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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 07:55
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21 Jan 2025, 07:55#1

Dave exclaims that Jirre-Enzo played well this weekend. And i think most of us enjoyed the try he scored last weekend. 


...though when he was chasing that counter attack kick down the touchline, how he was the third fastest man in that chase? He doesn't have express pace. Fassi would have gassed the shit out of those other two runners over 50m.


At 178cm, he's not a big guy either.


Sucks for him that he stopped growing...right? Him at 190cm would have been something else.


So he's not big, and he's not exceedingly fast. 


Now, Moodie is 189cm and Hooker is 194cm.


I like this picture much more for a 12/13 combination - We know Moodie can do it and we've seen enough of Hooker to know that he could switch his brain off and play at least as well as DDA.


Kolbe and Arendse, they have that express pace and more guile than necessary. So it's not definitive, all things being equal, that a bigger guy is better.  


Jirre-enzo needs a couple of years of scoring good tries before he should be considered. 


Since he's not quick and not big, he'd be better served just jacking out and getting huge. For a short guy like him, another 7-9kg's, get up to like 105KGs and just beast-mode everybody. 


At the 27 WC, as things stand, we want Sacha, Fassi, Willemse, Arendse and maybe (Moodie and Hooker). In terms of looking for a 12, the mandate simply has to be a player that  is inclined to temper the naturally adventurous nature of the other backs in the side. Not necessarily someone as methodical as DDA. And AE will be 33...


Perhaps the plan is for AE to take over now. Maybe that is why Rassie has stuck with him.


But if it's not AE then the Boks are on the hunt for a new starting 12. 


I believe Rassie would want to cushion that 12 and not expose him to the burden of having to carry a new player like Jirr-enzo. 


TLDR; AE being the man going forward would make it more likely that Jirr-enzo gets a shot.



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 10:38
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21 Jan 2025, 10:38#2
Oh boy since when does height determine size the guy is 96kg the same weight as Am and Jessie Kriel. He has huge stocky legs and stacked upstairs. He weighs more than Moodie Wake the fuck up His pace is off the mark not over 50 metres - he has explosive pace off the mark evidenced by the try he set up for Hooker earlier this year And yes he had a good game this past weekend, especially those touches by hand Fuck me you are so damn rugby ignorant it is scary Let me guess Ox at 1.73m and 123kg is not big either?
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
21 Jan 2025, 11:03
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21 Jan 2025, 11:03#3

Julius looks good, I'm cautiously optimistic about him. Had a good game this weekend.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 11:33
#4
21 Jan 2025, 11:33#4
I’ve seen more than enough of Julius to know he looks special - there are the obvious physical attributes but it’s the subtle things that impress me the most - the offloads, the lines, movement before he receives the ball. The lad has good rugby software Reminds me of Am but with more ammunition given his explosive pace off the mark I’m more excited about Julius than I am Sacha, that’s how much I think he is the real deal and let’s face it Sacha is off the ceiling special
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 11:36
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21 Jan 2025, 11:36#5
I never said I don't like him. He's obviously a good player. But there is the requirement that he prove himself for a year or two. Saffex, you keep saying "fuck me!"...are those Freudian slips? Been a while for you or what?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jan 2025, 12:43
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21 Jan 2025, 12:43#6

Julius also steps very well and is able to beat his man. 

Willemse can play 12 with Fasdie at 15.

What is the problem barring possible injuries. 

I think we should have a squad to challenge for the cup in 2027.timr will tell.

I see though people talking about the lack of depth in our rugby due to poor performances of our provincial teams.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 14:27
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21 Jan 2025, 14:27#7

Spot on Beeno the obvious call is play Willemse at 12 with Fassi at 15 - it’s a no brainer

Backup at 12 would be Hooker and David Kriel 

Sacha at 10, Libbok and Jordan Hendrikse as back ups

Jordan Hendrikse and Moodie back up 15

Options at 13 are Jurenzo Julius, Moodie, Henco v Wyk and Hooker - for me Julius walks it and he does not need a season or two to prove it - Sacha and Moodie never did, nor did Pollard and Willemse. I’d have him ahead of Jessie right now - no brainer

Wings Arendse, Kolbe, Moodie, Green and Edwil vd Merwe

Plenty of options at 9

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becsPro4,378 posts
21 Jan 2025, 15:45
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21 Jan 2025, 15:45#8

Sexy ?! 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
21 Jan 2025, 15:48
#9
21 Jan 2025, 15:48#9

Something you want to tell us, Dave?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jan 2025, 16:02
#10
21 Jan 2025, 16:02#10

Hi Becs, good to see you back.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 16:12
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21 Jan 2025, 16:12#11
Fuck sake this predictive text shit Sexy from Sacha :)
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 17:09
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21 Jan 2025, 17:09#12
Dave, did you actually watch the Sharks game at the weekend? If you did you would have seen that the Sharks turned over a ball in the 1st half, kicked it in far behind the Frenchies, and it became a foot race with the Frenchies having to track back. Both the French guys left Julius behind. So I can only conclude that you didn't actually watch the game. And the point I was making was not that Julius is slow. Just that he doesn't have express pace like Fassi or Arendse...which is a bumber for him because we generally accept that a player is small so long as he is very quick. And 178cm is pretty short for a Test 13. Lol Julius is only 2,8 inches taller than Kolbe...7cm. But sure, he's a giant among men haha
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 17:12
#13
21 Jan 2025, 17:12#13
Anyway, our problem at the next WC won't be the backs. As I stated on another thread, we have plenty of backs with experience already and they'll only be better in 3 years time. Not much tweaking required there...provided we decide pretty soon who will be taking over from everyone's favourite donkey at 12. It's up front where we're gonna have major issues.
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becsPro4,378 posts
21 Jan 2025, 17:48
#14
21 Jan 2025, 17:48#14

I don’t buy that excuse, Saffolk  


Hello Mozart, thank you  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 18:24
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21 Jan 2025, 18:24#15
Fuck Plum you are really rugby stupid and I mean that sincerely 1.78m is hardly short now is it? It’s not like the guy is a dwarf, he is a similar height to Henco v Wyk But he is stocky, check how big his legs are, he weighs 96kg is that too small for a test 13 huh? If so what the fuck are Am and Jessie doing playing centre at test level huh? I would expect Arendse and Fassi to be quicker, they are outside backs. Jurenzo’s pace is over 10 or 15m - it’s explosive pace, it’s why he is so good at attacking space. But if you knew anything about rugby and had watched him play enough, you would know that There is nothing wrong with his pace in general and it’s certainly not defined by the one example you have provided. Fuck me you really are clueless - especially considering your absolute ignorance when it comes to our future forwards - yeah we really are going to struggle with the likes of Marx, AH Venter, Ox, Steenkamp, Wessels, Wilco, Thomas, RG, Hanekom, Wiese, Roos and Elrigh Louw on board - it’s going to be a real, real struggle - no other rugby playing country has anything close to that list of forwards for the future not even close
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jan 2025, 18:32
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21 Jan 2025, 18:32#16

Obviously we need a Mozcrosope sort this thing out…..so far I watched him in the second part of the Sharks debacle. He did make one spectacular offload. But then he tried to force the same offload again and botched the move.

He seemed rather short.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 18:36
#17
21 Jan 2025, 18:36#17
Stop saying "fuck me"...nobody wants to. Yes, Dave...that's why backlines across so many franchises and test sides are comprised of 5'10 backs. And I'm totally sure that if you asked Julius if he'd like to be taller, he'd say "Nah, I'm the perfect height for a Test 13." Lol you clown!
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Jan 2025, 18:40
#18
21 Jan 2025, 18:40#18
Julius and Henco are both shorter guys and strong on there feet….. So if Jurenzo will walk straight into starting team, is to be seen. But he is a good candidate just like Henco…..
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 18:42
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21 Jan 2025, 18:42#19
You are a fucking idiot so at 1.78m and 96kg he can’t be a test centre because hey ho his opponents are going to a whole centimetre taller than him I’ve read it all Yeah he is really slow judging by this YouTube clip of him https://youtu.be/43SOF4PWO6g?si=RuocWaiL0Sdvm2wO
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 19:35
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21 Jan 2025, 19:35#20
Dave, you mong! I never said he can't be a Test 13. I never said he was slow either. I said he is not a big guy and he doesn't have express pace. ...and that may account against him. If a guy comes along, with the same attributes in terms of skill etc that Julius has, but he weighs 100kgs and is 10cm taller...on balance, there is no way you pick the smaller guy. This isn't difficult to understand. Anyway, he has a low centre of gravity and is a strong runner. So he can turn quickly and break a tackle...which is great. For me, I just need more evidence before I'll rate him ahead of Moodie, or Hooker.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 20:04
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21 Jan 2025, 20:04#21
Fuck how stupid are you? How is 96kg small huh? Why in heavens name would a taller guy weighing 100kg be better Are you seriously this fucking stupid? Serious question And as the video clips show there is fuck all wrong with his pace But you keep ignorantly chipping away - I’m sure you can make yourself look even more stupid than you have The floor is yours
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Jan 2025, 20:30
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21 Jan 2025, 20:30#22
In you ideal world...is the Bok backline made up of guys weighing 150kgs and 1,4m tall?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 20:43
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21 Jan 2025, 20:43#23
Just answer the question How the fuck is 1cm and 4kg going to make the taller guy a better option huh?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jan 2025, 21:46
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21 Jan 2025, 21:46#24
Smaller men wearing masks were found to be more intimidating
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jan 2025, 23:25
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21 Jan 2025, 23:25#25
Where has Moz gone masked man?
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2025, 01:15
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22 Jan 2025, 01:15#26
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2025, 01:15
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22 Jan 2025, 01:15#27
I also noticed that he looked a bit slow chasing his own kick. It certainly appeared the oppsotion were faster in a flat out race over 30 metres. 
For a young player that is concerning, as this is usually the best asset of ouside backs that are younger. 
Although maybe he never hit his stride. He looked a bit wobbly when running. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 01:27
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22 Jan 2025, 01:27#28
Oh Shark why not go check this out and then come tell us he looks slow You idiots look at one run and then define him as slow You are fucking irritatingly clueless https://youtu.be/43SOF4PWO6g?si=RuocWaiL0Sdvm2wO
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Jan 2025, 05:30
#29
22 Jan 2025, 05:30#29
But Mostert is a lightweight because he doesn't have those valuable extra 5kgs. What is this 1cm you are talking about? I'm happy to see that others are just as "clueless" as I am
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Jan 2025, 08:24
#30
22 Jan 2025, 08:24#30

Her DumbleDork

This is what Jirr-Enzo doesn't have.

I'm not saying tis the end of the world.

I'm simply saying it would be nice if he could skin one of the fastest players on the other team by 8m over a 40m distance.

Note how he slows down to wait for the kick, and then blasts past the Ozzie. 

Jirr-Enzo can't do that. Only Kolbe, Williams, Arendse and Fassi can.

...and all I was saying is that ti sucks for him that he can't. Because it limits what he can rely on to be successful.

To prove the point, take express pace away from any one of the guys above...and they're instantly less appealing. 

Unless we are living in some alternate reality we more speed doesn't equal mor e advantage.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 11:19
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22 Jan 2025, 11:19#31
So what part of his YouTube footage did you not take in? That footage clearly demonstrates he has plenty of pace but you are stupid enough to define his pace based on one chase he clearly did not fully engage in Also what part of him having explosive pace off the mark that sets him apart do you not get - that is evidenced by the try he sets up for Hooker - also available on YouTube. It’s that very explosive power that the commentators were lamenting over As for useless Mostert, he is 10kg too light for Bok lock Jurenzo Julius at 96kg is the perfect weight for a test 13 Are you able to comprehend the difference? I doubt it
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Jan 2025, 13:56
#32
22 Jan 2025, 13:56#32

Very good point, but to be honest, Brian O Driscol wasn't the fastest over 40m either. I watched him play a couple of times live and he had such a knack for breaking the line and just cutting the defence. He had extreme acceleration and fantastic running lines. It was really hard to defend against him. He just made things happen around him. 

I think Jurrenzo is in the same mould. He can just make things happen around him. 

178 is tall enough and I think Bundy is the same height. 

I see big backs these days have less of an impact. I think there are room for different size players. It is not the same game it was 10 or 20 years ago when we have J De Villiers who were both really big and quick. Those guys were fast. 

But to find players like that are rare but it also proves you don't need such players. 

So I Jirrenzo is good. Need more game time, but I would judge for a kick chase on scramble defence  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 14:04
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22 Jan 2025, 14:04#33
But equally it shows in his YouTube clips that there is absolutely nothing wrong with his pace, in fact it shows he is quick - certainly no slower than Jessie or Am There is no ways Jean de Villiers or Jacques Fourie were quicker Jurenzo is not short and certainly not tall, average height would best describe him. I’m a similar height and no one has ever called me short And at 96kg he is certainly not small This kid has everything, I’m more excited about him than I am Sacha - that’s how good he is. He oozes class
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Jan 2025, 14:23
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22 Jan 2025, 14:23#34
Which is what I'm saying. He's pretty short so able to turn quickly and is strong enough to break tackle when he hits arms. He's never going to outstrip Fassi or Arendse for pace, but it's not the end of the world. He'll harden up for too over the coming years. ...but he does need a few more pages in his resume before I'd consider him ahead of other young guys that have proved themselves.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 17:03
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22 Jan 2025, 17:03#35

He has more in his resume than any young player other than Sacha 

You would know that if you had watched every game he has been involved in 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2025, 17:07
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22 Jan 2025, 17:07#36

Sidestep is the weapon O Driscoll had….Kolbe has it. Habana never did but he was the fastest player on the park Nor did Jean….Stepfontein did, but he was a carthorse.

Take the masked man, only 3rd in the school hundred,  but 2nd in the high jump after he taught himself Valeriy Brumel straddle and the morons we’re still doing the scissors. But a step to die for.

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 17:39
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22 Jan 2025, 17:39#37

Long standing laugh between my best mate and I was that we competed against each other in the schools inter house high jump. He did the fosberry (sp) flop and I did the scissors. I ended up beating him to win it and have never let him forget it to this day.

I used to win all the running events up to u13 where I also played on the wing. As the years passed I filled out more and lost the pace of a wing resulting in me moving closer and closer to the scrum eventually ending up at 10 in my second last year but back to 12 in my final year 

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jan 2025, 18:04
#38
22 Jan 2025, 18:04#38

Brumel died at a young age…his career ended to all intents by a motor cycle accident. I road those things for most of my adult life…in retrospect madness, at the time pure joy,

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jan 2025, 18:17
#39
22 Jan 2025, 18:17#39

We all had bikes at school - Yamaha DT 50’s 

Scissors rule Moz 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Jan 2025, 18:42
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22 Jan 2025, 18:42#40

Oh, he has more on his resume than Moodie? 

I didn't realise.

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