Kiwi's....What'd ya reckon?

Ben Franks has probably played his last game for the AB's. What do you think?

Judging by Hansen's reaction of disgust at his behaviour that led to him being sent from the field in a game that could have gone either way at the time, I reckon Ben has signed his early release papers especially with other good props waiting in the wings.

I think Hansen is trying to create a strong team culture and model the AB's on hard rugby men that dont get involved in all the off the ball shit. What Frank's did, although not that bad, probably will piss Hansen off even more simply because it is1 individual letting the team down.

On the same note, I was very impressed that the Boks rocked up to play rugby and not worry about off the ball crap. They just got on with it for a change and that was refreshing to see.

 Beast on McCaw was a penalty and nothing more. McCaw was stationery and beast cleaned him out in my opinion and not tackled him. It was reviewed and deemed to be nothing more than a penalty by coming in from side by all parties and very rightly so.

Nonu jumped up off his feet and propelled his shoulder into Jean's upper body/neck. Way worse than Bismarck's elbow into Messam's shoulder that saw an Oscar performance. That should have been a straight red card. There is no way a player can accidentally do what Nonu did. Sometimes a combination of players ducking and defenders slipping up creates a high tackle. What Nonu did was straight up professional foul and red card.

 What crap is this?? Beasts hit on McCaw was nothing but a penalty for coming in from the side. He would have been well within his rights had he entered through the gate. It was not a tackle. It was a clean out.

The ref reviewed it on the field and was happy with what he had seen. To say the Beast got away with one is saying the ref is cheating as it was not like it was done behind the refs back. The ref saw it live, then reviewed it and was happy that it was just a penalty for coming in from the side. That is the correct call.

Rugby is becoming a fuck up now. People just want to see cards for any thing remotely tough these days. Bismarck's tackle, Beasts clean out and so forth. This is a contact sport. No wonder we are seeing teams score up to 20 points per match just on penalties. Its bull shit.

What did deserve a second look was Kirchener taken out in the air. Now I know you will all say but Habana did that to Dagg. Very different. Habana ran to the ball and him and Dagg just clipped legs. I think it was Ben Smith (not sure) that took Kirchener out and he had run past the ball so he was not actually contesting possession. Not saying it was a card but it was dangerous and deserved a review because there is a difference between hard and no too dangerous and just plain reckless! That boardered on the latter.

We should be watching big men thumping each other all game. Cards should be reserved for only reckless, potentially serious acts of foul play. Head high tackles, taking players feet in the air, punches or professional fouls and shit like that. Not cleaning guys out too hard, legal but hard tackles and that sort of stuff. Soon enough players are going to be too scared to shit!

This is rugby afterall. Cards need to be kept out of it. Penalties are there for a reason! The way things are going, teams are playing just for penalties because 5 or 6 of those can easily win you a game. Its taking away from running rugby and becoming too technical!

 Wardad, you reckon you boys are "great" at owning or fessing up to your thuggery. Ok then, hows Nonu's "bung" shoulder going?? If that was not an excuse from Hansen for some thuggish play then I dont know!

What Nonu did was leave the ground, propelling himself forward to hit JDV somewhere above the chest with no arms when the man was at full speed. That deserved a ban especially because he is a serial offender. Massive history of it. Beast has almost no history of thug play.

What dont you okes understand. Nigel Owens thought there was more in it and it was fucken reviewed!! its not like he chose to overlook it. He was not scared at all to take control of that game! He did it well. Upon review, he didnt deem it a card offence. It was not an offence that should have seen the Boks down a man and potentially ruin the game. Messam and the AB's were warned repeatedly about breakdown infringements until Owens had nowhere to turn. Ben Franks stiff armed a player and it was a call from the assistant ref.

The fact Owens chose to review the Beast incident is proof that he did wana get the call right otherwise he may have said I have seen it, nothing more than a penalty.

That is why I say, if you are saying Owens got it wrong, you are accusing him of cheating. I see someone here wrote about Poite reviewing it and getting it wrong still. That is incorrect. Poite clearly said, "I have a decision on the tackle. I want to see what happened after that!"

He made up his mind purely based on crowd reaction and because Dan Carter was injured. He, unlike Owens, had fuck all control of that match and it was a circus that ultimately decided the Championship for 2013.

Has the Beast been cited?? I have not heard anything yet. If he has not been cited, are the citing commisioners cheating too? It was nothing more than a penalty for a ruck entry from the side. Owens got it right. Nothing dangerous in that. If there were, we must do away with contact in rugby and play tag rather. Rip a cloth out the guys pants and thats a tackle!

 C'mon guys you know better than to argue with a woman. I think that still applies with gender reassignment (?)

Any cheap shot like the one seen on McCaw gives any Springbok automatic folk hero status.

Speaking of folk hero status was hilariious to see Bismark get subbed on Saturday after being found out to be a dud after all.

The referee should be applauded though for giving SA every opportunity to win.

Yellow carding two of our players showed NZ will go down as the greatest rugby team ever for years to come. Despite SA having home ground advantage and with that big forward pack that was going to pummel us,we overcame all they had with a rock solid defence and kicked their arses with only 14 men.

The Mighty All Blacks.....Legends.

 Where's the citing then? If the ref got it wrong, where is the citing? Answer me that guys. Ref got it 100% right. Penalty and nothing more.

Black Adder you dont post often and I can see why. Dumb as fuck. Bismarck is the best hooker in the world bu some distance and you call him a dud. Sasuke is also proving to be a bit "rugby stupid" now because this was not a game for the forwards. It was a running game. In a way, we did not see the forwards dominate the test match like we usually do when AB's meet Boks. This was more an Aussie v NZL style game that is usually a better spectacle than a hard fought, big collisions game that is a Bok v AB test.

It was not a great day to be a forward and thats why Bizzy was taken out of the game a bit and could not reproduce his form of Eden Park where conditions were a little wet and game was tighter. Ball was been tossed side to side and end to end. How do you expect a hooker to be at every breakdown. 

I have no doubt if SA played the way they usually do, we would have come out with a tight win but not the 4 tries. Hats off to them though as they chased the cup and not just a win. We could have kept the game tight and smashed your forwards all day long, whilst making them play to our tempo until they could not take anymore smashing at altitude. What ended up happening was we tried to play NZL at their own game and we ran out of steam. We did not select a forward pack for the mobile game and that was a big mistake. Far too much beef to carry around for 80 mins at high tempo. It is not a tempo we are used to playing for 80 mins and that showed. NZL are a lot more versed at 80 mins of running rugby and that showed too.

Had we just needed a win, I am certain our normal suffocating game plan would have brought us a result because NZL backs were not that great. I saw nothing from Nonu and Smith or even Cruden. Your tries came off shit defence and missed 1 on 1 tackles. All part and parcel of playing a looser more expansive game. Our boys have not had enough practice at that and it showed. We usually have rock solid defence. It doesn't just suddenly change for no reason! Had we stuck to our normal structures, we might not have missed so many tackles and result would have been different. No doubt.

 Boklogic-Speaking of dumbfucks, was just reading your prediction for the game. LOLZA

Talk about dumb blonds. You gotta be the original dumb blond joke.

De pussy the best hooker in the world another funny one, a rainbow nation joke i think.

Love all your excuses- so fucken many you should write a book .

 But the truth is you sucked. Your forwards are overweight and need to spend more time in the gym . Something to do with the obesity epidemic i think.

Etzabeth was your best player pity you can;t clone him and then SA might have half a chance .....against the best in the business, world champions for many years to come...the MIghty All Blacks.

 Black Adder, you are not worth arguing with because you have no substance. You make remarks with nothing to back it up.

Please, old wise one, tell me who is the best hooker in the world?

I will give you a clue, dont waste your time looking within NZL. You wont find it there.

You name one hooker that has as much positive influence on a game than Bizzy. He makes tackles, steals balls, hardly loses a lineout, makes big carries and inspires those around him. Who you got? Dane Coles?? Give us a fucken break you knob!

 Rougerie's EYE GOUGE and HEADBUTT, Thorn's SPEAR TACKLE, Nonu's NO ARMS SHOULDER TACKLE, Waugh's SWINGING FOREARM

Beast's clean out of McCaw?? Can you see the difference Sasuke Itchyballe. I dont suppose you can because you the same man who finds it hard to believe that the fat and useless Sione Lauaki has family members in Auckland.

How much more proof do you want. You know I got proof for you. Do you want me to get hold of Nigel Owens number for you so you can call him and get some clarity on that decision too??

No you wont because you are a talker and thats about it.

You should get out more to Sas. I mean, if meeting "celebrities" like Sione's family member seem unreal to you, you have lived a very sheltered life. You know I also stood next to Sir John Kirwan on the train heading to Eden park for the test match. Had a long chat with the man! New found respect for him!

Sasuke, where did I ever say "The All Blacks are on illegal substances?" I clearly said Saia told me that Sione was in bad shape due to shit he was taking in his playing days. Performance enhancers..What does performance enhancers mean to you?? Clearly steroids.

You dont have to believe me but I gave you the info you needed on a platter. What you chose to do with it is up to you but who is really the dumb one? You bang on about it but have you made that call? I made it really simple for you but seems its still too complex for a talker like you. I am sure you will get the same info I did. Ask him to see some pics of the fat slob too.

If you tell me you have a pot of gold buried and I say you are out of your mind then you give me directions to it but I fail to check and just carry on like an idiot about how you are talking shit and so on, who is really the idiot?

Reading some of the healt news surrounding him on the net, is Saia really wrong and would Sione have been the only guy in the squad "dabbling" in some performance enhancing shit? I think not!

Do your research Sasuke. I dare you or shut the fuck up.

I love all your posts and talk about the All Blacks like they are some sort of reflection of your character. At the end of the day, its nothing more than a rugby game that will take place again next year and years after we are gone. You think you are "above" others on here because the All Blacks are winners! Are you a winner Sas? Are you an All Black?

You should concentrate on being a winner in your own life. Rugby is not going to help you any buddy!

You love to bang on about Bok supporters and excuses. Do you realise it was NZL that "invented" rugby excuses. Cant lose a game without being sick. England last year you guys were absolutely fucked up (SA won by the way) but you were all miraculously sick the week leading up. Just like 95' WC final. You are knocked out of the 07' WC and Wayne Barnes gets the blame when 4 years on, the French just proved they are the better team in WC finals. The shoe was on the other foot this time and the ref did everything he can to ensure the French didn't blitz you guys again but I dont hear you complaining about the refs performance then when it benefits you. Double standards?? Rugby in NZL is fast becoming a joke. Teams must come to NZL knowing that they are not going to get a fair game. Never gona happen!