Well, John Smit may well have lied about his approach to Nick Mallett to coach the Sharks but he's back in my good books after I read here that he told Joke White to take a hike.
Joke doesn't seem like the most loyal person, does he? Well done Smittie!
whats the source? jake looks like hes positioning himself for the aussie job. he said he would only consider a test coaching job sometiime in future.
There's a link to the source in the opening post on this thread.
If you still can't see it it's here:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Smit-said-no-to-White-20130625
Ok, but the favourite is Brad Mcleod Henderson as head coach? Smit's old buddy????
As far as I understood Jake and John have a good working relationship together. So there might be a few reasons that I can think of based on that why he would say no to Jake.
1. Jake has a test job at the Wallabies in his sights.
2. Jake is happy at the Brumbies and doesn't want to move.
3. Jake's asking price was not in the bracket where the Sharks where willing to accompany him.
All this news about who was in line for the Sharks top job but either said no or where denied is a bit unsavoury towards Bredndon Venter though.
Venter is a great coach, he did well with Saracens and we all saw what he did with the Baby boks backline. So really the sharks did well to sign him. the media however seem to want to find someone else under every rock that would have been more preferable.
John - Jake how do you fancy a job with us ha ha.
Jake - Can you match this ha ha. Get real.
Clive Woodward spends most of his time on Sky running down the current England coach, in the hope that he will get the England job for the 2015 WorldCup.
"Clive Woodward spends most of his time on Sky running down the current England coach, in the hope that he will get the England job for the 2015 WorldCup. "
Sounds familiar.
Ah! but those of you who don't like him (fair enough your opinion) would like to believe it was Jake doing the asking. It is not the way things are done in the rugby world.
MO(AN), what do you think John Smit was saying "no" to if Joke didn't ask or apply first?
Rooinek do you really believe that he was asking about the sharks job?
Well Ek, if you don't believe the article at all then say so, because that's a different argument entirely.
I can't say for sure if the story is true but in the context of my original posting, your comment implies that John Smit said "no" to a question that Jake didn't ask . . . which doesn't really make sense.
Hi Rooinek,
Well maybe when Jake said can you afford me John said no! could that be possible.
"I can't say for sure if the story is true".....says our most gullible poster.
Well I guess it's game, set and match.....again.
Say Vlag you aren't dissing Sir Nick are you?
MO(AN), the article is pretty clear so I don't know why you're saying things like "maybe this" and "could that be possible" and guessing all sorts of other stuff. According to that article, Jake was interested in the position of Sharks coach and John Smit said "no" to him.
Look, I know you have some kind of family connection to Jake and I know what you'd like to believe, but my initial post was based on an article that is there for anyone to read and doesn't even hint at the possibility of Joke saying "no" to Smit first . . . but if you want to start some other conspiracy thread or talk about some other exchange between Joke and Smit that you're aware of then, then please feel free.
This thread is about an actual article that claims Smit said "no" to Jake, not an imaginary article that has it the other way around.
Absolutely spot on Mozart...any fool who believes this crap is naive and as thick as a brick. JW would not be a fool to leave a highly sucessful and well paid job to take on the uncertainties and fickleness of the Sharks circus and the most fickle supporters...that call for blood unless the Sharks are on top. John Smit might change this and if ever there was was a man to do it it's probably him.
Anyway who would like to live in the rat hole of Durb's with it's litter and polution and the most corrupt ANC municipality in SA... compared to the clean civilized town/city of Canberra...sorry I live just outside Durb's in the upper highway area and that used to be a beautiful country town turned into chaos...roads blocked, all running the wrong way...potholes galore.
I'm planning to move to the Western Cape...where it is alot better.
Wehe! I bet SubstantialBull is wishing he hadn't been quite so eager to lick Moffie's wrinkled old tailpipe clean and had waited a few minutes longer . . . unless of course he's also stupid enough to think that Mike Greenaway is a naive thick-as-a-brick fool.
LMAO!
"Waited a few minutes" this piece was published on June 21 and mostly says Nick Mallet behaved very poorly. If this is the source of the article that Smit rejected White, it's a joke. Don't believe everything you read you foul mouthed gullible twit.
What is that? Does anybody know? It looks almost like a big mound of egg with a pair of thin, wrinkled legs sticking out at the bottom . . . and one of the legs appears to be stamping a very angry little foot!
Waaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Listen, chump, if you want to write Mike Greenaway a strongly-worded letter telling him he's a liar and a fool then go ahead . . . and please, SubstantialBull, if you're going to talk to me in future then do me a big favour and brush your teeth first or at least have a breath mint . . . because your breath smells of shit . . . from licking too much arse!
Wouldn't waste any more words on you...you need to be taught respect... an impossible task...you are simply a damn ugly person with a very weak character.
Sorry, I don't respect arse-kissers . . . but I'm very pleased to hear that you won't be wasting any more words on me. Bye!
What was it he sang again....Land Of My Fathers. No father could feel proud of this fellow.....he has serious issues.
Clive Woodward doesn't spend much time on Sky at all, let alone " running down " Stuart Lancaster, that's the name that seems to be escaping Sharkbok at the moment. It would all be for naught if he did, no-one's getting the England job before the next RWC, and that includes Woodward and Jake White, thank God.
Australia have my sympathies, but, if it keeps him from forcing his CV on England every 5 minutes, then I'd be very happy to see Jake White gainfully employed as their Coach :)
Becs I saw Clive Woodward on TV running down Stuart Lancaster- I think it was during the most recent 6 nations. I am sure he is keen on the job with the World Cup now being in England in 2015.
On a seperate note, I actually saw Clive Woodward at Wandsworth shopping mall, in South West London. He was crossing the street and had a very smug look on his face.
I though about tackling him. Very small for an ex professional rugby player, just shows how small the backline players were before rugby turned professional.
Woodward is a snake in the grass, after his best players retired after the worldcup he ditched the job, and then about a year later was running down Andy Robinson for ruining the team saying that he had been given an excellant squad to continue with.
I got to the same conclusion.
If Smit had learned anything from this episode, surely this is the non- disclosure of job applications- from both prospective employer & employee.
Excerpt from John Smit: "“It was not how it was supposed to be.
But I (john Smit) could not control the political grandstanding of Nick Mallett. And I don’t think Nick, as much as he was putting himself on the market, realised the repercussions it would have on one man and his family, and also the people who supported Plumtree and enjoy the Sharks. How it came out was terrible and the last thing I had planned.”
What are the possible repercussions for Jake White or Clive Woodward, with John Smit's political grandstanding in the media to say that their applications have been rejected?
Jake White is in the same tournament as the Sharks as an oppositon coach, how will his employers and the team he coaches learning that he wants to jump ship for the Sharks?
John Smit has been a total screw up and he is putting the blame on Nick Mallett who used this oppertunity to promote himself as above the position.
John Smit then does the same to say that Brendon Venter was the first choice, and then discloses who the other candidates were that got rejected.
The only surprising thing here is that a man or over grown boy rather of 50+ years old can believe everything he reads!
Thank God he still lives at home so his parents can screen any mail that is addressed to him. This is the type of fool that will pay into Nigerian shysters bank accounts to release him his fortune or believe he has won a million bucks for being the 999,999 visitor to a website!
Ha ha it just keeps getting better Rooinek!
On an equally serious note as that of finding Rooinek help, I think John is trying to walk before he can crawl. He needs to be careful because he will very quickly become unpopular with talking too much. I understand he wants to be seen as reviving Sharks rugby and being a pro active, no nonsense type of guy but he must be careful not to ruin relationships he has built in the past. End of the day, these are the same guys that can help him add value.
Jake White wants an international job. Don't read too much into that story.
Becs, awesome comment regards Jake throwing his CV at England. That would be the hardest task he has ever had to encounter. Take a bunch of average joes and make them constantly competitive! No one within England is gona manage that ;-)
