...to use a little Cape language. But what does he know? I fear in his heart of hearts he knows the streak of luck he has been riding is over. Fury will be back and normally that would be depressing news. But the gaping hole we have at 13 has to be plugged.
Mozart
This discussion was under another thread as well. As per normal you got stumped and now opens a new thread on the issue - trying to what was written about Engelbrecht - and your hero Morne Steyn. Why not respond to that one also?
OK - now we are back solely to JJ - the points I raised all along remains - no double talk and no fabrication.
I do believe that there are deficiencies in Engelbrecht's performance. However, I have some doubts as to whether Fourie is the answer. There has been the case where Fourie du Preez with as huge a reputation as Fourie, came back from Japan - played superbly when he came from the bench in one game for 15 minutes and everyone was agog about his return.
Then a few weeks later he came back from Japan and he did not really shine in the first test an ran out of steam in the next one. That was not a vey promising return to test rugby and it showed that players seemingly gets slack in a more relaxed Japanese competition environment.
This is not the only questionable case. The great George Smith came back to play a few games for the Brumbies and the Wallabies. He would b e very good in one game and out of sight in the next one - with injury absences in between. He was not as good a player as he used to be and against the Lions he really was nondescript.
That brings me to the point. Will Fourie be performing well enough to justify his selection for the Springboks or will he be bog ordinary and jo-joing insofar as actual performances are concerned? Nobody knows whether he will be an answer to Mozart's daily prayers to find a replacement for Engelbrecht.
If he is selected you can expect one certainty - even if he buggers up, there will be a praise song like its unbelievable forthcoming from Mozart.
Credit where its due..JJ did silence me in his last game against the AB's..I mean, I was in chipper spirits after Jean's try and JJ's fuck up of a tackle (for lack of better words) on Barrett really silenced me. I was deflated, disappointed, angry, let down but most of all, kinda expectant of that from him..
When I saw the replay I was really silenced...No words for that shit!
To Dave's mind, JJ had a great test and won us the game but in reality, it was the exact opposite.
Welcome back Fourie...Hopefully next year we identify a real option at 13 in Super rugby..Look past JJ..When he learns to tackle low and make his one on ones, he can come into contention again..Even then, he has no real spark other than pace..Best suited to wing where he can use his pace to finish..He is not a creator!
Look let's just get a few facts straight...JJ is going to be 25 in a few months. In rugby terms he is mid career......not young.
In terms of attack Dave is hanging his hat on one incident in 5 tests. The time he stepped Savea. In fact his record in terms of defenders beaten over those tests is 1, 0,0,0,4. And the four came, in part, at the expense of the halftime AB try. He has been all but sterile all RC, and was outplayed by de Jongh and Sadie in recent matches.
In terms of defence the RC stats look okay....but only because of two things. He never, ever defends aggressively....ie tries to make a tackle deep behind the advantage line. Secondly he always gets help. So he tackles high in a flurry of arm waving and jersey grabbing. And about 5 metres later a second tackler flattens the man while JJ is still clinging to him.
But most importantly, this guy is not a competitor like Jean or Conrad Smith or any of the better centres. He doesn't take responsibility for results...just goes through the process. He is a process player, with little heart. Give me a team of competitors, guys like Aplon, any day.
Mozart
I do not know about what is worse - a process player - as you call them, or a physically limited player? The process player will let through less than the physically limited player. Both are weak in defence because the one use the wrong technique and are weak in execution - the other tries the right technique - but is physically not strong enough not to be run over by stronger players or fast enough to be run around by faster players.
Although you may prefer what you call competitors - I prefer neither of the two categories on test level. I think both have serious negatives and - since they normally also have limitations on attack against good defence - the selection of either of the two categories of players are extremely questionable and the search should always be on for better players not subject to the limitations mentioned herein .
What I do not understand is your preference for some process players like Morne Steyn for instance and your dislike of others - as well as your total inability to distinguish the players with physical limitations and their effects on games.
Mozart
Both are terms of expression coined by you to describe in essence players you do not like - I have never come across such descriptions by anyone else. As I understand your discussion above you talk of process players and of competitors. In the first category you list Engelbrecht - but leave out Morne Steyn - and in the second you name Aplon, but thank heavens did no t mention your other favourite De Jongh.
I merely reacted to what you were writing and since you mentioned Aplon - look at his negatives - namely physical ability, especially in defence - since their competitiveness are serious limited by the said liability. That is the same limitation you find with other players like De Jongh and even a player like the stronger but very slow Alberts.
Ha ha Dave you really are a laugh. I never said I had "boy band good looks!" You are the one that tells us of your stunning features.
I never said I had a hot chick. You assumed I would not have a hot chick because I was "thick and ugly!"
Dave, let me teach you a lesson here. If you are going to "slip one through" or try and blatantly lie, please make sure you dont provide contradicting evidence. I thought as a lawyer you would know this!
How can you say you are good looking and then post a picture of your mug staring straight at us whilst you squat on the shitter outside your home. I mean, we have Becs saying what a stunner you are and using Rooipoes' wife as back up but there is only 1 problem with that...WE CAN ALL SEE YOU!! Your mug is there for us all to see so I really have to question Becs and Rooineks mrs judgement and have to make the conclusion that they too dont amount to much if they are swooning over that! Very low standards or they just know their limits!
Dave, I am happy to settle this whose hot and whose not debate you love to have. I am a proof kinda guy but let me warn you brother, you are gona lose. Very badly too...I am no Becs that talks or implies..Im a proof man! With regards to the "hotbird" comment..Show me yours and I will show you mine..Once again Dave, you will lose! There is actually nothing you will beat me at..That much is clear and I can say that with confidence!
BOGTWAT, I know you are thick but as per usual you keep reinforcing the very fact.....kindly point out where I said you WERE hot or that your smelly bird WAS hot.......I merely asked the question.......do you actually understand the difference huh?
You will also find I have said stuff all about my looks other than to say I was better looking than you. Hardly a major coupe given how fucking ugly you are.
So BOGTWAT, how am I going to lose then, prooooooooof guy, whatever that is........have you actually been to school?
Your implications Dave..You imply that I said I was hot and my girl was hot but thats all your surmise.
I will give you a chance Dave. Post your best pic of u and your mrs..I take it your avatar is not your best (not sure why you wouldnt use a good one) so we will give you a chance to save face so to speak. We will write your avatar off as a bad day. Go on Dave, redeem yourself.. I will go after you and you will know the answer when you see Becs slip off her chair!
115kg and 160cm tall is not gona do it here Dave.
Ay, I am in your neck of the woods 15 December..I will keep a look out for your mug!
That picture stands tall?? You think that is "hot" Dave?
Looks about right. You, alone in the woods, no girls in site. Have you just taken of your trench coat you paedophile looking muthafucka..
Change my face?? A short, fat shit gona change my face? No problem Dave..Just make sure you use the same language and insults in person hey.
Whats your address fat man? Should I wear a jacket? I know thats not your thing and I dont wana feel over dressed.
Just make sure your son isn't there Dave..Im sure he doesn't want to see his self-proclaimed "hero" daddy standing "tall" then lying motionless on his back!
Bogtwat, my mobile number is 07538301314, make sure you give me a ring and we will see how tough you are in person!!
Yep Hawk, these dumd SA'ns don't know a good player when they see one.......for them Morne ticks the box!!
Wow Bogtwat are you now concluding that Hawk is being sarcastic? I suggest you read his response again.
Make sure you ring me yellow belly
@Beeno..How is JJ getting better every game.. From his 1st to his last game, he has created fuck all, he has made the same errors on defence that he made in his first game..He will always look good against Italy and Samoa..Its not them that we need to prove anything to.
All the pace in the world and nothing else. CC is 100% right, nothing more than a club winger at the moment. He has no vision or flair. Should we all pitch in for apicnic and celebrate a 38-27 loss because JJ ran around Savea? Fourie is a must until we identify a real option at 13. Hopefully a sound defencemen with some sort of vision and skill on attack. He can run like the wind but the lights upstairs are dim..Do we really want Forrest Gump at 13 for the Boks?
Dave, I would rather have Pat Howard than Howard Mnisi or Elton Jantjies who have been "ear marked" by you amongst a whole bunch of other non-entities.. Didnt you rip into CC for picking Marnitz Boshoff and Volmink for potential Boks and like 2 days later you pick the same 2 players in an emerging Bok young side? I dont think you know what you want Dave but I will tell you what you gona get..A hiding to remember slob!
PS..Hakwa has to be joking. What would they want with JJ? They gona select him then "teach" him to play proper rugby. Surely if he was the finished product he would not have to be taught anything.
AB's have better centres than JJ that wont make it past Super rugby level. Some names that come to mind and my favourite first, Tim Bateman..Skill, vision, defence..He would walk any Bok team I will tell you that. Andy Horrell, Buckman from Hawkes Bay is playing great rugby this year, Fruean, Ray Lee-Lo...All these guys are more solid players than JJ and they cant get a look in right now. Now you want them to have to teach a guy to tackle and try instill some vision in him? You fucked in the nut fat man!
We have more players than NZL, no doubt but our players are nowhere near as skillful. Thats a fact. We just need to play to our strengths which is arm wrestling opposition and making them play at our pace. Hopefully we will see more of the same with a bit of an idea on attack when we do go wide just like 2007 when Eddie whipped us into shape!
If we are going to play "Ellis Park 2013" rugby every game against the AB's, we are going to lose everytime unles our forwards start playing like the AB's and thats not ingrained in them. They are fitter, more mobile and more skillful. We made 14 line breaks at Ellis Park for 4 tries. They made 9 for 5 tries. Thats 29% vs 56% finished off. Not good enough. With all this running space, where was our strike force in JJ?
Yeah he completed outplayed Smith:
13. JJ Engelbrecht – 6
Had a very good first 30 minutes but
fell off the pace in the second half and slipped the tackle on Beauden Barrett when he scored the All Blacks' fourth try.
13-Conrad Smith - 8/10
In a loose game with space everywhere, it is remarkable this man didn't miss a tackle. Saved several line-break opportunities and made the smart choices always when the pressure went on.
Dave you are in cloud cuc koo land.
This Saffex oke is really to dumb to argue with..Saffex, you fucken prick, listen up good now..The way you are talking of JJ in this test would make any reader think the Boks actually won the game and won well. For all of JJ's 97m run, how many tries came from that? Did it ever occur to you that Smith saw much less attacking ball. Can Smith be blamed that the AB's kicked 25 times and the Boks only 10 in the match. The Boks attacked with more ball in hand therefore JJ had many more opportunities with clean ball.
Just 1 question..Are you trying to say JJ is more valuable than Smith?? You really need to think about this one now Dave.
A big reason most these breaks were not converted into points is Smith's ability to scramble on defence. Hell, JJ misses 1 on 1 tackles never mind if asked to scramble.
1 of JJ's runs probably bought him 40m's so dont read too much into that. JJ did not outplay Smith..The opportunities they had were different but believe me, Smith was more valuable to his team on the day than JJ was.
Can you not comprehend that players must be rated for the situation, not against each other. Not the same situations! Smith wont miss Barrett!
