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Just one question on player fatgue

Started by clevermike15 REPLIES320 VIEWS· 27 Oct 2013, 13:09
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2013, 13:09
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27 Oct 2013, 13:09#1

Yesterday we saw a final of the CC where most of the Springbok players involved had  rather mediocre performances.  Vermeulen, De Villiers and Eztebeth had performances they would rather not remember with pride. 

 

Did player fatigue play a roll in the performance of the players mentioned - but also in the case of other Springboks and players involved in matches over the last two weeks.   What do you think? .  

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Oct 2013, 13:22
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27 Oct 2013, 13:22#2
IMO it wasnt fatigue from the reasons u stated, but more fatigue with the stormers unable to find any answers against the sharks.

sharks had plenty of Bok players too, and they looked like they were ready to play another 80mins.

having a decent enough lead like the sharks did meant the sharks were in a unique position to savour and enjoy the moment, while the stormers were digging deep mustering every last bit of energy just to keep in touch.
wellington vs canterbury saw the exact same thing happen, with the wellington boys looking tired with their inability to cope with the canterbury pressure.

in saying that, i do think its a mistake to play the Boks top players in the CC, but not diminishing the CC is very important in SA and the clubs bottom line is not the Bok friendly.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2013, 14:22
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27 Oct 2013, 14:22#3

Sasue

 

Players like De Villiers and Vermeulen had a long stretch 0 having played at least 34 matches in the last 40 weeks - that to my mind is too much of a mental and physical strain on players.

 

However, there can be another reason - that is probably psychological  and is also noticeable even on Super 15 level in the case of many seasoned internationals - and that is to under-perform n games lower than test level.   Habana and Nonu are examples of that, but the re are numerous other examples as well.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
27 Oct 2013, 14:38
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27 Oct 2013, 14:38#4
 where is Beeno? Did the Jake White coached Sharks just wipe his precious Stormers with the old Burger off the map?
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Oct 2013, 19:14
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27 Oct 2013, 19:14#5
Hakwa: rumor has it that beeno is working on his formula to explain how a "loss" is a win, lol
 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2013, 19:18
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27 Oct 2013, 19:18#6
No....player fatigue was irrelevant  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2013, 22:18
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27 Oct 2013, 22:18#7

Mozart

 

Everyone - Meyer included - complain about players being over-played with virtually no recovery time since February this year.   The players nowadays play more than double the number of games they played per year in the 1980's  and earlier - so what makes it so certain that player fatigue is not an issue?

 

Those players who have been out for virtually six months did not show signs of poorer play then usual - it was players like De Villiers an Vermeulen that seemed to be listless yesterday. 

 

   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Oct 2013, 23:25
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27 Oct 2013, 23:25#8
 I can see my mosyt invalualble opinion is being sought by the lost.Oaks I have t osay i was plensantly surprised in some respects. I thoughtthsi loightweight WP pack would have been taken to the cleaners. They were edged in the phyical stakes but not as badly as I thought they might be. All in all if Allistair had started with Malherbe and Rhodes at 7 we would no doubt have won the match. Trouble iou Aliisatir has probably elant nothing ashe is a dumb coach.I respect jake as a fine coach who had no troublein schooling sir John and sir graham those two notab;le boneheads who heads jake banged together.Talk about Etzebeth having a pood game are really very stupid. He was man of the amtch but for the fact he was in the loosing side. I think player fatigue may have got to Jean and Vermuelen but really it was mostly a loss simply because of wee allistair picking a wee pack and two wee oaks in the backline. He may even of got away with the wee backs had he put in the right pack. Too many unforced errors.  We need Dr Venter as our coach or some real coach. But again dont expect any changes.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2013, 23:34
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27 Oct 2013, 23:34#9

Beeno

 

Talking of Rhodes - he must start thinking while playing - he is building up a reputation for all the wrong reasons.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2013, 23:51
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27 Oct 2013, 23:51#10
I somehow dont think Etzebeth had a game that he would want to forget, he was good - it was not standout as most of his games, but he was good
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Oct 2013, 00:03
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28 Oct 2013, 00:03#11
Players sitting on the bench in a big game get all wrought up ou maaaikie and then do something silly. Rhodes would have been 10 times better staerting than the lighweight and ineffectual kolisi.
It was really funny to see bissie doing an ab drama queen stint. I am now convinced we are being badly influenced by the nz approach to the game! 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Oct 2013, 00:36
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28 Oct 2013, 00:36#12
WP should have had a pack of:
1. Kitshoff 120kg 2. Fourie 100kg 3. Malherbe 122kg 4. Etzebeth 125kg 5. Ruan Botha 118kg 6. Kolisi 102kg 7. Rhodes 115kg 8. Vermeulen 116kg

They should also have played Jean at 12 and moved the quicker de Allende to 13. One thing Jean is not and that is an outside centre


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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Oct 2013, 01:00
#13
28 Oct 2013, 01:00#13
 Beeno and WP vs Bismarck

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2013, 07:25
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28 Oct 2013, 07:25#14
Hehehe ....that's a little harsh Hakwa! It looks more like a Team NZ crew member after the final race in the Americas Cup.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Oct 2013, 08:34
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28 Oct 2013, 08:34#15

Saffex

 

Maybe I was just being negative about Etzebeth - because he was so comprehensively over-shadowed by Du Toit. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Oct 2013, 08:34
#16
28 Oct 2013, 08:34#16

Saffex

 

Maybe I was just being negative about Etzebeth - because he was so comprehensively over-shadowed by Du Toit. 

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