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Jonathan Kaplan hails Jaco Peyper for stamping down on cynical All Blacks

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,468 posts
20 Aug 2014, 18:45
#1
20 Aug 2014, 18:45#1
‘All Blacks guilty of cynical tactics’
  • 20 Aug 2014
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Jaco Peyper gives a yellow card to Beauden Barrett

Jonathan Kaplan says Jaco Peyper was right to penalise the All Blacks for committing cynical infringements inside their 22 in Sydney last Saturday.

Peyper has been lauded by some and criticised by others for his performance in the opening Rugby Championship match.

The South African referee punished the All Blacks at the breakdown, and yellow-carded two of their players – Wyatt Crockett in the 39th minute and Beauden Barrett in the 70th. He also opted not to penalise the Wallabies scrum in the last quarter when the All Blacks were dominating.

'New Zealand were again guilty of marginal tactics under pressure,' Kaplan wrote on  ratetheref.co.za. 'Are the referees finally beginning to understand what needs to be done to eliminate this constant in their game when they come under pressure in their 22m area?

'Jaco Peyper made mistakes in this game, no doubt, but needs credit for dishing out the cards when they were deserved. It engenders a whole lot of trust when the referee is prepared well, and is prepared to act. Having said that, New Zealand can feel very proud of being able to withstand the pressure at the end of the game despite a numerical disadvantage. How many others would have?'

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2014, 20:19
#2
20 Aug 2014, 20:19#2
 Vloudy
Dear Lady - the AB's does ignpore the rules when under pressure and tries all type of unprofessional tricks - time to force them to play within the rules - I believe.    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2014, 21:05
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20 Aug 2014, 21:05#3
 Ou rooitwit will be very tearful about all this and gonzou the mole beside himself!! Bwahahahahaha
Is the tide turning at last. Seems refs are becoming more outspoken about illegal ab tactics. Then last year we had journos in various countries speaking out about this stuff.
Get the message abs your cynical play will not be tolerated.
I still believe the abs might make the top three if playing fairly. Give it a go oaks.Fair go mate and all that. 
Beeno on the ball as usual and calling it like it is !! 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Aug 2014, 21:38
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20 Aug 2014, 21:38#4
Ha ha, you guys are too much. Ol' Johnny Kaplan playing to the home crowd as usual, lol
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 00:00
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21 Aug 2014, 00:00#5
 Stop being so cynical JW!!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 00:07
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21 Aug 2014, 00:07#6
Beeno: you are seeing "cynical", moles, squabblers everywhere these days. Could be paranoia,  lol  
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Aug 2014, 03:21
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21 Aug 2014, 03:21#7
 "I know why we didn't perform at the weekend," Hansen said. "There were certain areas of our game we were very poor at, and there was another reason which we won't go into here, but that's been dealt with as well.

"We've spoken to the referee about the scrummaging. He put his hand up, said he got the free-kicks wrong. But we can't control [the referee], we've had the discussion we needed to have and moved on. It's about us playing our game and playing it better than we played it last week."

After declaring he wouldn't get into the refereeing issues, Hansen was asked what Peyper had conceded he got wrong.

"Where do you want me to start?" he barked. "The free-kick he felt was wrong and he was not sure why he called pre-engage. The first yellow card was wrong - the ball was out.

"It was a good conversation, I respect the man for his honesty ... he's no different than players -- some days you have a bad day. He had a bad day at the office and put his hand up.

"But I've got to emphasise, it wasn't just his problem. We had a hell of a bad day ourselves so we'll forget about him and concentrate on what we can do."   

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2014, 05:22
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21 Aug 2014, 05:22#8

 Hansen truly is average...


He neglects to acknowledge foul play simple as that... It more the fact the kiwis have ben doing it for so many years they forget how to play the game WITHIN the rules.


RE Hawka's post above - is Hansen saying barret or crockett didn't deserve the yellow??


Both instances were very clear and both within their 22 when Australia had attacking plays...


Anyway hes trying to talk down the scrum to influence Poite this weekend which once gain shows the levels the AIG go to....

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Aug 2014, 06:02
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21 Aug 2014, 06:02#9

 ...Actually Redsman the yarpy ref has already apologised for the incorrect yellow...try to keep up mate..

...he's also apologised for a multitude of erroneous calls...fact remains you were on home soil with the winning Super XV team playing with the majority of the possession and an extra player (or 2 counting the yarpy ref)- everything was in your favour so theoretically Arstralia should have won...

...we even took Aaron Cruden and Nonu off to give you a chance mate...not sure how you fked that one up...

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2014, 06:53
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21 Aug 2014, 06:53#10

 yep brycy - shame the AIG couldn't beat the record for most wins...  At least the boys stopped them doing that...


By all accounts weather looking good in sheepland this weekend so hoping for some running rugby time to see how the AIG go - of course AIG should win this weekend but as I repeatedly say - all the pressure on the AIGs...



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:10
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21 Aug 2014, 09:10#11
 Redsman: how do the wobblies deal with the humiliation & pressure of not having won a game in Eden park since Noah put 2 kangaroos on the arc, lol
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:19
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21 Aug 2014, 09:19#12
"Ou rooitwit will be very tearful about all this . . ."
Baboon-ou, I know you are a profoundly stupid little man but your conclusion here seems stupid even by your unprecedented standards.
I consistently support referees and defend them against all these cheating and incompetence accusations that you snivelling ref-bashers like to throw around (especially after your teams lose). Why would I complain if Jonathan Kaplan agrees with me? Huh dumbo?

CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:33
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21 Aug 2014, 09:33#13
 JW
Plenty of humiliation but no pressure. No one really expects us to win. My Kiwi mate that is coming over on Saturday to watch replied when I said I thought we had a chance, "but its Eden park man"
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:40
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21 Aug 2014, 09:40#14
Claydog: I'm just giving Redsman a hard time mate. Both teams want this win badly & therefore both will feel pressure. 
When you compare this game to the Boks vs Argies game you have to say that wobblies & Abs game will be tougher & both teams will have improved prior to taking on the Boks.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:45
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21 Aug 2014, 09:45#15

Hehe - go the dog - tell those kiwis to get on board the pressure train.....


Kiwis expect to win - Aussies got nothing to hold back = PRESSURE ON THE KIWIs...


Love it...



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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:47
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21 Aug 2014, 09:47#16

JW it is true - most of the aussie players weren't even born when Andrew Slack last captained the aussies to victory in Auckland... but records are made to be broken...


....except by the kiwis last weekend... LOL 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 09:51
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21 Aug 2014, 09:51#17
Redsman: negative fans always go on about their opposition & don't have much to say about their own team. No worries there mate, right?
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2014, 10:33
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21 Aug 2014, 10:33#18

Im not a negative fan - I just love it when the Aussies win and kiwis lose.....


and... im just enjoying the hype before the game which frankly the aussie mindset is a lot freer than kiwis because of the PRESSURE on the kiwis...


The aussies really must have long odds - which says to me they've got nothing to lose and can just go for it...


Pressure would reverse if they pull in front with 10-20 to go....


  

CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
21 Aug 2014, 10:44
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21 Aug 2014, 10:44#19
 Out of interest on sportsbet
NZ 1.25
Aus 4.10

SA 1.18
Arg 5.00

WC2015
NZ 2.70
Eng 4.00
SA 5.00
Aus 8.50

Have to admit those world cup odds hurt. Be interesting to see if there is any adjustments to the market come Monday. Aus into 3.50 and NZ out to 4.00
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
21 Aug 2014, 10:46
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21 Aug 2014, 10:46#20
 Saffas out to 10.00
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 11:52
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21 Aug 2014, 11:52#21
 Lets just focus on the facts

'New Zealand were again guilty of marginal tactics under pressure,' Kaplan wrote on ratetheref.co.za. 'Are the referees finally beginning to understand what needs to be done to eliminate this constant in their game when they come under pressure in their 22m area?

'Jaco Peyper made mistakes in this game, no doubt, but needs credit for dishing out the cards when they were deserved. It engenders a whole lot of trust when the referee is prepared well, and is prepared to act.

Please note the items in bold and in particular the points underlined. This all shows agin how correct I have been in complaining about how nz get away with murder.

Ou hacked waaaugh is building up a head of steam as he quotes that half baked Hansen:

"and there was another reason which we won't go into here, but that's been dealt with as well.

Well he does then proceed to go into it!!!! The yellow he opines was wrong yet Peyper had given the yellow and Kaplan writing on a site where other refs go said they were correct and applauded them due to the cynical history of abs red zone infringments.

But Hansen would have us believe Peyepr went to him by the dead of night so to speak and lamented he got it all wrong!! Bwahahhahahahahahaha 

But then comes the hugely funny part - to avoid being called a whinger he admits there were problemes with the nz game. "We had a hell of a bad day ourselves so we'll forget about him and concentrate on what we can do".

Hansen take the draw - which you were exceedinly lucky to get - on your glass jaw, stop complaining re the ref as you know you coach cynical play, and decide to play within the spirit of the laws.

It is  astonsihing that Roman is going to be the ref. Roman mate do not think your career as an international ref would surive another Bissie incident. Is the money worth it you should ask. Man they should do forensic audits on these twits. 

The pressure is firmly on the wee abs. Playing at home where, probably due to numerous RAWs, they have not lost to OZ in years, to lose this would be a momentous defeat. Dare they risk a RAW. I think they would.

However lets hope the ref somehow doesnt decide the outcome of the match.  May it be a fair contest and the best side winning.

Its all very pelaseing that refs like the courageous Kaplan are starting to make a stand. May more join him and may the wee abs one day finally clean up their act. Is that an unrealistic hope? Probably.

Lastly to that quarter wit rooitwit. Please rooitwit no more tearful outbursts its embarrassing!

PS - hacked waaugh thanks for that hilarious post re Hansen - had me in stiches!! 






























JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 12:28
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21 Aug 2014, 12:28#22

Beeno: you should learn a lesson from SA's ol' mate Johnny Kaplan & admit the error of your ways. Glad to see Hansen was magnanimous & let pied Peyper the whistle happy minstrel off the hook.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 12:57
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21 Aug 2014, 12:57#23
 Hi there JW! Glad you can still chuckle about things.
Nope Beeno is very satisfied that the truth is emmerging re Kiwi biased refs and cynical wee ab play. Kaplan will give courage to other to speak out. This could be a turning point re RAWs.I always remember the stat that when the Boks play the wee abs we get twice as many yellows as the abs do. Imagine the effect of this sort of bias on results!! What else is being blwon incorrectly!Or Dwyers stats re penalties to yellows one super 15 season - 42 penalties to 1 yellow for abs, Oz 7penalties to one yellow and Boks 6 penalties to one yellow. Extraordianry bias here.
Hopefully the game is up but I expect more Hansen like propaganda and denial but it does look like the refs are cottoning on.
We need more complaints and I call on all nations to come to the party and let's shut down nz RAWs.I know the kbbs will be a happier bunch once they come clean. We need to rescue them from the folly of their devious ways!
Thanks 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:11
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21 Aug 2014, 14:11#24

Beeno: there are a few SA bird-brains (SABBS) that are blind & have one malfunctioning brain cell. The current form of medication doesn't seem to be helping , lol

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 19:52
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21 Aug 2014, 19:52#25
Sharkbok: who is that anorexic guy you are using for you avatar?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 23:09
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21 Aug 2014, 23:09#26
 First sensible post you hav e made forma while JW
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
22 Aug 2014, 06:54
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22 Aug 2014, 06:54#27

Yes well Beeno - something you and I have been on about for years now finally seems to be getting some traction...


Its funny because I posted on another site this exact thing last week prior to game 1 and got shot down by the politically correct (PC) police for putting it out there prior to the game...


Well sure enough redsman's posts were vindicated and it now seems JK is throwing hs weight behind this clear and cynical tactic...


I am doing some work for a Aucklander at the moment who I had to call yesterday and he said been very cold in Auckland and was pretty wet too - (noting unusual Im sure) bt it was interesting to her how the media over there is obviously trying to influence Poite over he Aussie scrum.... .

CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
22 Aug 2014, 07:03
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22 Aug 2014, 07:03#28

This on Fox Rugby today. Make of it what you will.

Hansen’s willingness to discuss the rights and wrongs of Peyper’s game contrast sharply to last year, when the All Blacks coach got into a war of words with Ewen McKenzie over the South African’s performance in Bledisloe II in Wellington.

On that occasion, Peyper refused to sin-bin any Kiwis despite blatant tactics to kill Wallaby ball when on attack, conceding seven penalties in their own 22. When McKenzie and Will Genia questioned why Peyper hadn’t done more, Hansen said: “Usually you’re better off to play the game and get on with it, you can’t blame the ref.”

“You could pick holes in every decision made, but where does it get you? It is what it is, you’ve just got to take it on the chin,” he added.

“If they think that’s why they lost the game — the hardest job on the field at the moment is the referee’s.

“They’re getting put under a massive amount of pressure from their own boss, and they don’t need coaches to be putting it on them either.”

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
22 Aug 2014, 07:12
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22 Aug 2014, 07:12#29
 lol... thats the sign of a nervous kiwi coach... good ol' elephant seal Hansen...
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