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JL du Preez

Started by Saffolk 13 REPLIES2,754 VIEWS· 11 Nov 2022, 23:44
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2022, 23:44
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11 Nov 2022, 23:44#1
I watched that A game again and boy the du Preez twins were good - real beasts The write up on JL RUGBYSA ‘A’ Standout v Munster: Jean-Luc The Shining Light Jean-Luc du Preez was the best of a bad bunch as South Africa ‘A’ crashed to a 28-14 loss to Munster in Cork on Thursday, writes Quintin van Jaarsveld. Powerful and prolific, Du Preez put his hand up in the No 8 jersey. He and his twin brother Dan, who come on off the bench, were surprise inclusions in the side and he showed why with a strong all-around performance. The utility forward stood out with his intensity and unrivalled work rate, playing with the hunger most of his teammates lacked and looking like he had an extra pair of lungs as he relentlessly bashed the ball up, mowed down Munster runners and made some brutal cleans. The biggest takeaway from his showing was his supreme athleticism. In Duane Vermeulen, the Springboks have a veteran hard man and in Jasper Wiese a blunt-force bruiser whose rugby IQ doesn’t necessarily match his power. Speed aside, Du Preez showed he’s just as athletic as Evan Roos – and has the maturity the rising star currently lacks – and more dynamic than Elrigh Louw, who had a quiet night at No 7. The Sale Sharks star’s offloading ability was also on full display and adds such a significant added dimension to South Africa’s stale attack while a lineout steal in the 50th minute was another example of his athleticism. He certainly gave the Springbok coaches food for thought.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2022, 03:01
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12 Nov 2022, 03:01#2

These small locks  are already 27 years old…time to move on.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Nov 2022, 11:05
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12 Nov 2022, 11:05#3

Dan has potential. Or at least had potential. He should have been the replacement for Steph in 2018, 2019 the latest. It was one of those coaching blunders that really let the team down. Dan has the strength and explosiveness that Steph never had. He has the skills that Steph never had. He also has combativeness. We need more of that psychological hard edge. The team has too many softies, and that's why we can't dominate in areas in the field where we used to. Nobody is afraid to run at us anymore. We used to strike fear into the best All Black sides because they knew we hit and hit with intent. I recall an Englishman, the name escapes me, who made a break and looked up. It was Schalk, and he panicked, dropping the ball. He knew what was coming his way. In the 2007 World Cup, Butch, Frans and Fourie made teams afraid to attack the inner channels. We don't have that fear factor anymore. Opponents attack whomever they like wherever they like. We have opponents running hard into the seams. This should be the most physical areas of the field. The softies are good at one thing though: they take orders passively and operate the details of the plan exclusively. If you want a highly scripted plan, they are the players to go with. They aren't a challenge to your authority, they are easily coerced with smooth words, and they will go with the flow. All hallmarks of weak leadership that is afraid of pushing for real excellence. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Nov 2022, 11:19
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12 Nov 2022, 11:19#4

Rassie was never a physical loose forward for the boks. He had size, was a good player, but not amazing. He would not be in my team of loose forwards in the same decade as others that played with him. 

Korne Krige was a real hard man. Not the smartest person around but a wonderful and pragmatic human being. I’ve met him a couple of times and he remembers me playing against him at school. I was playing for Durbanville against Paarl Gym and we destroyed Paarl Gym that day put 50 points past them that day. We were both open side flankers. It was unheard of for them to lose let alone by so much. But we had a really hard big pack. 

He use to go fishing with one my friends. The same friend who was massive gym fanatic was gushing over Korne physique. 

Korne is my height, he didn’t feel that big. I was 97kg at the time, but I was told he is all muscle. 





DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Nov 2022, 12:39
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12 Nov 2022, 12:39#5

Krige was a good player, and definitely hard as nails. He just wasn't a good leader in my opinion. Or at least he was unfortunate enough to be under a Bok coach who encouraged violence. I know it wasn't a good period for us, but never did I ever feel the Boks were soft. That 2002 team was sheer brutality. It's interesting that Jake White was the assistant coach when the Sharks made the super rugby final. It seems that Straeuli piggybacked off of his work. You're quite privileged to have shared the field with a Bok. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2022, 14:13
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12 Nov 2022, 14:13#6
The du Preez twins are a classic case of coaches completely missing the boat These two are physical freaks - a rare breed - Bismark had it as does Marx and to a certain extent Wiese They bust tackles - also witness the offloading Both far far better options than the likes of Mostert used at 7 I see Moz calling the twins small locks which is a joke as neither are locks. Only thing lock about them is their physical grunt If you want an example of weak little lock look no further than Mostert
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Nov 2022, 14:18
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12 Nov 2022, 14:18#7

In the 2019 super rugby season, Dan was marginally better than Thor and led all South Africans for offloads. In fact, he was one of the top five in the world at the time. Dan is a freakish powerhouse. But dynamism is against the core of the Erasmus model. He wants stale ball control. Offloads add an element of unpredictability. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2022, 21:10
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12 Nov 2022, 21:10#8

These small locks have been tried several times at test level and they flop. Good at club level because of effort and relative size…poor at international level because of speed, hands and decision making. Look I agree Dan might have been better than Dud Toit but so would your pet poodle

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Nov 2022, 21:58
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12 Nov 2022, 21:58#9

Dan has not been given a decent chance at test level. Like Esterhuizen, I think Erasmus has set him up to fail as well. Erasmus only opens up the game plan for his core group of losers.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Nov 2022, 01:59
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13 Nov 2022, 01:59#10

Esterhozen must wondering what he needs to do to get a bit of a run at test level.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Nov 2022, 14:17
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13 Nov 2022, 14:17#11
I will tell you that Mostert is 10 times as physical as pap matfiled. Luc looks the part to me so hopefully will get a chance.I am wondering if we can play two very fast loosies and continue with this attacking style.It was a great pity Deon Fourie was carded needed to see what he has got left in him. Was a brilliant player. 
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Nov 2022, 19:30
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13 Nov 2022, 19:30#12

I am not a bit impressed with either the A Team or the Springbok team.

Faf and Eben have a better game and the two wingers in the Bok side played a fair game and that is it.

Willie is going to receive a "Klap" soon with his aggression after a whistle.

It is more a case of the Goats than Springboks.

Poor show allround.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
13 Nov 2022, 20:03
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13 Nov 2022, 20:03#13

The attack wasn't very good, and I wasn't impressed by either wing (I still have to review the second half). We have the new Erasmus gimmick: The shallow three man second layer sliding around the screen with a two-man run on the outside edge. It wasn't very effective. The stats don't tell the full picture. Protection of ball at the breakdown was very poor, handling was poor. Lots of blind, dead-end runs. Despite the gimmick, there really wasn't much in the way of holding or manipulating the defence. A few runners between the defenders with hit-ups. It was more a case of pools of bodies trying to get the ball wide, very little thought. It's so heavily scripted, and easy to see coming. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Nov 2022, 10:48
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14 Nov 2022, 10:48#14
Bullshit did the du Preez twins fail at test level, with the limited opportunities they have been given they have been good But neither has ever been invested in at test level - have never had an extended run so there is no ways they can be judged as test players Compare that to Wiese who was rubbish when he started but they stuck with him and now he is making an impression One certainty is that the twins have been outstanding for Sale and would be handy additions to the Bok side as they showed for the A side Physical freaks who break tackles - the more of these type of players in your ranks the better your chances
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