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Jovial Jake targets Jantjes

Started by Beeno115 REPLIES360 VIEWS· 22 Mar 2013, 14:25
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2013, 14:25
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22 Mar 2013, 14:25#1

Ex Keo

Brumbies coach Jake White singled out Elton Jantjies as the weakness in the Stormers and told the young man to prepare for a bruising day at the office. He also predicted a home team defeat.

Stormers coach Allister Coetzee originally wanted to play Peter Grant at No 10 but an ankle injury meant Coetzee had to entrust Jantjies, whose defensive frailties against the Bulls in the opening game have given the Brumbies the belief he can’t defend.

We will be running straight at Elton Jantjies – inside his shoulder, outside his shoulder and when he gets up, back at him again. That’s it,’ White told the Cape media.

White, typical of his days with the Boks, told it as he thought it but he may just have calvanised the Stormers to rally around Jantjies, whose attacking game is capable of causing the Brumbies problems.(Let ou Allistair make all the plans and then not run at Jantjes?)

White was buoyant and bullish about his team’s prospects and said that while there was respect for the Stormers as a team and for the venue the Brumbies had the momentum and were playing brilliant rugby.

‘We are very confident. We haven’t lost, conceded two tries and scored some of the best tries in the competition. We’ve got an experienced team and they know if they pitch up and do what they have to do, ther is no reason they they can’t beat anyone,’ said White, who will be facing his mate and former Springbok assistant coach Coetzee for the first time.

‘It will be a special match,’ said White. ‘There is always additional motivation when it is mate against mate.’

White put the heat on the Stormers attack and said the hosts would need more than penalties to beat the Brumbies.

‘A lot of the squad won here the last time they played,’ said White. ‘And if you look at the stats the Stormers attack hasn’t been up to it and Allister has agreed that they need to work on their attack. If we can score some tries, they are not going to win with kicks.’

Brumbies captain Ben Mowen lauded White’s contribution in the last two years and questioned South African rugby’s refusal to use White post the success of the Boks in winning the 2007 World Cup. He then said there was no way the Brumbies would give up White and that the players now played for each other and their coach. (Yep we swapped Jake for ou pdv - lost the opportunity to rule world rugby)

He said White had created a culture in which each player cared about the other and that the former Bok coach had appointed a strong support staff, which included former coach Laurie Fischer and legendary flyhalf Stephen Larkham.

These guys challenge his thinking and he embraces that. We’ve worked hard to get the culture right and he (White) has driven the changing of the culture,’ said Mowan.

White’s Brumbies are unbeaten this season and in beating the Sharks set a tournament record of seven successive away wins.

A lot for ou snapster to swallow re White but sorry jake we are not going to roll over just yet. Those microlights had better fly!!! Strangely a loss might be the making of the Stormers as Allistair would surely realise his error if the backs get thumped. Better now than in the playoffs.

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
22 Mar 2013, 14:54
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22 Mar 2013, 14:54#2

Much as I rate JW as a coach I think this is either a cheap shot or a stupid one. Playing mind games like Gatland did in last world cup does never work and sometimes comes back to bite you.

I do not rate Jantjies that much either but I'll more than happy to be proved otherwise...this type of physical encounter could be too much for him. He is certainly facing a really tough test to his true character and ability. No doubt Peter Grant will be missed.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2013, 15:47
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22 Mar 2013, 15:47#3

Seb this is actually a very interesting encounter and should clarify the way ahead. When you play a really on song side like the Brumbies you will be tested and flaws will be revealed. Who is up to it and who is not.

To my mind Allistair has got it wrong but the Stormers will fight hard so who knows. To be fair some outcomes are injury related but certainly a number are not.

 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2013, 15:51
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22 Mar 2013, 15:51#4

This is exactly why I cant stand Jake as a coach, he has learnt nothing from his past. He did the very same thing for the Boks against Ireland, telling them how average they were and Ireland beat us that day, thanks in part to Jakes big mouth no doubt

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2013, 16:27
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22 Mar 2013, 16:27#5

No, Jake is packing the stands and generating huge interest. Allistair will be up all night thinking how Vermuelen and co can intervene.  This could cause gaps elsewhere.

We would have beaten Ireland as wasnt that the test ref Paul Honiss of nz told Smit to talk to his team and while they were doing that he let the Irish score. Later he said he made a mistake. He also gave a very bad penalty against the Boks - a shocker.

The game's only try was scored in controversial circumstances by Irish fly-half Ronan O'Gara. In the 21st minute, New Zealand referee Paul Honiss awarded Ireland a penalty inside the South African 22 and signalled for John Smit to talk to his players regarding their repeated infringements at the break-down. While Smit's back was turned, O'Gara took a quick tap and ran in for five points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was an incident worthy of  Bryce Lawrence

Now I ask you if you are that blatant how about the 50 fifty calls? Yi=ou cant adapt to that sort of refereeing.

Ireland have beaten the Boks 4 times and never in SA.

Jake was right to be confident if the grounds are there to be so. He builds confidence in his players that they are the best. But he may hav gone  a little too far  re Ireland.

Snapster you are clutching at straws. 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2013, 17:19
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22 Mar 2013, 17:19#6

Nope its just Jake showing his true colours - an arrogant man who does not know when to keep his trap shut

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Marty70 Rookie56 posts
22 Mar 2013, 18:10
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22 Mar 2013, 18:10#7

Ha ha and Saffex is talking about an arrogant man who doesnt shut his mouth..seems familiar doesnt it buddy ha ha. Beeno agree with your take on matters!

Anyways i doubt the Stormers will get a hideing by the Brumbies.They certainly studied the Sharks game so if they have done their homework all they have to do is defend that channel and play the rugby they are capable of.

Jantjes has been poor all season so lets hope he uses JW's word as motivation and prove us all wrong.

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2013, 18:59
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22 Mar 2013, 18:59#8

Plebs I'm yet to see a meaningful rugby post from you, why do you bother?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Mar 2013, 19:51
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22 Mar 2013, 19:51#9

Hell - but some of you are pathetic,  Lets face facts - Jantjies is probably the weakest defending flyhalf on Super 15 level.   It is only a pathetic coach that would not target that weakness and use it to best advantage.  The Chiefs did try it - but De Allende did a remarkable job of hard and effective tacking - thus protecting against really bad breaks in the channel.    Real experts knows everything of Jantjies by now and it would not need a rocket scientist to expect what would happen.

Jake is really dead honest about the issue and he says exactly what they are going to do.   I would not take that as cheap psychology - I take it as honest forecast what they are going to do and they will do it whether Jake said so or not.  

Maybe it will be to the benefit of the Stormers - since they could now consider counter-measures,  I do not know what they could do - since Coetzee left out De Allende in favour of De Jongh.   De Villiers will have his hands full trying to protect Jantjies - leaving gaps on the outside - and since De Jongh is a reliable tackler - he is not a tackler that will be able to avoid off-loads.

I foresee real problems - since there is another issue as well and that is the inability of the Stormers centers - especially De Jongh - to play attacking rugby.  Jake also says that the Stormers will have to score tries to win the game - and he was dead honest about it - the Stormers backline is so weak in attack - they would not score tries.

I would rather be warned about what is coming - then going into th game not knowing what to expect.   Anyway Jake knows exactly where the weak spots are in the Stormers team and he will be a fool if they do not exploit it.

 

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Mar 2013, 20:05
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22 Mar 2013, 20:05#10

Hahahaha ...Ou Maaik, what a stitch!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2013, 20:16
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22 Mar 2013, 20:16#11

Is Mike ever right about anything rugby related? He has spent years observing player performances and delivers the same predictable, out of touch, ill informed verdict everytime.

 

My advice is that Mike should spend more of that time in his garden

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Mar 2013, 20:21
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22 Mar 2013, 20:21#12

Even then he'd be against the lonely little petunia in the onion patch......a strictly conventional thinker!

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canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
22 Mar 2013, 20:22
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22 Mar 2013, 20:22#13

I've never understood why opposing coaches do this. All it does is light a fire under the targeted players ass.

 

If this is the game plan, and it very well could be, then it's time for Jantjies to put up or shut up on defence. I'm hoping for a big game from him. These comments should ignite him and bring out the full competitive nature of him. The boys will no doubt have his back. He needs to step up.

 

As for the rest of the game. Mike is right. Or Jake is right. The Stormers will have to score tries to win this game. It's fairly obvious. They will need at least one to have a chance.

 

I see this as a very big game for the Stormers. It's either 2 wins-2 loses or 1 win-3 losses, with the Crusaders next weekend.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Mar 2013, 20:55
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22 Mar 2013, 20:55#14

Thinker is a bit of a push Moz!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Mar 2013, 21:56
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22 Mar 2013, 21:56#15

Hahahaha...more of a mystic really!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Mar 2013, 03:27
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23 Mar 2013, 03:27#16

The two really great rugby thinkers at it again - this time because I dare criticize and speak the truth about two rugby players they favour.  

Saffex, the great rugby expert, who supports non-performing players like Steyn and Hougaard - who even after Steyn was left out at center because he was sabotaging very effectively the Sharks backline - keep on making the joke of himself - by refusing to even consider the fact that Steyn was poor since he returned from France and making a fool of himself for all to see.   As for Hougaard - he was pathetic last year - and when Meyer dropped him as scrummie - Saffex has been mouthing it that Meyer is a fool.

Mozart - the great past tenser - who always without hesitation harken back to the past - suddenly had a revelation when De Jongh - a player who has the worst try-scoring record as a center on CC and Super 15 level  over the past two years, out of the blue scored a try in the CC final last year and then started a cmpaign a campaign to have De Jongh as 13 for the Boks.   When it was pointed out to him what De Jongh really did - he did the stupod and alleged that I was wrong to provide the stats because it reflects badly on my creditability.   

Both these jokers have unique abilities in watching rugby.   Mozart based his whole assessment of any game on one incident that happen during games and ignore the rest of the game completely.  Saffex decides which players are going to do well in advance and even if they flop - say they have been good.   Two real jokers to be quite true.

What I really like about it and constantly laugh about is another Mozart joke.   He constantly use stats o discredit players he does not like - but refuse to recognise stats when it does not fit his book.   Saffex hartes all stats - but uses reporters impressions to support his views irrespective of whether they write bullshit or not.

Normally these two jokers are in real opposition against each other - but in this case they formed a united front - because I am critical of two of their favoured players - Jantjies favoured by Saffex and De Jongh favoured by Mozart.   Really the joke of the year.

These two are going to be the achilles heal of the Stormers tomorrow and they are going to cause a major loss to the Stormers.   Will they ever learn?   No chance of that one ever happening..       

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