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JJ and Jan Serfontein's last Springbok Tour

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
06 Nov 2013, 03:35
#1
06 Nov 2013, 03:35#1

Meyer has announced this week that some of the players are going to be dropped after this tour, and will not make it back as the team prepares for the World Cup.


Meyer wants to use this tour to establish at least 25 out of his 30 man squad, and rumours are that JJ and Serfontein are looking like the most likely to be cut from the Springbok squad with a view to the world cup.


JJ has his crititics, and Serfontein did not give a good performance against the All Blacks at all. 


Reports have also said that Meyer was not impressed with Serfontein's performances for the boks for most of the year except for one or two decent games against the Minnows. Then with the Bulls duo being outplayed by the Cheetas centres a few weeks ago was noticed by many rugby experts.


Is it the begining of the end for JJ and Serfontein?


SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
06 Nov 2013, 04:01
#2
06 Nov 2013, 04:01#2
 Serfontein won't be dropped, he was out on the wing the whole game.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Nov 2013, 04:04
#3
06 Nov 2013, 04:04#3
Why would anyone drop these 2 upcoming youngsters?????
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Nov 2013, 06:00
#4
06 Nov 2013, 06:00#4

Sharkbok

 

I think Meyer's remarks are a warning to some players to buck up - or they will be gone.

 

I think that the identification of players to be dropped from the squad would be influenced by a number of factors, the main ones being -

 

*   the performances of the NH Club players in the forthcoming three tests;

 

*   the performance of especially the failures in the Ellis Park test (Morne, Alberts and Engelbrecht) in the upcoming tests; and

 

*   the performance of questionable players in the Super 15 season next year.

 

I think there are in fact the certain deletions, the probable deletions and the questionable cases. The relevant situation is most likely to be the following:-

 

Certain Deletions

 

There can be no doubt that the certain deletions would be Zane Kirchner, Gurthro Steenkamp, Scara and Schreuder. 

 

I think that Meyer is -

 

*   probably thinking of Taute, Francois Steyn and/or SP Marais as probable members of the squad at full back in future; and

 

*   giving Kitshoff another chance in Super 15 to see whether he is maintaining his present level of performance.

 

Problem is that Taute has been out of rugby for more than six months and was given virtually no playing time by the Stormers - because of Jantjies goal kicking deficiencies and Steyn was and is in poor physical form.   Those two will have to show that they are still worth it after taking into account performances in Super 15 next year and he will keenly follow the progress of SP Marais in the relevant series.    

 

Probable Deletions

 

There are quite a number of candidates here and I think the following can be on the edge of dismissal.  

 

 Morne Steyn, JJ Engelbrecht, Willem Alberts, Siya Kolisis  

 

There can be no doubt that Meyer is giving those four  players one last chance to prove their value on test level - I do not think that he would not have taken notice of what happened in the Ellis Park test and subsequent CC games - and those four are in fact on thin ice.

 

I think that he may give them one more chance in NH conditions to see whether they are salvageable - if they do not show real top class performances they are goners.  Engelbrecht, Alberts and Kolisi has still a chance to recover their selection by performing well in the three upcoming tests and Super 15 in 2014, but that especially in the case of Alberts  is unlikely since his performance over any Super 15 series has always been so-so.

 

Questionable Players

 

Here can be included especially the Japan club players and players like Bakkies Botha, where Meyer wants to see whether they can still perform on test level.   The answer is not always clear as some may think it is.  Even Du Preez was not really a house on fire in the full tests he played in - and there is obviously no proof that Fourie and Pietersen would make the grade.   However - even if Pietersen does not really impress in the forthcoming tests - he would have recovery time in Super 15 next year - something the others would not have.

 

SUMMARY

 

I do not think Serfontein's position is really in trouble.   He is a class act and has the opportunity to develop further in Super 15 next year.

 

There are a number of positions still up for grabs.   Those are the following:- 

 

Full Back  :  To be contested in Super 15 next year

 

13 Center :  To be contested in Super 15 next year

 

Flyhalf      :   Both Lambie and Goosen are strong candidates - Super 15 will show the way forward.

 

Scrummie  :   If Du Preez does  not show more spark in the fortcoming tests, the younger players would be in a good position to make their claims in Super 15.

 

7  Flank    :    The strongest two candidates are Arno Botha and Labuschagne and their performances in Super 15 will show the way forward.  Both are likely to be in the future squad in any event.

 

Lock         :    Super 15 next year will show the way forward as to who should partner Etzebeth in the lock position.    Du Toit is a certainty to remain in the squad - but the performances of players like De Jager and Willemse may be in the run for  back up purposes.

  

 

  

 

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
06 Nov 2013, 09:38
#5
06 Nov 2013, 09:38#5
 Ha ha Mike you crack me up..Willem Alberts a possible deletion..Ha ha are you serious Mike? Do you believe that shit? Only in your mind is Alberts position in the Bok squad under question!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Nov 2013, 12:34
#6
06 Nov 2013, 12:34#6

boklogic

 

Alberts is extremely vulnerable - since his contribution is extremely limited.   No contribution in breakdown ball recovery, an extremely limited contribution in line -  outs(2 takes in 8 tests), no defence outside of the channel, no ball carries in open play,  extremely limited carries in traffic and missing of crucial tackles in the channel leading to tries for the opposition.  He basically has a serious speed deficiency and arr ive at breakdown points after the tight 5 does.

 

If that record is sufficient to ensure his selection as a loosie - then I will eat my hat.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Nov 2013, 13:06
#7
06 Nov 2013, 13:06#7

Sounds like Sharktwat is speaking a load of shit........no coach is stupid enough to start throwing names about as to who will or will not make squads.

 

 

JJ has been one of the finds of the season and Serfontein has had little game time  

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
06 Nov 2013, 13:09
#8
06 Nov 2013, 13:09#8
 Only thing we have found out about JJ is that he is no test centre..We also found that he shits himself to tackle low and hasn't a creat ive bone in his body!
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
06 Nov 2013, 14:18
#9
06 Nov 2013, 14:18#9
 This was just a joke!I saw Saffex moping around this board and sulking the whole week because JJ has been dropped from the starting lineup. I did expect a more entertaining response from Saffex though!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Nov 2013, 16:02
#10
06 Nov 2013, 16:02#10
Sorry Shark for seeing through you!!  
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