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KP the misunderstood maverick

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 11:04
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Maverick, innovator, game-changer, big-hitter, showman - accolades that Kevin Pietersen has lapped up ever since he decided to up sticks from his native South Africa and try his luck in England.

But when the axe fell on his decade-long England career following last winter's 5-0 Ashes humiliation, everyone involved in the gentleman's game knew that the one thing Pietersen was not capable of was staying tight-lipped.

A gagging order imposed by the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) might have kept waters calm for eight months but this week a tsunami of accusations have been unleashed ahead of the launch of Pietersen's biography - KP - with the explosive revelations matching his blistering batting style.

Tales of betrayal, back-stabbing, playground bullies, coaching tyrants and unfair dismissals span 317 gripping pages in the book and in the process have ripped the heart out of English cricket.

Pietersen accused former coach Andy Flower "of ruling by fear", while teammates Matt Prior, Graeme Swann and Stuart Broad were accused of bullying other members of the team.

But despite the abrupt ending to his career, with Pietersen claiming he was made a scapegoat for voicing concerns about the workings of the team, the 34-year-old has no regrets about his decision to represent England rather than the land of his birth.

Sporting a rainbow-coloured loom band made by "my boy" – his four-year-old son Dylan – on his right wrist and a black diamond pendant he bought in India around his neck, Pietersen sat down for a chat with Reuters on Wednesday to discuss why he is such a polarising figure.

And why the ECB "can't have the maverick ... who does extraordinary things on the field and then have a choir boy off it".

REUTERS: Do you feel betrayed by England?

PIETERSEN: "No, no, no, I had an unbelievably amazing career. I don't feel betrayed at all. It's the only route I have known, here in England. An opportunity to come to England, to play professional cricket, I didn't believe or realise that I'd end up with a career that I've had. I've lived the dream for years and years and years.

"It's a question about betrayal because of some little patches where I've been unhappy and a few things that have gone wrong.

"But the majority of the time it's been amazing. Absolutely amazing.

"I've played cricket all around the world. I've played at Lord's, Surrey's my home ground, I've played at all the South African grounds, the Indian grounds, the West Indian grounds, Sri Lankan grounds, the New Zealand grounds, the Australian grounds. You name it, I've been there.

"I've ticked all the boxes and I've won so many trophies with England. Why on earth would I sit here and say I have been betrayed? No chance."

REUTERS: You are the highest run-scorer for England, you are known as an innovator in cricket with the switch hit and the public still rate you highly - was it simply a clash of personalities or jealousy or misunderstandings that caused things to go so wrong with your some of your England teammates?

PIETERSEN: "We'll leave the teammates out of this for now and we'll just talk about the coach (Flower). The coaching issue was a big issue. The coach didn't like me. Coach wanted me out. At any opportunity that he got he would collect his notes and he'd eventually get me one day. It's incredibly unfortunate that it ended the way it ended. But I had an amazing journey."

REUTERS: But you've said in the book the teammates played a part in it.

PIETERSEN: "The teammates played a part in it because they were allowed to play a part in it. But a decent man manager, a decent coach would have sorted the situation out and none of this would ever have happened. If a great coach was in charge of England, none of this would have happened."

REUTERS: What is your reaction to the leaked ECB document? Some of the accusations made against you are that:

*You disobeyed "express instructions" to not to stay out late before the Adelaide test.

*You were "looking to do anything to go home" if England lost the third test in Perth

*And that you made a number of disparaging comments that undermined team morale

PIETERSEN: "It's embarrassing that a board can actually send stuff like that, leak it and then say no, no, no, no, no, no, no - it's been copied and pasted and this and that. On social media you can see how it went down with the public, I've got no interest in commenting on it. It's just one of them situations when you let the public decide for themselves."

REUTERS: There have been numerous South-African born players who have represented England, why do you feel you polarise opinion so much?

PIETERSEN: (Loud sigh, takes a deep breath and stares at ceiling for a few seconds thinking about his answer) "I don't know, I haven't got a clue. It's maybe the way that I played. Maybe the way I played the game. Maybe the weight of expectation that I carried every single time that I batted. So on days I was going to let people down and people were going to be so frustrated with me. On other days I was going to make people so happy with stuff that I did.

"(In a) world of social media, people's voices can be heard straight away (he said snapping his fingers). The world has changed. Who knows? You have to look at Beefy (Ian Botham) - what Beefy got up to. Imagine if social media had been around with Beefy.

"Everybody's got an opinion and not everybody is going to be liked. But you have to live with that. You have to understand that. And when you understand that, then you're cool. I love Twitter."

ONGOING TURMOIL

REUTERS: Bearing in mind the turmoil you've gone through with the ECB, in hindsight do you regret deciding to represent England and not South Africa?

PIETERSEN: "Never, no chance, absolutely none. I've loved the journey. It's been the most amazing experience."

REUTERS: What about the fact that if you had represented South Africa, you might have still been playing internationally?

PIETERSEN: "If I played in South Africa, I might not have played international cricket. Who knows? (He left because of quota issues) No one knows what would have happened. I know what has happened over the last 15 years. Has it been amazing? The best.

"If I didn't like this place, I'd leave. I am never leaving here. My wife's English, my little boy is English. We're incredibly happy here in England. It's just a no-go area."

REUTERS: Do you feel in this day and age, officials want athletes to be robots? Because as soon as a player has an opinion, all hell breaks loose.

PIETERSEN: "With some coaches yeah. Bad coaches. Bad boards, for sure yeah. They want the characters, they want the personalities on the field, they want the headlines, they want the guys to perform and they will very happily accept all the big endorsements and the companies that will sponsor them.

"But goodness, anybody who dares say anything, other than strict regime line, you get in trouble. Unfortunately, you can't have the two. You can't have the maverick or the great player who does extraordinary things on the field and then have a choir boy off it. It just doesn't work."

REUTERS: I know you like golf so I presume you followed the Ryder Cup? What did you think of Phil Mickelson publicly criticising the tactics employed by US captain Tom Watson?

PIETERSEN: "He's allowed his own opinion. Let him say what he wants. I don't really know the golfing world in terms of etiquette but Phil Mickelson's around 45, he's his own man, it's an individual sport, he's allowed his own opinion, fair play to the geezer."(Yeah fair play to the geezer! Reminds me of the academic dawinian dinossaurs trying every trick in the book to stop their outdated and hapless theories being exposed for the nonsense they are)

ROUNDLY CRITICISED

REUTERS: He was roundly criticised for lambasting Watson in public rather than behind closed doors. Do you think he crossed a line?

PIETERSEN: "I don't know all golf etiquette and rules. I know not to stand in somebody's line when they are putting! You've got to keep quiet when a guy is on his back swing, unless he's a mate and you are trying to beat him! But that's as far as my golf etiquette goes so I'll reserve right to comment on that."

REUTERS: He is considered as a golfing rebel, are you the Mickelson of the cricket world?

PIETERSEN: "I wish I was as good as him. He's an absolute star."

REUTERS: Do you feel you might have been better off pursuing a career in an individual sport like tennis or golf - as then your opinions would not have had such career-ending consequences?

PIETERSEN: "No. I've had the most amazing experiences. I've won an Ashes in England. I've won an Ashes in Australia. I won another Ashes in England. I won a World Cup with the team in the Caribbean. I got to No 1 in the world with the team. Nah (shaking his head). Absolutely not.

"But you know what, I might be in the Ryder Cup in 2016 if my golf keeps improving the way it is (laughing). But that's a team sport - no, no, no, no! PGA (championship), possibly. I'm getting good. My tennis is not so good. So we won't do Wimbledon. Augusta, Pebble Beach - all them beautiful courses."

REUTERS: You are known for usually speaking your mind, why did you agree to an eight-month gagging order with the ECB?

PIETERSEN: "Confidentially agreement. I didn't mind. No problem. It was actually good for me. It made me think, gather my thoughts, go through everything systematically. Not just go and say something right there and then. I've been calm, I've written a book. It's come out. I stand by everything in my book. Think it's been a brilliant process."

REUTERS: In that case did that agreement turn out to your advantage?

PIETERSEN: "It's been a very, very positive few days and it's been a pretty positive nine months."

REUTERS: Since the ECB has not given you a satisfactory answer about why you were sacked, did you consider going down the path of suing for constructive dismissal?

PIETERSEN: "They were clever in their reasons and clever in their reasoning."

REUTERS: How?

PIETERSEN: "They just said it was cricketing reasons and there is nothing you can go on on cricketing reasons."

REUTERS: Did suing cross your mind at all with all the anger you had about being forced out of a job?

PIETERSEN: "People say sue him, sue him, sue him, why don't you sue him? It's very easy to tweet, or to text or to say 'sue somebody'. Do you know how hard it is to sue somebody? Do you know how hard it is to get something across the line? Do you know how much money it costs? A court case like this could cost half a million, a million pounds in legal fees. You are not guaranteed to win anything."

WRONGFULLY DISMISSED

REUTERS: But people do go down that road when they feel they have been wrongfully dismissed?

PIETERSEN: "Of course they do. But I didn't go down that route because if you think this book week is pretty big, a court case would last a lot longer and it would be like this every single day. I would have definitely pursued something if I knew there was something going on for sure. I'm not frightened of it at all but I didn't pursue it."

REUTERS: So you didn't pursue it because you didn't think you would win a case like that?

PIETERSEN: "It's not about winning. It's got nothing to do with winning a case. It's just a wait and see scenario."

REUTERS: With the benefit of hindsight, would you have done anything differently?

PIETERSEN: "There are a load of things I would have done differently. Getting involved in the texting stuff (with opponents South Africa during the 2012 series), ruining Straussy's 100th test match (with the fallout from leaked texts between Pietersen and South African rival players about then England captain Andrew Strauss). But I'm me. I don't want to be somebody else. If you try and be somebody else, you are going to come short and you're not going to enjoy yourself and you're not going to be happy."

REUTERS: Do you want to go into coaching when you finish playing?

PIETERSEN: "My international cricket school opens in Dubai next month. My foundation kicks off in November. I'm going to be hands on in Dubai for a number of days a year and it's my most exciting project I've got going on at the moment. I love the coaching side of it."

REUTERS: What do you feel are the dos and don'ts of being a successful coach?

PIETERSEN: "Letting individuals be individuals. You can't try and clone everybody in the same way. Clearly it's a team sport but unfortunately team sports are made up of individuals.

"It doesn't matter whether you play football, rugby or cricket, however you perform, it is monitored. You are an individual out there. You can't get away from the fact that whether you had a good game or whether you had a bad game. So you've got to try and get the best out of every individual. Not everybody is the same so you've got to treat people differently but lay boundaries. Then do the business."

REUTERS: What's the best shot you've ever played and the best knock you've ever had?

PIETERSEN: The best shot I played was the second reverse switch-hit I hit off Scott Styris in Durham (for a six in a one-dayer in 2008). The first one was just change your body around, change your hand around, hit and the timing was perfect. The second one few balls later, I changed my body around, I changed my hand around but he held the ball up in the air and it was a bit slower and I was like oh no, no, no. So I had wait a little bit and then hit the ball, which took a heck of an amount of discipline to wait for it and skill to execute it. That's the hardest shot I've played and very lucky to execute.

"Innings, Sri Lanka, 2012, in Colombo, 45 degrees. I cannot handle the heat at all, I am horrendous in the heat, never thought I'd be able to do that (score 151 in the second test). Just from a mental perspective and fitness perspective."

REUTERS: How realistic are your hopes of playing for England again after a fallout like this?

PIETERSEN: "I live in hope. I came to England 15 years ago as a little off-spinning kid who batted a little bit and I ended up achieving some pretty good stuff. So who knows what's possible, the world moves at an incredible paces these days, the world flies."

REUTERS: Knowing what you do about the England set up, how would you feel if your son wanted to follow in your footsteps?

PIETERSEN: "He can do whatever he wants to do. I will not put any dampener on anything he wants to do. I want him to be the best person he can possibly be at whatever he chooses to be."

REUTERS: Ten years from now, what do you think your sporting legacy will be?

PIETERSEN: "I know a lot of stuff have gone on this week but when you look on social media, people say they 'we miss you batting' and 'we want you back batting'. I don't think I will be remembered for this (the controversy caused by the allegations made against Flower and his teammates). I think I will be remembered for my cricket and that makes me happy.

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becsPro4,378 posts
09 Oct 2014, 11:45
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09 Oct 2014, 11:45#2
Oh dear ! 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 12:18
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09 Oct 2014, 12:18#3
 Great loss to E nglish cricket and we of course lost out the most.

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becsPro4,378 posts
09 Oct 2014, 12:29
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09 Oct 2014, 12:29#4
 No, he really isn't. 
He was talented, yes, but divisive and a lot of people are happy to see the back if him.
I'm afraid the papers that came out yesterday contradict his version of events, and he was involved in most of the things that were on those papers, so it's making him look foolish again.
I stuck up for him for years, I know someone who went out with him and I indeed met him once, but my patience has ended with him a long time ago now. 
Enough is enough. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 12:37
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09 Oct 2014, 12:37#5
 Well enough could be cutting both ways:

Former England captain Alec Stewart said on Wednesday Kevin Pietersen had been right to complain of England players' Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan's access to a parody Twitter account mocking the star batsman.

Pietersen, in a heavily-trailed autobiography which is on general sale on Thursday, has written of a "bullying" culture during his time within the England dressing room.

In particular, he did not take kindly to the 'KPgenius' Twitter account owned by Richard Bailey, a friend of England paceman Stuart Broad.

Pietersen's book states Bailey told Stewart he had insider help with the account.

However, Bailey has persistently denied this and on Wednesday he again insisted no England players had been involved, telling the Guardian newspaper: "They 100 percent did not tweet it."

But Stewart, South Africa-born Pietersen's coach at county side Surrey, contradicted Bailey's denial.

"The reason I am prepared to talk about is that he (Bailey) has said he didn't say anything to me and therefore is doubting my integrity and I won't have that," Stewart explained in an interview with BBC Radio Five on Wednesday.

"I'm not here to nail Pietersen, Broad, Swann, Bresnan. I'm an ex-England player and an England fan.

"What happened, back in 2012 at The Oval, this gentleman (Bailey) came up and said to me: 'I understand you follow the KPgenius twitter account'.

"I said 'yes, some of it is funny, some of it is close to the bone'.

He then said 'that is me', I said 'very good, well done'. He then came back and said, 'can I keep a secret?', I said 'yes, but it depends what you're going to tell me'.

"He said 'I can't tell you' and then walked away. Thirty seconds later he came back and said 'three players have access to the account, they have the password' and he told me the three names.

"The names were Bresnan, Broad and Swann and it didn't sit comfortably with me," added Stewart, England's most-capped player.

"Not because I wanted them three players to get fined, but it didn't sit comfortably with me if what he was saying was factually correct.

"I then made Hugh Morris (the then managing director of the England and Wales Cricket Board), and Andy Flower (then England coach, who is heavily criticised in Pietersen's book) at a later date, aware of the conversation, passed on that information and left it at that.

"If the ECB wanted to investigate or ignore, they could.

"I'm not going to doubt what Pietersen, Broad, Swann, or whoever has said but I will guarantee 100 percent this lad said that to me."

Pietersen's autobiography accuses England's senior bowlers and wicketkeeper Matt Prior of aggressively demanding apologies from teammates not in their clique for any mistakes they made while fielding.

It was a claim supported by former Australia captain Ricky Ponting, who told the Sydney Daily Telegraph on Wednesday: "We saw them doing it, (James) Anderson was always the same, and Swann."

Pietersen, effectively sacked by England after their 5-0 Ashes debacle in Australia was completed earlier this year, responded to Ponting's comments by saying Wednesday: "I haven't even spoken to Punter (Ponting).

"When I woke up this morning and I saw this, one of the greatest cricketers to have ever played the game, how do you think he views it when he's in the opposition and he's seeing teammates abuse each other and bully each other on a cricket field?"

Pietersen's prospects of playing for England again appear slim but the 34-year-old – England's all-time leading run-scorer – insisted Wednesday he had not given up hope of an international recall.

"Six months' time, you never know, there could be a change at the top, I live in hope," Pietersen said. "And one day I hope to be able to play test cricket again."

The ECB have yet to respond to Pietersen's autobiography or Stewart's comments.

Becs it really doesnt sound like KP is all to blame. 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Oct 2014, 12:50
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09 Oct 2014, 12:50#6
 Bean Brain, yr writing style and KP's are virtually identical.. both excelling in fiction....
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 13:24
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09 Oct 2014, 13:24#7
Rubbish brycy ya half wit KP has a case. 
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becsPro4,378 posts
09 Oct 2014, 13:28
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09 Oct 2014, 13:28#8
 I know all about that, Beeno. 

I think you'll still find he is trying damage limitation, in his usual "all about me " style, and this will probably blow right back up in his face. As I said, patience with him has worn thin. 
He really does only care about himself and money, that boy  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 13:45
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09 Oct 2014, 13:45#9
 That book is going to sell.
But it does look like his team mates were the pits doing that.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Oct 2014, 13:56
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09 Oct 2014, 13:56#10
becs
I ead repeatedly from various commentators that there is something amiss in the English team .  There is a clique of players - those mentioned aas well as Anderson - who is a major problem for Cook - and he finds it virtuallt impossibleto handle them.   There was no referece to Pietersen inthe report I read.   
Swan is now gpne - but theothers are still there.    
What I think though is that Pietersen is a fighter and not very diplomatic - very much a competive sporting type and being from SA probably not really accepted bythe English players.   That could have muddies the waters from the start.   I do not think that it is a one-sided problem created only by Pietersen - there are two sides to the issue here.   
Mind you I have not read Pietersn's book - but if the mentioned players can prove tht he libled them - they cn surely take him to court.   If they don't then I think it wouls be quiet admission that he wrote the truth.
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becsPro4,378 posts
09 Oct 2014, 14:17
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09 Oct 2014, 14:17#11
 There was plenty in the legal papers regarding KP, Mike.

Best read them, I think ! 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Oct 2014, 14:19
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09 Oct 2014, 14:19#12
 Beeno, you beat me to it with that article. The ECB has fouled up on many occasions with KP and they will have to admit it at some stage.

They were the ones who did not honour their agreements with him and the agreements that both they and KP made when he was fired are now coming to an end and they will have to face it at some stage.

Alec Stewart is not a sensationalist. He did not, at the time of the hoax Twitter account story run to the media and splash out the names of the players involved in it. He did the right thing, and approached the ECB with the info for them to handle with it.

There is the perception that he was the one who got rid of Peter Moores the first time around. It is not true. The ECB asked him, as the captain at the time, and Moores both to submit their views of the way forward for English cricket. Remember that it was not long after SA klapped them in England in 2008. The only thing that happened was that when shown Moores' submission, by the ECB, he said that he does not agree and that he did not think that it was the way to go. He (KP) was on holiday in SA when he (KP) heard the news that he has decided to step down as captain!

There is much more to this than we think. The ECB made more than one balls-up in this whole saga. The disclosed private discussions that they and KP had and which both the ECB and KP agreed, would not be disclosed.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Oct 2014, 14:28
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09 Oct 2014, 14:28#13
 All very unsavoury stuff windpomp and one hopes the truth will prevail.  
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
09 Oct 2014, 14:42
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09 Oct 2014, 14:42#14
Something like this was going to happen sooner or later to an English sports team. Their should be less foreigners, or even no foreigners in a national team. 
KP probably is a twat that is full of himself, and some of the players may have resented his ability. He was taking too much attention away from the english players, and he was his own biggest fan.
I think his book will be worth a read, but I am sure that it will be very biased. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Oct 2014, 14:58
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09 Oct 2014, 14:58#15
 SB, this has nothing to do with KP being a "foreigner" and all about his approach to the game. He is a highly professional person when it comes to his approach to the game and his own preparation, etc. He does not go out and "drink with the boys" before games. He does not even do that before training sessions. For him, it is and has always been about the team. I posted this article on another forum earlier (bear in mind that Stuart Broad was one of his biggest "enemies" in the team and this particular incident hapened well after the 2012 debacle.)

Ashes 2013-14: 'Informal batting coach' Kevin Pietersen gives Stuart Broad some tips

Kevin Pietersen gave Stuart Broad (of all people) a one-to-one batting clinic today as England sought ways to improve their performance for next week’s Second Ashes Test.

In the nets at Traeger Park, Pietersen gave Broad detailed instructions on how to play the short ball and how to approach front-foot shots. The batsman would then ask assistant coach Richard Halsall to deliver different types of throw-downs at his team-mate.

Pietersen’s work contradicts the idea that he is interested only in his own game. Team sources revealed Pietersen has been giving informal batting coaching to the lower order since last summer, and Steve Finn has spoken on this tour about the practice he has done with Pietersen.

It also offers more evidence that the 33-year-old is fully “reintegrated” after his well-publicised banishment from the team in 2012, after he was found to have sent provocative texts about then-captain Andrew Strauss to members of the South Africa team.

England rookie Gary Ballance said: “The senior players are always around to offer help when you need advice about your game.”


How can this guy be an arrogant d!ck who only cares himself and not give a sh!t about the team?


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becsPro4,378 posts
09 Oct 2014, 16:14
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09 Oct 2014, 16:14#16
 And KP said it was the best dressing room he had ever been involved in, right ? 

So what is he saying in his book ? ! 

Dear me. 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Oct 2014, 16:21
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09 Oct 2014, 16:21#17
... Bean Brain you and KP should be nominated for a Nobel Alaureate ...in Bullsh!t
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Oct 2014, 12:48
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10 Oct 2014, 12:48#18
 BRYCY YOU  THIS IS ALL BEYOND YOU.Please srtick to demanding more chiefies make the abs side bwhahahahahaha
KP sets his tersm for return to England side:
England exile Kevin Pietersen said he could yet return to international duty if England and Wales Cricket Board chairman Giles Clarke quits his post.

Thursday saw Pietersen's controversial autobiography finally go on general sale after days of pre-publicity in which the South Africa-born batsman, England's leading all-time run-scorer, highlighted a "bullying" culture within the England dressing room and was severely critical of the management methods of former England coach Andy Flower.

It is hard to imagine the circumstances in which Pietersen might make an international return - not least because he did not play County Championship cricket for Surrey last season.

But the 34-year-old has not given up hope and having previously focused much of his ire on Flower and several former team-mates, Thursday saw him turn his attention to Clarke. (Sock it to em Kevin!! These mealy mouthed bleaters need to become accountable!!)

"What would have to happen for me to be recalled by England?" Pietersen asked in an interview with the London Evening Standard. "Clearly, the boss would have to go.

"Clarke would have to go, and I've been hearing that could happen in the next few months. That's all hearsay, you never know. If there is a change at the top, there is potential, but we will wait and see."

It was Clarke who oversaw an uncomfortable press conference alongside Pietersen in Colombo in 2012 where the star batsman was formally reintegrated into the England team.

That followed a three-month banishment after Pietersen sent text messages critical of then England captain Andrew Strauss to opposition South Africa players during a home series with the Proteas.(Can you blame him really given how poor the poms are!!)

"Giles pulls a lot of strings. In terms of cricket, I believe Andy Flower pulls a lot of strings too," Pietersen told the Standard.

"He has Giles Clarke in his pocket."

Boycott sympathy

The ECB have steadfastly declined to respond to Pietersen's autobiography and they had no comment to make regarding his comments about Clarke.

But England great Geoffrey Boycott said he could understand why Kevin Pietersen felt angered by the way his England career was brought to an abrupt halt without a specific explanation.

Former captain Pietersen, having been a key figure in one of the most successful of all England cricket sides, was effectively sacked by the England and Wales Cricket Board following the team's 5-0 Ashes series loss in Australia concluded in January.

"I'd be miffed if my career had been finished for no reasons given," said Boycott.

"It's actually a pretty big thing when you've got a very talented player ... (and) a country says, 'Fine, we want to move on without you'," Boycott told the Cricinfo website.

Boycott added the root cause of the bitterness was in 2009 when Pietersen was sacked as England captain after voicing his concerns about Peter Moores's suitability as a coach.

Moores lost his job within the England set-up and was replaced by his former assistant Flower, with whom Pietersen had also clashed.

Following the Ashes debacle, Flower stood down and was replaced by Moores.

Reflecting on the change of command in 2009, Boycott said: "You have two people (Pietersen and Flower) who resent the situation, both in prime positions - one the best batsman and the other the coach in charge.

"That's a recipe for disaster, isn't it? (Yep Geoff it is and shows how utterly clueless the cricket board oaks are !!)


"I'm not surprised it spilt over, and eventually he's having his say, because I feel there was so much ill-feeling from that moment Kevin was sacked as captain and Flower was promoted from assistant coach to the coach."

Meanwhile Boycott's former England team-mate Ian Botham said he feared Pietersen's brilliance as a batsman was in danger of being overshadowed by "the amateur hour" fall-out from his book.

"Kevin Pietersen has made the decision to air his grievances and that is up to him, but from what I've read and heard it is more about score settling than the great times he gave us with his cricket," Botham wrote in his Daily Mirror column.

Well done Kevin - you are showing true saffa grit and not letting these oaks running cricket get away with their nonsense or your few traitorous teammates either.
I hope ou brycy and B ecs are getting a glimmer. We have Ponting and Boycott supporting KP. That tells you a lot.

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becsPro4,378 posts
10 Oct 2014, 12:53
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10 Oct 2014, 12:53#19
Oh shut up, Beeno.
He is making a total idiot of himself and he needs to shut up and go away now.

His book is on sale for £10, by the way. It should be £20. Says it all, doesn't it ? 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
10 Oct 2014, 14:03
#20
10 Oct 2014, 14:03#20

...Bean Brain funny you should mention it but another of the Mighty Chiefs players has just been selected today to join the All Blacks so a hearty congrats goes out to the newest AB, Counties captain and Mighty Chiefs halfback Augustine Pulu...


 ...and I think we've already covered how much of a divisive attention seeking twat  yr mate KP is down in the cricket forum ....where cricket news is posted by all but a few dumbarses that can't tell the difference between a rugby forum and a cricket forum.....

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Oct 2014, 21:03
#21
10 Oct 2014, 21:03#21
 So he is selling his book cheaper. More sales no doubt and everyone gets to know what those twits running the show have been up to and also those back stabbing "mates" .
Too late for a cover up now Becs and shutting Beeno up wont help. 
Small things seem to make ou brycy happy - charming quality of his!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2014, 21:24
#22
10 Oct 2014, 21:24#22
 Graeme Smith confirmed what Pietersen said about some players and said that the SA team now about it and used it against the English team.   he stated that it was easy - put the English team under pressure and the team disintegrate into factions.
There are too many top players like Ponting and Smith confirming what Pietersen said about the English team and especially certain players in the team.    It definitely resulted in an unhappy surroundings for some team members.   
When an SA player makes a mistake - his teammates slap him on the back and encourage him - when it happened in the English team there is exactly the opposite.  No wonder the English team is slipping inthe rankings.         
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Oct 2014, 21:44
#23
10 Oct 2014, 21:44#23
 Something is rotten Mike.
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becsPro4,378 posts
10 Oct 2014, 23:32
#24
10 Oct 2014, 23:32#24
 Oh poor Kevin. It's always the rest of the world against him, isn't it ? 
I think when his friend, Ian Botham, comes out and tells him that he needs to put a sock in it, it really is not quite as simple as you seem to think.And nice you are cherry picking the info in the public domain to chew over. 

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