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Kiwi Tony Brown joining Boks

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:24
#1
28 Jan 2024, 21:24#1
As the new attack coach according to the Rapport And Jerry Flannery the Irishman is set to be the Bok defence coach
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:35
#2
28 Jan 2024, 21:35#2

Boks’ attack coach under Eluckmiss? Talk about a non job….I guess Tony will be teaching variations in the box kick.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:42
#3
28 Jan 2024, 21:42#3
He will be joining the number 1 side in the game - back to back WC winning side
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:47
#4
28 Jan 2024, 21:47#4

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:49
#5
28 Jan 2024, 21:49#5



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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:49
#6
28 Jan 2024, 21:49#6
Who now apparently need an overseas attack coach…’gather round chaps there is this technique called an offload’
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:49
#7
28 Jan 2024, 21:49#7

Is that Tony arriving?

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:50
#8
28 Jan 2024, 21:50#8

Summary of the 2024 Springbok’s Home Fixtures (kick-offs at 17h00):
Sat. 6 July, SA vs Ireland, Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Sat. 13 July, SA v Ireland, Hollywood Bets Kings Park, Durban
Sat. 20 July, SA v Portugal, tba
Sat. 31 Aug, SA v NZ, Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg
Sat. 07 Sep, SA v NZ, DHL Cape Town Stadium, Cape Town
Sat. 28 Sep, SA v Argentina, Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:56
#9
28 Jan 2024, 21:56#9
What’s wrong with bringing in a Kiwi - he is replacing Felix Jones - hardly a Saffa now is he? Flannery is replacing Neinaber
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jan 2024, 21:59
#10
28 Jan 2024, 21:59#10
Nothing wrong with em two but I prefer our homies ............ Jean & Jacques defenceMatfield & Thor forwards.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Jan 2024, 22:07
#11
28 Jan 2024, 22:07#11
No coaching experience there other than Fourie with a bit at the Lions
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Jan 2024, 22:25
#12
28 Jan 2024, 22:25#12
If this is set to happen, then it’s good news….Tony Brown and Jerry Flannery will bring new Dimensions to our play if allowed to apply themselves properly…this is a positive step….will Duane still be involved? And will stick be assistant to Tony?
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
28 Jan 2024, 22:54
#13
28 Jan 2024, 22:54#13

The Boks have been needing an attack coach for some time. We have all been calling for a specialist attack coach.
Stick is a transformational member who needs to prove he has a clue at lower levels of the game

South Africa produces coaches more suited to forward and defence play, with a few exceptions like Swyss Debriyn

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 Jan 2024, 00:38
#14
29 Jan 2024, 00:38#14

'Brown is no stranger to South Africa. As a player, he represented both the Sharks and Stormers at Super Rugby level before he retired and started his coaching career.

Since then he has earned a reputation as an innovative attack coach, and he could bring a different dimension to the Springboks’ attacking play if he is appointed to their coaching staff.'

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2024, 06:30
#15
29 Jan 2024, 06:30#15

The fact s that Mozart is going  of his trolley totally again.    The fact si that SA played poor attacking  play in all years since 1992 depends entirely ion penalty conversions.   and they always struggled to score tries in that period  scored tries and depends on penaltuy conversions only.   The fact is that the onluy period when try scoring was regarded was in 1997 when Du Plessis put together a squad emphasizing  try scoring as important and that squad was taken voer by Mallet.  and used until 1999  when Mallett ahd to amke changes to teh  squad and he failed in doing it.

The next effort came from White when he brought Eddie Jones  on board in 2007 for the WC tournament and that did not help much - because the total emphasis ws on forward play and panelty klicking in that series.   

A f ter that followed the dark days of De Villiers, Meyer and Coetzee as coaches with no ideas about attacking play.

Part of the problem was that the loosies were regarded as an extension of the Tight 5 and could never be participants in attacking play per se.    Erasmus started towards a new approach and the loosies became more part of attacking play in 2018 and 2019,   - but then things start going wrong  again in 2022 nd 2023.    

Brown is a better attacking coach than Jones used to be.    The problem was that Jones operated from Dublin and his main task was to report on player performances in the case of Springboks and potential Springboks playing for NH clubs and keep contact with them.   The appointment of Brown  would bring back the Springboks attacking performances of 2018 and 2019.        

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Jan 2024, 06:57
#16
29 Jan 2024, 06:57#16

Brown was a fine attacking flyhalf in his day and now has a reputation as a great attack coach. Rassie looks to have made an astute  choice.

Mozzie has his usual reflex action which is always anti Rassie.. Poor guy can't get over the fact Rassie rubbed his noze in it. 

We have tremendous potential in our backline. We saw last year some brilliant tries etc. Hopefully Brown can help the Bok attack up a level. 

I think Rassie winning a third consequetive RWC would see Mozzie having to be put in a straight jacket and taken off to the nearest loonie bin. 


MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
30 Jan 2024, 03:54
#17
30 Jan 2024, 03:54#17
Good to see the Boks have finally recognised their shortcomings in back play and have come over to the good side Hasbeeno…..
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Jan 2024, 08:10
#18
30 Jan 2024, 08:10#18

Well if Brown helps us improve I will forgive the KBBS a lot but not all! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 16:16
#19
30 Jan 2024, 16:16#19

Clearly we need Brown….we can’t rely on Pollard forever.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 18:27
#20
30 Jan 2024, 18:27#20
Scored more tries than France and England and the same against Ireland this WC and a packet full of tries against NZ at Twickers There is fuck all wrong with our attack. Only rugby ignorance would tell you differently, the same ignorance that has a single player winning you matches in the ultimate team sport that is rugby
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
30 Jan 2024, 18:42
#21
30 Jan 2024, 18:42#21
The Boks have shown good backline play over the years, but often this has been down to individual brilliance than structured planned team moves. For example Habana, Kolbe, Ardense etc.
Remember when most of Super Rugby SA teams used to score most of their tries from driving mauls, or pick and go? The backline play consisted of crash ball.

In recent years,The backline play has improved in South Africa   - as seen by the regional teams scoring more backline tries.
However, the Boks still need more structured backline moves - especially with the loss of Willie Leroux. Libbok could be deadly on attack with well drilled backline attack.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 18:54
#22
30 Jan 2024, 18:54#22
Brown has some exciting talent to work with in Fassi , Kolbe, Arendse, Green, Am, Moodie, Willemse, David Kriel, Libbok, Sacha, Williams and Nohamba
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Jan 2024, 01:39
#23
31 Jan 2024, 01:39#23

So what exactly is Rassie alluding to when choosing an overseas backline coach as opposed to a local? The simple truth is that there isn't one good enough in his opinion. 

And is he signaling a change of style and pattern of play? Obviously he knows that the RWC style of play hasn't worked in the RC and that it's a case of horses for courses, a square peg doesn't fit a round hole and that unlike the RWC the RC rewards the amount of tries scored with bonus points.

Rassie has moved in the right direction.



KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
01 Feb 2024, 09:47
#24
01 Feb 2024, 09:47#24

Not a bad call to bring Tony Brown into the coaching setup. Looking at how Japan did and continues to grow is a testament. That said, just hope Rassie doesn't follow other coaches by trying to be too smart. It will be really difficult to change the bok DNA when the entire team has a defensive mindset. We saw what happened to Coetzee when he wanted to be flashy. 

That said, we have some amazing talented players. Would be great to unleash the likes of Willemse, Moodie, Arendse, Kolbe etc. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Feb 2024, 10:01
#25
01 Feb 2024, 10:01#25

I agree with Dave, there has been nothing to wrong about our attacking play. Brown might be able to lift attack performance and if course as Bok supporter I hope he does. 

I also trust our incredible defensive ability will not erode. 

Mozzie is learning about how rugby is a team game and that a team can earn a scrum penalty which when converted wins a game. All Mozzie sees is the penalty conversion and not the precedents. (Bit like his absurd take on the Ukraine war. The loon thinks one fine day Putin woke up and decided out of the blue to send troops into Ukraine. The guy has lost his marbles or is lying) . 

You would think all this is very obvious. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:37
#26
01 Feb 2024, 14:37#26

No I see the similar penalty the French forwards created….when Ramos missed. And I say to myself  these teams created exactly the same opportunities, why did we win? And then, not being a stupid mong who can’t handle logic, it’s apparent to me the difference was our kicker made the penalty, theirs didn’t.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:52
#27
01 Feb 2024, 14:52#27

"I agree with Dave, there has been nothing to wrong about our attacking play. " 

Thanks largely to moments of brilliance by individuals like Willemse, Kolbe, Arendse, Moodie and Willie.

...as opposed to cumulative backline combinations that spread the opposition thin.

Scotland - Manie's snipe no-look kick

Ireland - Nice set-move to put Kolbe in the corner

France - Arendse collects a loose ball

            - DDA Scores at the end of a loose ball collection

            - Kolbe Scores after PSDT pops Kriel a loose ball which is then grubbered to Kolbe

            - Eben scores off of some forward dominance

England - RG Snymyan is put in after a lineout close to the English line


Those are all the tries we scored against good opposition in the WC.

Almost everything is the result of forward dominance and individual moments of brilliance. 



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2024, 17:44
#28
01 Feb 2024, 17:44#28
Plum stop speaking crap - provide evidence of other sides using their back lines to spread the opposition thin
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Feb 2024, 05:59
#29
02 Feb 2024, 05:59#29
Of course I excluded the Romanian and Islander games from the above because they suck. But when you look at the scores against good opposition... 7 tries; 2 Scored by forwards 3 Scored off of collecting loose balls 1 Set move scored by the backs 1 Scored from a direct kick collection Those are the facts, Saffex. When you look at the dominance our forwards manage, game after game, one would assume that our backs have one of the best platforms in rugby to express themselves of off. But the our try scoring methods don't reflect that. None of the tries we scored were the result of a back hitting a gap, being supported with a good running line and then scoring. Our scores were all snipes, counters off of scraps, or forward dominance. All saying is that a good attacking coach, and a bit more freedom, is very welcome.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Feb 2024, 06:47
#30
02 Feb 2024, 06:47#30

We feast on their errors

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Feb 2024, 07:04
#31
02 Feb 2024, 07:04#31

Our pressure forces the errors.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Feb 2024, 07:22
#32
02 Feb 2024, 07:22#32

Yep we've have a lekker offensive defence.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Feb 2024, 08:39
#33
02 Feb 2024, 08:39#33

Our weapons of mass destruction is the scrum, penalties, lineout, penalties, rolling maul....penalties.

However, some of the weapons were neutralised and rendered ineffective it's only the scrum that proved effective.

The Boks don't score tries from set play for that we have to thank individual brilliance.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Feb 2024, 10:16
#34
02 Feb 2024, 10:16#34
The sample size is 7 tries and you guys still can't see the wood for the trees. Two of the loose ball collections were from high kicks and the resultant chaos. Literal luck of the bounce. Kriel's jab to Kolbe was the only true error(a spilled ball) that we scored countering though pressure. The rest were all forward tries and snipes. So 14.29% of tries resulted from capitalising on forced errors. ...hardly bread and butter.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Feb 2024, 12:12
#35
02 Feb 2024, 12:12#35
But Plum the opposition’s stats will be the same
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Feb 2024, 20:42
#36
02 Feb 2024, 20:42#36
Are they? Because the very first game I watched in order to reply to this was the AB vs Ireland game. The try the ABs scored... ABs receive a long kick, run it out of their half, Barrett gathers his own chip, the backs are there immediately in support, the ball goes down the line and they score in the corner. Two phases of backline play and about 65m for the try. So we know the ABs stats aren't the same. And then I look at the Irish try in the same game... Multiple phases, the backs spread the ball to both corners and eventually the best 12 in the game, Aki, gets through for a score. So we know the Irish stats aren't the same either. We have two tries, both created by the backs. Not sniping, no masses of forward dominance to get over the line. Just good clean outs and great phases strung together by the backs. Shall I watch a Frecnch game to prove their stats aren't the same either?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Feb 2024, 20:49
#37
02 Feb 2024, 20:49#37

Rugby is becoming like sailing where kiwis are playing key roles for other nations! It's a consequence of the professional international game. We will have to see if he's a good fit for the Boks .

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Feb 2024, 20:53
#38
02 Feb 2024, 20:53#38

Howzi JW...don't step innit!¡

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Feb 2024, 21:58
#39
02 Feb 2024, 21:58#39
Hi DB, all’s well, looking forward to the Kiwi rugby kick off later this month. We will have to see how Robertson does with the ABs. Super rugby isn’t the same without the SA teams but we will adjust.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Feb 2024, 05:09
#40
03 Feb 2024, 05:09#40

Ja, I miss the S14...URC is not bad, but it's not the same... the conference system, post S14 killed SR.

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