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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:39
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03 Oct 2013, 12:39#1

I have to say Mallet and mitchell are a great commentator team.

Ex SA Rugby Mag

The Springboks must build a lead against the All Blacks at Ellis Park before worrying about the bonus point, writes former All Blacks, Lions and Force coach JOHN MITCHELL.

Are you looking forward to the Ellis Park Test?

It was 2004 when the Springboks last met the All Blacks there. On that occasion, Graham Henry's team lost 40-26 in what was his first season as All Blacks coach. Nine years is a ridiculous amount of time for these rivals to spend away from Ellis Park, but we do live in a commercial world.

Now they are back. So what has changed since 2004?

Well, the All Blacks have every cup in the cupboard and are sustaining their performances while regenerating a side that has 11 survivors from the 2011 World Cup.

They have produced very good second-half performances in this year's Castle Rugby Championship by lifting the tempo and building enormous pressure with ball in hand, which is extremely effective against a passive, sliding and conceding defence. (I am sure this group's decision-making is enhanced by 3D learning, but what would I know.)

On the other hand we have a Springbok side that is growing with each Test outing. Will they be fired-up for revenge after Eden Park (where Bismarck du Plessis was unfairly red-carded early in the second half) or are they a humble side under the leadership of coach Heyneke Meyer that stays calm under the captaincy of Jean de Villiers?

I have watched a lot of rugby, as well as selected and coached a lot of teams, and I have a very good feeling about where this Springbok team is heading (John you are clearly a Beeno disciple - no doubt you read my seminal piece about the writing on the wall- a certainty with only the exact timing being in question). But there is still a lot of growth that can take place, especially in terms of Jannie du Plessis's defence, the middle lock throw-jump, the second-half scrum performance, the need for Morné Steyn to play flatter on attack and pose a threat to the defence, the team's discipline, and Willie le Roux's ability to cope with the ball being kicked behind him.

The Boks will not be intimidated by the All Blacks on Saturday and their pressure, presence, and confidence is a potent mix. They only have one hurdle, which is gaining the belief that they can beat the All Blacks, and on a regular basis (Its there they would be silly not to realise they are the better side given a fair ref!).

A year ago I said that the Boks looked up to and respected the All Blacks too much (Nope its just the honourable way the Boks always behave). Now you can see and feel that their belief is on the rise and whatever adversity they have experienced as a group will be used as a strength in their next contest. Seriously, you do not want to pick a fight with this mob! They really care about each other, so well done Heyneke on leading and guiding your team towards realising their goals.(please note ou maaikie and snapster)

The All Blacks are going to face a hectic start by the Boks at Ellis Park and pressure that many of their players would never have experienced before. This is not just another Test match. This is everything about who is going to make a statement to the rest of the rugby world.

How should the Boks approach the game, considering they need to score four tries, and deny the All Blacks a bonus point, to take the title?

Their start will determine whether they can create a four-try opportunity. This will come either through scoring points and building a lead, or forcing the All Blacks to make a lot of tackles that will affect their legs later and force them into making mistakes, which will result in points for the Boks.

The Boks must look to win the game first and build the scoreboard by taking all the points on offer. That will put pressure on the All Blacks. The Boks also need to ensure that all 15 players stay on the field and must not get frustrated when they are put under pressure by the All Blacks.

The Boks must be prepared to work for the four-try win as it's not going to come easy. They must enjoy defending and being without the ball for long periods. They must get just as excited when they are without the ball and be eager to win the next contest. They must enjoy winning the arm-wrestle.

If the Boks can get to three tries, I think they will be relentless in search of a fourth.

There are several aspects of the game that the Boks need to dominate if they are to win:

– Bismarck du Plessis's battle against Dane Coles at hooker.
– Beast Mtawarira's battle against Owen Franks at prop.
– The big Bok loose forwards' battle against Liam Messam, Richie McCaw and Kieran Read.
– The first-half scrum.
– The lineout driving maul.
– The exit-zone lineout delivery.
– The lineout defence.
– Fourie du Preez's battle against Aaron Smith.
– Morné Steyn's goal-kicking battle with Aaron Cruden.
– The defence breakdown decisions and beating the All Blacks to the space past the ball.

Some final thoughts:

While the Boks will want to score four tries to win the Rugby Championship title, in my view winning the game and damaging the All Blacks' belief is more important than silverware.

– The Springboks' start is going to be fast and aggressive. Can the All Blacks absorb this pressure, build their performance and lift the tempo and intensity?

Will altitude, the intimacy of the ground and the fact that it is the spiritual home of South African rugby put more pressure on the All Blacks and increase their error rate if they get fatigued?

– When will All Blacks coach Steve Hansen release his bench to counter the effects of fatigue, and help lift the tempo and intensity? Or will Heyneke Meyer's bench players counter this with their own exceptional talent and energy?

– I almost forgot about the referee! Who is he?* Who are the assistant referees? Who is the TMO? They will have a bearing on this match. No one really won the last match at Eden Park, so let's hope this game does not suffer the same fate (Moral victory for Boks - no question about it). Every stakeholder lost out in Auckland, which was a shame. Now we really have something special to witness. Bring it on and please let 15 vs 15 confirm where each side is really at in terms of their growth.

My  question mark revolves around not having Deon Fourie on the bench. He would be brilliant. Its a pity re Flip but Juandre adds pace around the park and is a good lineout guy.

Boks must also pace themselves for 80 minutes.

Go Bokke  -I ts time to regain our traditional number 1 spot and relegate the abs to their traditional number 2 spot.For too long have these pretenders manipulated the game.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:46
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03 Oct 2013, 12:46#2

Beeno

 

Henry was on the Re-Union programme last night and he does not give the Springboks a chance of winnng on Saturday.

 

Justin Marshall was non-committal about the outcome and Johnson said it is going to be a hard battle.

 

For myself I am hoping against hope for a Springbok win - but has serious reservations about certain selections - it just will not work out.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:46
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03 Oct 2013, 12:46#3

Beeno

 

Henry was on the Re-Union programme last night and he does not give the Springboks a chance of winnng on Saturday.

 

Justin Marshall was non-committal about the outcome and Johnson said it is going to be a hard battle.

 

For myself I am hoping against hope for a Springbok win - but has serious reservations about certain selections - it just will not work out.  

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IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:52
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03 Oct 2013, 12:52#4
 it will be hard to get the ball out wide if morne plays flatter, but the outside backs need to come up much quicker on attack, they were a little on the deep side at times. so comiing up quicker will create intensity and confusion and makes those dummy runners even more dangerous. do you drift and fan out and run the risk of alberts punching through you making 5 to 10 metres or do you stand your ground covering the inside shoulder and maybe get gased on the outside.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:53
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03 Oct 2013, 12:53#5
 "The Boks also need to ensure that all 15 players stay on the field" u said it Beeno! Please try your best not to collect those unnecessary yellow and red cards. Hakwa showing much concern for the Bok fragile mentality . And remember to give a copy of the Rugby Union RULE BOOK 2013 to each member of the Bok squad as it seems most of the Bok players don't even know the rules - don't worry Beens, we have coloured pictures to make it easy for your Team! Here is an image of the Rule Book

Notice they have put a picture of a Samoan on the cover as Samoans are the most Rule Abiding players on the planet. And for Bismarck please remember to give 2 copies, there is a special Edition just for him with extra pictures (especially for those who are developmentally delayed retards)








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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Oct 2013, 12:59
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03 Oct 2013, 12:59#6

Of course Mitchell is saying this, he has to make a living after all.

 

But seriously, I thnk the Boks have a very good chance of winning this. They are playing in their fortress; they have improved; the ABs don't have to win this game. The Boks are still trying to prove themselves.

 

Let's just hope it is a great contest.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:00
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03 Oct 2013, 13:00#7

Hakwa

 

Do Nonu and Retallick know the rules?  Both are serial offenders so I assume they are so dim - they do not understand right from wrong. 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:03
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03 Oct 2013, 13:03#8
 Mike
Normal human: I have collected one yellow card, must avoid 2nd.
Bismarck: I have collected one yellow card........what yellow card?
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:06
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03 Oct 2013, 13:06#9
 nonu retallick, mccaw, franks brothers, dagg, sbw, so'oialo, thorne, collins... the list goes on so many serial offender things in all black rugby.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:12
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03 Oct 2013, 13:12#10
 Higginbottom, Quade Cooper



390 × 285 - thescore.ie
 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:22
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03 Oct 2013, 13:22#11
Hakwa you have lost all contact with reality and one hopes post the trauma of Saturday you will recover quickly.Ihi a flyhalf should vary between playing flatter and standing deeper. Perhaps it s true that Morne seldom stands flat?What is certain is that Bissie and the Boys need to flatten some wee abs - give them a worms eye view of the Ellis Park turf! If suzie doesn't flatten them first. Wonder what they will come up with this time! Bwahahahahahaha
Mike thanks for the contra indication - always helpful in predicting the outcome. Sir Graham is just bitter at being schooled by Master Jake. Justin realises he has to be careful as his objective comments piss ab fans off so how could he possibly say what he really thinks - I mean imagine him saying the Boks will win - he would be roasted and branded a traitor by ingnorant abs fans. Sad but true bru. Johnston saying it will be a hard battle is not quite right it will be a hard day for the wee abs. run run run has to be their motto. The Big Bad Boks are coming for the show ponies! Turn down the sound oaks - you will need to deafen the squeals coming from the abs. Hahahahahaha. We need to start with a few solid rolling mauls where we roll right over the wee abs. Next a few solid scrums were Beast puts franks to the sword.  By minute 60 the abs must be on their knees. The Willie sweeps down the wing, floats a pass inside to JJ who leaves the cart horse conrad in his dust to dot down under the poles. Its 50 points and the crowds rises to its feet to give the Mighty Boks a standing ovation. In the post match interview wee read (Mcaaaw lasts a bare 10 minutes before crying off with a suzie) complains bitterly about the game not going to plan. The ref was to ensure we only had 14 Mighty Boks (Only fair a Bissie counts as two men argues wee read) to deal with and never stuck to the plan!!! How were we expected to win in these circumstances. He even blew us up for our infringements - unheard of. More sobsThe next days headlines in Nz - suzie strikes again!!! The nz oaks were over confident and thought they would win so didn't have time to make up a new excuse. Bwahahahahahhahaha
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:23
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03 Oct 2013, 13:23#12
 Mitchell knows which side his bread is buttered on.... he's never going to tell a SA Rugby mag that the beloved Boks are about to be schooled again by the mighty ABs!
Put Justin Marshall and Tony Johnstone in the same category.
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:25
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03 Oct 2013, 13:25#13
 hahahahaha hakwa you put your foot in this time. the dunny only goes and calls out a new zealander (QUADE COOPER - born in GREATER AUCKLAND) a dirty player. yeah no surprise he attacked mccaw just like so'oialo when he stamp on mccaws head thinking he got a bok and concussed his captain! bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:45
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03 Oct 2013, 13:45#14
 
The two most physical teams on the planet. It's gonna sound like two pieces of raw steak being slapped together.

Could go either way.

The All Blacks have codgers like the injury prone McCaw coming back into the mix. A red card waiting to happen in Nonu. Dagg still struggling to find his mojo. Ben Smith who disappeared in our first encounter and tends to blow hot and cold ... and then the award winning Messam pissed at the verbal abuse of his son.

The Bokke have a second rate 15 who was exposed as that in our first encounter ... a 13 that seems to be there merely to make up the numbers ... a much better 9 with quick service and length of pass that will keep the blacks guessing ... a 5 lock who needs to step up big time with his physicality ... the one and only man on the planet that drives the fear of god into Chuck Norris, the best hooker in the world today, the awesome, the incredible man mountain, Bismarck Du Plessis ... back in the mix to make right his unjust treatment ... and of course a stadium filled to the rafters with loony pissed off Bok fans ... baying for blood.

The odds favour the Bokke at home .

Of course old Teddy would pip the All Blacks. That's a given. A national outcry would have erupted had he not. Uh-Duh!!!!!

Where's Papamoa? ... I would like to hear what he has to say. For that matter Polyboy as well.


   
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:57
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03 Oct 2013, 13:57#15
 all blacks are not up there in physicality. not even close. the wallabies, argies, islanders, england, scots are waaaay more physical.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:59
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03 Oct 2013, 13:59#16

From the experts

The problem(s) with the Wallabies defence

By Scott Allen, Today  

Tries conceded is the best measure of how a team’s defence is performing. Unsurprisingly, the Wallabies don’t fare well.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2013, 15:06
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03 Oct 2013, 15:06#17

hakwa

 

I am not so sure about the AB defence - there was some big holes in the center area in the French tests in June and Dagg's defene was poor all year round.    That is perhaps why Nonu is trying to the heads off opponents.

 

The other player I have a problem with is Retallick.  He is good in ball handling and tackling - but is harmless in Lion out play - that is of he is not really poor.  Last year in Soweto he did a spear tackle as well and his speciality seems to be to take out opposing jumpers in line-outs.

 

Those two are prime candidates for carding and there is also the problem of Read and others making professional errors - like knocking down opposition passes when there is a threat of a try being scored or doing other deliberate professional fouls.

 

The referee no doubt also read the team reports on previous tests and will be on the lookout for that type of thing - so one can only hope both sides play within the rules of the game.    

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Oct 2013, 15:11
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03 Oct 2013, 15:11#18
Cleancut; what is your prediction, who will win by how many points? Give your predicted score if you want.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2013, 15:24
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03 Oct 2013, 15:24#19
 we're not the complete package yet Mike so we hope the Boks take us out of our comfort zone and show us what our weaknesses are. We can only learn and improve from them. We don't want to be complacent.
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
03 Oct 2013, 22:13
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03 Oct 2013, 22:13#20
For a start I never liked Mitchell. As a coach anyway. There is no denying the BOk forwards have it all over us. Far more aggressive, and have urgency at the breakdown. All Blacks should learn off the SA and take note. AB are clinical and advanced in technical skill around the field. But that counts for FA if your getting smashed and blown away by a team that just wants the ball. Nothing technical about that, just get the ball. SA have proved they are capable of running it from anywhere. With a contestable kick.
AB forwards will have to commit there body's to everything. To create any chance of getting our back line attacking the SA defense. NZ backline I think have an advantage over the SA. But our forwards will have to do the work. And by account are looking to strike the first blow. They will want to hammer away immediately and secure the first try. Take some of the advantage away, and try and control the crowd,
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
03 Oct 2013, 22:58
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03 Oct 2013, 22:58#21

 Papamoa..Spot on. Cant let the crowd get to them. An ex AB's team man (not a player, he worked with the AB's) said on tv that Ellis park was there worst stadium to travel to. You can almost feel the "hatred!"

 

AB's have a lot of newbies to this environment. Dagg, Savea, Ben Smith, Cruden, Aaron Smith..The list goes on..They are all fantastic players but hopefully Ellis park will throw them off a bit because it has raw history amongst the Boks and hopefully NZL feel that.

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OleCruzRookie44 posts
03 Oct 2013, 23:54
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03 Oct 2013, 23:54#22
"The defence breakdown decisions and beating the All Blacks to the space past the ball."

This. Beating the ABs to the space past the ball. If I were Meyer I'd print it up and put it somewhere in the locker room.

Much has been said about the Springboks' breakdown execution. It's an area the ABs will target for this game. Modern breakdown play is something the whole team is responsible for. Personally I think the current back row of Louw, Alberts and Vermeulen do have the potential to exert breakdown dominance over Messam, McCaw and Read (I'd like to see some alternatives, though). But for that to happen they will have to fully commit to every single ruck, focusing not on the ball per se but on the space beyond it, thus hindering the ABs from slowing down the ball and counter-rucking. The All Black backs are also quite good at counter-rucking. The whole team spend a LOT of time perfecting such skills in training.

I'd also add one item to John Mitchell's list: Tactical Kicking. Julian Savea has improved a lot in terms of positional play, but he's by far the least knowledgeable of the ABs back three (considering Ben Smith played many games at fullback) -- and this is something the Boks can and should exploit. They'll need accurate, contestable kicks, quick chasers and discipline to prevent the ABs to exploit mismatches from these broken play situations.

I'm assuming Steve Hansen will have to bring the bench onto the game a bit sooner to maintain the tempo of the game. It will be very interesting to see whether players like Kerr-Barlow, Barrett and Piutau perform if they get injected into a game which outcome is yet to be decided.

Can't wait!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Oct 2013, 00:04
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04 Oct 2013, 00:04#23
 Not so fast Thomas!!! Why did you Argies allow the wee abs to get a bonus point like that. Man that last bit of defence was substandard. My grandmother could have done better.You guys were in the match till the last quarter. How is the Puma's fitness in your opinion. Seemed to me if it had been better you may have won. You need to chop some old deadwood?
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