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Justin Marshall (please SA, make him a citizen)

Started by hakwa6 REPLIES389 VIEWS· 17 Sept 2013, 16:22
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Sept 2013, 16:22
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17 Sept 2013, 16:22#1

 OPINION: It's notable the Springboks have scheduled their rematch against the All Blacks for Ellis Park - the most intimidating rugby ground I've ever played at.

I'm sure the Boks will be smarting from Saturday night's defeat to the All Blacks, and not just because they got the raw end of the officiating.

Though there's been a lot of talk around how the Bismarck du Plessis dismissal robbed the Boks of any chance of knocking over the world champions, my view is that the All Blacks had already made their physical statement before then.

The Springboks will be annoyed with what happened at Eden Park, where they were out-muscled. When they run out at Ellis Park on October 5, I'm sure they'll be looking to make a pretty serious statement.

The All Blacks were more confrontational, and won the physical battle in Auckland. The Boks will be smarting from that. It will have hurt them deep down.

I believe the Boks were already beaten by the time their rugged hooker was marched. If both teams had stayed with the full complement, I feel sure the All Blacks would still have won.

But the Ellis Park factor could be huge in the competition finale. It's interesting they've taken the fixture from Soweto, which generates more revenue, to a smaller stadium where they've had success against the All Blacks. That says to me they're driven by results this year.

Even the drive to Ellis Park on the bus is daunting, where often supporters push the bus, and certainly make it very clear you're in enemy territory.

On the field it's an atmosphere like no other - hostile and very passionate. No coincidence that the Springboks play better there than at any ground in the country.

They're different beasts when they run on to Ellis Park. Something in them stirs.

A lot of these All Blacks would never have even been there, with the Lions out of Super Rugby and New Zealand not having played there since 2004.

It's going to be a heck of an experience for them.

There's a lot stacked against the All Blacks, especially with Dan Carter and Richie McCaw absent. But I believe they can still win. That's how impressed I was with them at Eden Park.

Though most of the focus from that match was on the referee's blunder with Du Plessis' first yellow card, perhaps it shaded a more pressing concern - the scrums.

We've got to sort these out. I'd imagine the referees are as frustrated as everybody else. It's not their fault, it's the new regulations.

The players are just not coping with the new engagement process and the result is a shambles. Instead of fixing a problem area in the game, it's become worse.



Here's my view: It's a restart, designed to give one team a possession advantage after the other side has made some form of mistake. It should give you the chance to attack.

I understand traditionalists want every scrum to be contestable. But why should a team not have some form of advantage? If the ball goes in your side of the scrum, is that such a big problem?

With the emphasis now on the straight feed, hookers struggle to reach the ball with the pressure in the front row, and teams putting in lose the initiative because the referee tells them when to.

The attacking team is disadvantaged because their hooker is depowered, then their No 8 is depowered as he inevitably deals with difficult ball. All of a sudden it's no advantage to put the ball in, and that's just wrong.

Bugger tradition, I say. The game is now professional, and people need to move on.

The scrum has become a tedious part of our game, sucking up minute after minute with no discernible positive result. People want to watch the ball in play, not two packs grind into a stalemate.

Let's make it less of a contest and more of a restart, so we see moves off the scrum, backline attacks and the ball in play. We got none of that at Eden Park.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Sept 2013, 16:27
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17 Sept 2013, 16:27#2

Justin Marshall

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Sept 2013, 16:34
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17 Sept 2013, 16:34#3

 Read the last bit about the scrum, funny that he endorses skew feeds, scrum is not a penalty but an even contest with the feed belonging to the team that have the advantage, none the less is should always be a contest. 

I don't mind the bind, the hit was a mess and players will get better over time. This shows that true power and contest counts. Its the same as the line out, the oposition should have a chance of winning the ball.

You might as well say that the hooker can through the ball in skew as its their advantage, what a load of bollocks coming from a scrumhalf. 

If memory serves me right, Marshal had one of the biggest mouths on the planet

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Sept 2013, 16:36
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17 Sept 2013, 16:36#4

Let's do a trade . . . we'll take Justin Marshall if you take Bob Skinstad.

 

I see them as being almost opposites so it's interesting to see who wants who and why.

 

Justin Marshall upsets the more precious All Black supporters because he's not in awe of the All Black brand and he doesn't suck up to anyone. He calls it as he sees it and he's prepared to criticise the All Blacks if he feels criticism is due.

 

Bob Skinstad is the opposite. He gushes over the Springboks at every opportunity, he is the most biased and one-eyed commentator who whines and bitches about every decision that ever goes against the Springboks and never says a word when it happens the other way around.

 

Marshall for Skinstad would be a great trade if you ask me.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Sept 2013, 16:41
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17 Sept 2013, 16:41#5

that would never work Rooi - it would be like having 2 Justins Marshalls in NZ complementing each other on TV! A nightmare would be to have Phil Kearns join them to commentate on an ABs vs Boks game!

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Sept 2013, 20:16
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17 Sept 2013, 20:16#6

justin marshall spends half his commenting time retarcting a comment hejust made and saying im worng.

the good commentators are the ones who dont assume to know everything and if unsure will phrase any statments as a question or at least keep their mouths shut, but not marshall, he says one thing, then u watch the replay and he then retarcts his comment and says, nope i got it wrong, yeah no shit sherlock, u always get it wrong, and this ham=ppens in every single match.

dont know why they dont have TJ commentating, hes fair unbiased and dosent talk shit.

and no rooy, we dont want bobby skinhead, but would gladly trade marshall for hugh bladen who IMO is along with greg clarke and tony johson the three best commentators in the world.
bladdens getting a little old though and ive noticed the odd error here and there, but hes still very impartial  without trying to be a tryhard like justin marshall.

i can rmemeber a spXv game this year where marshall was commenting on a highlanders game and one of the commentaotrs made a comment about aaron smith having the best ball clearnce hes ever seen anywhere and could be one of the all time greats like joost and gregan.
there was a long scilence afterwards from marshall, and the commentator (nisbet i think) must have relaised later on, cos he started to also soing the praises of marshals exploits back in the day.
can anyone remmeber this match, i would like to watch it again wpreferbally without sitting through the higlanders season, lolz, :oP

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Sept 2013, 20:19
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17 Sept 2013, 20:19#7

 TJ is tops.

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