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Julian Savea 'probably' better than Jonah Lomu; by LIAM NAPIER

Started by Just_win20 REPLIES376 VIEWS· 02 Oct 2014, 23:23
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Oct 2014, 23:23
#1
02 Oct 2014, 23:23#1

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has declared Julian Savea is "probably" a better player than Jonah Lomu.

It's the most glowing accolade that could be bestowed on a New Zealand wing with Savea's physical capabilities, and yet, after 27 tries in 27 tests, and seemingly many more to come, the praise is deserved.

Hansen fielded a range of questions at Thursday's (NZT Friday) media conference in Johannesburg, but his comment about Savea boasting a more complete skill set than Lomu stood out.


Lomu stole the limelight as rugby was poised to turn professional.

Back then, and particularly at the 1995 World Cup which he took by storm, athletes didn't have the same conditioning and full-time training dedication.

He was one of a kind, finishing with 37 tries from 63 tests.

While Savea is from a similar mould - 107 kilograms compared to Lomu's 119kg - Hansen said there was much more to his game.

Last week against the Pumas in Argentina, Savea steamrolled two defenders in Lomu-like fashio,n but also showcased his off-loading abilities.

He is also sound under the high ball, rarely gets caught out turning to chase a kick, is solid on defence and has silky hands.

Interestingly, neither Lomu nor Savea have scored tries against the Springboks. Lomu failed to cross the line in 12 tests, while Savea lines up at Ellis Park on Sunday morning (NZ time) for his fifth.

"I think he's probably better [than Lomu]" Hansen said.

"He can do more things than Jonah. Jonah was a great player, but I think Julian has got more to his game to be honest and that's saying something. I genuinely believe that.

"He's very good going back, under the high ball, with the ball on the ground, as well as being a greater carrier so I think he's right up there."

Meanwhile, commenting on captain Richie McCaw, who passes Colin Meads' record of 133 matches for the All Blacks this weekend, Hansen quipped: "What he did in the World Cup in 2011 with that broken bone in his foot basically won us the World Cup."

"He's achieved a lot in the jersey and I'm sure when he finishes he'll reflect back on it with a lot of pride.

"He shouldn't have to buy another beer in New Zealand for the rest of his life. I don't think Colin has."

*Who do you rate the better player? Share your view in comments below.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Oct 2014, 23:26
#2
02 Oct 2014, 23:26#2
Some high praise for Savea, hope it doesn't jinx him. If he gets a couple of tries against the Boks consider the jinx broken.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:11
#3
03 Oct 2014, 00:11#3
We need to kick the ball behind this fatty to see how well he turns. Lomu was Slomu when he had to turn around. Breyton Paulse scored many a try in Lomus corner. 
Lomu still made more impact at the start of his career than Savea, both at test and SuperX level. It was just the start of the professional era and backline players were smaller than what they are now days with less time for gym and creatine, so Lomu smashed more defences
AW
Awesome1Rookie81 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:18
#4
03 Oct 2014, 00:18#4
     7 Reasons why Savea is better than Lomu


1: As Steve Hansen says, Savea has more game than Lomu. As devastating as Lomu was with the ball in hand, he did carry a liability factor on defence where he wasn't the quickest on the turn.


2: Admittedly when he first started life as a professional, Savea was iffy in the extreme under the high ball. But not now. He's not in the same league as Cory Jane, Ben Smith or Israel Dagg, but Savea is a solid performer when asked to deal with high kicks. Big Jonah was never going to be able to wear the No 15 jersey. Just wasn't his thing.


3: Savea has incredible hands. There have been several times in the last two years where he's picked passes up off his toes - most notably this year against England in Hamilton. Lomu wasn't bad in this regard, but he wasn't quite in the same league.


Julian Savea (L) and Jonah Lomu (R). Photo / Getty Images.

4: There was never any doubt what Lomu would do when he received the ball - he was going to run. There is a bit of variation in Savea's game - he can kick. He's good at chipping ahead into space and against Australia at Eden Park he set up a try with a brilliant nudge off the outside of his right boot.


5: Lomu could tackle. No question of that. But his size made him vulnerable at times and often his tackles were passive. Savea is a brutal head-on defender - he lines men up and smacks them down. He knows when to come off his wing looking to shut down attacks and he's agile enough to ensure he doesn't get beaten on the outside.


6: Lomu scored a highly respectable 43 tries from 67 tests. Savea is on 27 from 27. On that basis, Savea is the better finisher.


7: Savea was prone to being a little lazy earlier in his career. But not now. He's good at getting off his wing and looking for work and injecting himself into the game. Lomu was good at that, too, especially at blasting into the midfield. But he wasn't as good or as eager to track back on defence and help out the other wing and fullback. Not in the way Savea does.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
03 Oct 2014, 01:16
#5
03 Oct 2014, 01:16#5
Hieneke Meyer was recently talking about how the kicking game of the Boks has become worse in recent years. Also that the All Blacks now have the best kicking game. 
I would like to see a good kicker test Savea by turning him to see how well he makes his way back. Faster than Lomu, but still not proven as fast as smaller wingers with a top quality kicker like Jonny Wilkison etc.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2014, 01:28
#6
03 Oct 2014, 01:28#6
I think this is unfair on Jonah, who basically changed whole games. He crushed the Poms at the RWC95. And I watched him against France in that fabulous 99 RWC semi....the French had three tacklers  hanging on him to no avail. He was immense.
Savea is certainly a fine wing, but I'm not sure Hendriks is any less lethal in space.  
AW
Awesome1Rookie81 posts
03 Oct 2014, 01:28
#7
03 Oct 2014, 01:28#7
 Who would bet against Savea scoring another try on Saturday ? Kick the ball his way to see what happens is a good plan.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
03 Oct 2014, 01:40
#8
03 Oct 2014, 01:40#8
 Lol Savea ain't fat. Besides Savea is more agile and lighter then Lomu was. He has and has prooven he can turn when the ball is kicked behind him. That said though, can't compare to Lomu. Lomu revolutinized the wingers role. His influence on the game was probably the best ever. Physically Savea is compariable but early. Hendricks is a finisher, he is not as lethal as Savea, and Can't break tackles with ease like Savea can IMO.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Oct 2014, 06:37
#9
03 Oct 2014, 06:37#9
Lomu is a legend who as others have said changed the game & helped spread rugby into the minds of kids all over the world. 
I have shown the haka & some All Blacks games to my kids & friends kids from all over the world & their eyes always light up when Lomu does one of his famous runs. True magic! He was iconic!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Oct 2014, 07:21
#10
03 Oct 2014, 07:21#10
Dylan Cleaver lists seven reasons why Jonah Lomu is better than Julian Savea.

1. Because there is no Julian Savea without Jonah Lomu. If John Kirwan advanced the big wing tactic beyond what David Duckham and John Bevan achieved, then Lomu took that idea to the stratosphere. He changed rugby. As good as Savea is, he's adding subtleties to the template established by Lomu. Jonah was genuinely revolutionary, he forced rugby to become more sophisticated defensively - no longer could coaches leave backs to tackle backs while the forwards just took care of the middle of the field.

Gregor Paul: 7 reasons why Savea is better than Lomu

Steve Hansen: Savea better than Lomu

2. Continuing from point one, Savea is better than Lomu in the same way Retallick is better than Meads. Is Retallick greater than Meads? Probably in Hansen's eyes, yes, because he's going to help him win a World Cup, not Meads. Likewise Savea v Lomu. That doesn't make him better, just better for the coach.

3. Savea is yet to create the sense of anticipation every time he was on the field. When Lomu played, you were on the edge of the chair waiting for him to get the ball. Savea is great, but you could argue Ben Smith creates more of that sense of sheer excitement than him.

4. Jonah was the best player at one World Cup and certainly in the top three in another. Let's hold fire on that assessment of Savea for now.

5. Savea is firing on two blood-cleansing cylinders; Jonah played the bulk of his career on one. Not Savea's fault, this, but still a mighty effort from Lomu.

6. No one has made a film or documentary on Julian... yet.

7. We like to downplay the achievements of the past; it makes us feel better about our place in the universe.


BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
03 Oct 2014, 07:36
#11
03 Oct 2014, 07:36#11
Lomu was a physical freak and with ball in hand he was in a league of his own, but as an overall rugby player, skill, defence etc, he was not that special. 
Please don't misunderstand what I am saying, he was arguably the best, but mainly because of his physical attributes, take those away and there was not much left. 
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2014, 07:58
#12
03 Oct 2014, 07:58#12
Well I don't see the point in comparisons like this. Lomu made a mark on the game in his own way, just like Savea will. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Oct 2014, 08:52
#13
03 Oct 2014, 08:52#13
 different Type of players, different Teams, different eras
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Oct 2014, 14:14
#14
03 Oct 2014, 14:14#14
I agree with Hansen, Julian Savea is already better than Jonah Lomu ever was . . . and Jonah was undeniably a great player.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Oct 2014, 14:19
#15
03 Oct 2014, 14:19#15
Agreed Savea is better, Lomu was huge though  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2014, 15:36
#16
03 Oct 2014, 15:36#16
 Neither lomu nor savea have scored a try against the benchmark Boks. So why such a fuss about them. This just shows a good defence shut them down. Lots of nz hype. Good wings but hardly spectacular.
James Small had lomoo's number and who will forget Joosts tackle on lomoo - which probably convinced ou lomoo he would never score against the Boks. 
Savea todate has struggled against us. Perhaps wee beau can give him a clear run in some time to break the try drought? 
Who cares whether lomoo or savea are better. Neither have todate troubled us.
Like to Hendricks score a few on Saturday. Here is a guy who can run with the ball.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Oct 2014, 16:44
#17
03 Oct 2014, 16:44#17
FFS, Beeno. When are you going to stop being an embarrassment? Lomu has stopped playing international rugby and in his career, which has come to an end, he did not score a try against us.

Julien Savea, on the other hand, is a 24 year old who still (hopefully) has years of rugby ahead of him. You can only make these kinds of stupid remarks (Neither lomu nor savea have scored a try against the benchmark Boks), once he his career is over.

As if it not enough that we have to read your constant bloody excuses and whining about bent refs, etc.
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
03 Oct 2014, 16:59
#18
03 Oct 2014, 16:59#18
Savea is an absolute beast, an awesome player but Lomu was just a different animal, so bloody amazing. 
Any supporter who tries to deny the talent of either is living in cuckoo land.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2014, 21:10
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03 Oct 2014, 21:10#19
 Cerudunce windpomp you complete halfwit. I said lomoooo didnt score a try against us. You repeat this as if I havent. You are  the embarasment half wit. Wake up!
"Who cares whether lomoo or savea are better. Neither have todate troubled us". The todate refers to Savea as obvioulsy Lomoooo has long sin ce retired. My you are such a silly oak at times!Hilarious really. 


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Oct 2014, 21:32
#20
03 Oct 2014, 21:32#20
 You are as bad as ou Maaikie and Dawie Kabouter. Read your post again:


"Neither lomu nor savea have scored a try against the benchmark Boks"

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
04 Oct 2014, 13:02
#21
04 Oct 2014, 13:02#21
 @beeno,
don't you realise how embarrassing are your xenophobic comments even for the rest of the boks supporters? you only recognize the SA rugby and despise anything from outside, specially the AB.
Do you even know what sportmanship means? well, here you have an example of it (and of recognition of a great, as Lomu is) from your truely hated AB:

Van der Westhuizen to lead out SA

04th October 2014 10:19

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Icon: Joost meeting with the All Blacks earlier this week in Jo'burg


Former South Africa scrum-half Joost van der Westhuizen will lead out South Africa at Ellis Park for Saturday's Test against New Zealand.

The All Blacks met with the hugely admired former Springbok earlier this week and Sport24 have revealed that he will be play a key role in Johannesburg.

Van der Westhuizen suffers from Motor Neurone Disease and was diagnosed in 2011, when he was given between two and five years to live.

The presence of Van der Westhuizen, who won 89 caps for South Africa between 1993-2003, will no doubt increase the emotion of a huge Test match between the top two sides in the world.

Van der Westhuizen was a World Cup winner in 1995 with the Springboks against the same opposition and at the same venue. He is regarded as one of the greatest scrum-halves of all time.

"I realise every day could be my last," Joost told BBC Sport in 2013.

"It's been a rollercoaster from day one and I know I'm on a deathbed from now on.

"I've had my highs and I have had my lows, but no more. I'm a firm believer that there's a bigger purpose in my life and I am very positive, very happy."


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I'm sure the boks would have done exactly the same.


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