:01#9

The last time I checked Kolisi was not a white person.

Indeed since  SA has not trained one decent non white player.

This player is a quota player as reported by this board. That is all.

SA will never train one decent non white player. It is over.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2017, 13:08
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19 Dec 2017, 13:08#10

SB

The problem is Kolisi is married to a white woman and that makes him - like Maimane of the DA - a traitor in the eyes of racists.   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2017, 18:54
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19 Dec 2017, 18:54#11

Trad hates everything.  

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Dec 2017, 00:36
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20 Dec 2017, 00:36#12

@ Trad

Yeah Habana was terrible. So was JP. Afrika, Galant, Rosco, Beast... All suck. 

Nkosi... Talk about talentless. 

No wait. They are good players who have done and are doing well. Unlike you 

There is more demand in Europe for our non white rugby players than there is for our non white soccer players. Soccer which is by far the favorite sport of the masses in SA. 

The rugby team have won the WC twice and the cricket team is constantly one of the best in the world. 

Seems we should focus more on training our soccer players... Because the last time they were any good was just after apartheid. That's 20 years ago. 

Maybe tannie Ans can help them out


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
20 Dec 2017, 17:01
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20 Dec 2017, 17:01#13
It is true that Bafana, Bafana won the African Cup of Nations just after Apartheid. Since then they get worse each year. 
I do not follow these clowns, but from what I understand they can no longer get past the qualifiers into the main competition in the African Cup. They only way they could get into the World Cup was by bribing FIFA to be the host nation to get a default entry. 
They are a total embarrassment. And they have no "white" quotas to blame the problem on. Most of these players would struggle to make a B-team club outfit on merit. 
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
05 Jan 2018, 18:44
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05 Jan 2018, 18:44#14

No wait. They are good players who have done and are doing well. Unlike you

Not hired in the north. Zero.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
05 Jan 2018, 18:48
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05 Jan 2018, 18:48#15

There is more demand in Europe for our non white rugby players than there is for our non white soccer players. Soccer which is by far the favorite sport of the masses in SA.


There is no demand in Europe for SA non white rugby players. Zero.


There is no demand in Europe for SA football players whatsoever. Which is another strong signal, considering there is demand for players from many other african nations.


Resources were busted on rugby, which offers no future, while football, at least, could have generated revenues through player transfers.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Jan 2018, 06:56
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06 Jan 2018, 06:56#16

Trad, you can repeat your BS as much as you like, it will still be BS. I don't know if you believe the sh!t you're peddling or if you are merely trolling...don't really care. You're one twisted AH either way. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Jan 2018, 12:18
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06 Jan 2018, 12:18#17

Ek oefen maar my Afrikaans as Trad op n thread is. 

Die etter het nooit iets oor rugby te se nie. Hy kom net op die site om goed te se wat hy nie durf om voor mense te se nie.

Dis maar hoe dit hier werk. Die meederheid in SA is nie braaf genoeg om by hulle woorde te staan nie. Dis net as daar duisende van hulle is dat hulle wys wie hulle rerig is. Of, soos in die geval, as hul agter die internet kan skuil.

How did I do? 



TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
12 Jan 2018, 12:03
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12 Jan 2018, 12:03#18

Trad, you can repeat your BS as much as you like, it will still be BS. I don't know if you believe the sh!t you're peddling or if you are merely trolling...


You must not believe in gravity to experience it.

The more it goes, the easier it will become.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Jan 2018, 06:25
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13 Jan 2018, 06:25#19

Wow ... seems Trad starts the year off with the same old horseshit.

Shame ... the poor man tries so hard to be clever.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!

IT'S NOT WORKING BOZO!!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Jan 2018, 06:30
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13 Jan 2018, 06:30#20

Well ... anyone with a single brain cell could have worked out that handouts to the undeserving wouldn't lift our beloved sport.

I guess that finishing 6th in the world says it all.

Why is that fool of a coach still employed?

SharkShit ... Kolisi is not international material. He is a quota ... a token ... a black skin meant to appease the masses ... nothing more.

He has no clue how to play at 6 ... and he's no more than a club 7 at best. Get that through your thick skull.



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