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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
17 Nov 2014, 08:48
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17 Nov 2014, 08:48#1
Thought he was brilliant agaiangst England. Greaat on Attack, Def. Depth little. touch with the drop goal. While Pollard is potentially a world class player. Lambie imo is just as good, but more assured and accomplished. Reinach as I predicted was a standout. blProoves Meyer shld be picking who's currently the best in their positions. Not who used to be, or who could be. As while SA do have depth, theirs a difference between quality of depth and quantity of depth. 9. Reinach 10. Lambie 11. Habana 12. Serfointain 13. De Allende 14. Senalta 15. Le Roux
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
17 Nov 2014, 08:59
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17 Nov 2014, 08:59#2

I LIKE YOUR BACKLINE 


But I think we must not be hasty on flyhalf, I think Pollard and Lambie can be used on a horses for courses basis.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Nov 2014, 09:03
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17 Nov 2014, 09:03#3
Having Lambie means Pollard has less pressure, he doesn't have to be selected for every game & feel the whole weight of the team on his shoulders. He is still young & ideally he would be playing off the bench with a more experienced 10 ahead of him. This is really not the case but with Lambie he has some relief.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Nov 2014, 09:24
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17 Nov 2014, 09:24#4
Listen 3 IQ Pollard is by some distance our best flyhalf and will be better than Dan Carter. THis reminds me of the kbbs talking up wee matfiled for ears and our oaks being completely conned!Now I suggest you read this article by Keo 3 IQ 

Not starting Handré Pollard against England represents a missed opportunity in the player’s evolution as a world-class flyhalf, writes MARK KEOHANE in London.

Pollard is the now and he is the future. He is the closest thing the game has seen in a No 10 jersey since a young Dan Carter made his Test debut for the All Blacks more than a decade ago.

Pollard was not the reason the Boks lost to Ireland in Dublin, but he was definitely one of the reasons the Boks looked so good against the All Blacks in Wellington and at Ellis Park.

Pollard needs to be starting every Test in the buildup to the World Cup. His selection, for me, should never have been in doubt.(Not quite Pollard has played a lot of Rugby and a second choice flyhalf also needs to be developed. - Beeno as rational as ever!)

The demotion of scrumhalf Francois Hougaard is understandable, given his struggles in Dublin, but Jano Vermaak may have suited the Boks’ attack better at Twickenham.(Dont write opff Hougie!!!!!)

Cobus Reinach has been given a start but I don’t see him being the preferred option in a World Cup play-off game and Vermaak, based at Toulouse, is more familiar with playing conditions up north.

The pack changes were expected. Schalk Burger simply had to be picked as a starting option. His work rate is without comparison among the Boks and he commands an aura that has been earned over the past decade.

Bismarck du Plessis’ international shares have dropped radically in 2014. He is such a fine player and in 2011 he was at the peak of his game. He should have started every World Cup match back then but was deemed secondary to the captaincy component of John Smit.

Now he is again the second-choice hooker. Only this time his form doesn’t make as compelling a case for natural inclusion as a starting option.

The Bismarck hasn’t quite been sunk but there has been a gradual submersion all year. He hasn’t looked a happy camper and he plays with more a frown than a freedom of expression. He is the world’s best but in 2014 he hasn’t been South Africa’s best. Strauss deserves to start.

Pat Lambie is another who deserves a start, but it should have been at No 15, with Willie le Roux asked to do an impact job.

A combination of Pollard at No 10, Lambie at 15 and Le Roux to cut tired defences to shreds in the last 30 minutes would have given me greater confidence ahead of Saturday’s Test.

Lambie’s game at No 15 is low risk and error free and against England at Twickenham it's low risk and error free that will give the South Africans reward.

Le Roux has been off his game, but because of the extravagance the errors seem to be excused. Unfortunately the flamboyance and attacking threat have not matched the error rate. He is another – like Bismarck – whose smile has been replaced with a petulance and irritation, be it directed at himself, his teammates or rugby life in general.

Le Roux, in his first season of international rugby, played with a sense of adventure and a permanent smile. Now the adventure looks more like a chore and the face is often grimaced.

Le Roux’s essence was that he played with freedom and seemingly without fear of failure. But that’s not the case at the moment.

Lambie, picked at No 10, is not a poor selection when viewed in isolation. But when viewed in the context of the Rugby Championship and Pollard’s arrival and emergence, it's a selection that didn’t have to be made.

I also don’t see the value of Cornal Hendricks as a bench player. He is a starter to me or not in the match 23.

The bench is good without being brilliant and the Boks this week have a presence that's more powerful than potent.

BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
17 Nov 2014, 09:50
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17 Nov 2014, 09:50#5

Your most important positions in my view is 2, 5, 8, 9, 10, 12 and 15.



We need 2 players per position that is close to world class if not world class, once we have established that can we worry about finding another 3rd player per position.


In my mind 10 is sorted. Pollard and Lambie. Let's stick to them.


I think with Goosen being touted at 15 for back up to Willie we are getting there.


That gives us a playmaker at 10 and 15, regardless of who is selected.  


Bismarck and Strauss in my opinion is world class, and I personally like the rotation of the two, it gives Meyer plenty of time to see which player for which opposition.


At 9 we have Fourie du Preez, Ruan Pienaar, Reinach, Hougaard and Vermaak. Personally I would stick with Hougaard and Reinach as they already pair with Pollard and Lambie at their Franchises which allows good partnerships to be nurtured, if you have a halfback pairing that understand each other well you are onto a winning combination.


We need a back up for Vermeulen, currently it looks like Whiteley will be that player, I can't really think of anyone better suited, except for Schalk Burger (if he retains form) as he  has developed his linking game and in my view is a very good impact player.


At 12, we do have the players, Jean de Villiers (who undoubtedly will be there for now) and Jan Serfontein, you could add de Allende to the list.


Our biggest challenge lies at 5, once Pieter Steph du Toit comes back will he be gven a fair chance? Might Etzebeth be the answer at 5? WHat about Stephan Lewies or Lood de Jage (yeah I know everyone is going to have a temper tantrum now, but I am not ready to throw him to the wolves.)


SO potentially we have solutions to what I think are the most important positions, it is now a question of what does Meyer think, he is running out of time, 6 matches before the RWC.



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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
17 Nov 2014, 10:06
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17 Nov 2014, 10:06#6
Better then Carter LOL oh my sides thanks for the laugh Beeno. No flyhalf not even the messiah well come near DCS performance againgst the Lions in 05. My point was Meyer should focus on quality of depth, and currently best players in their positions.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Nov 2014, 10:35
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17 Nov 2014, 10:35#7
"WHat about Stephan Lewies or Lood de Jage (yeah I know everyone is going to have a temper tantrum now, but I am not ready to throw him to the wolves.)"

Lood has to grow a pair first.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Nov 2014, 11:35
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17 Nov 2014, 11:35#8

 "Pollard is by some distance our best flyhalf and will be better than Dan Carter."


That's a huge call.....for the sake of Bok rugby I hope so as well but I'll hang back on making the call. Time is a revelation ......I'll wait till the end of next year to see how Pollard has presented.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2014, 12:05
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17 Nov 2014, 12:05#9
Don't tell Moz that  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Nov 2014, 16:19
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17 Nov 2014, 16:19#10
 3 IQ he is better at this age than wee dan ever was. Bigger, faster more dangerous runner, better tackler and bigger boot. Just needs a bit more expereince to sharpen his tactical game.So yes it will be a disappointment if he does not prove better than wee dan. Pollard definitely is the better athlete. Dan of course has never been the same since Bissie flattened him.
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Nov 2014, 19:05
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17 Nov 2014, 19:05#11
Agree Deny. It seems there is a lot of 'talking a big game' when it comes to Pollard. The moment the same is done for Lambie it is immediately pointed out. I dont know where this infatuation with Pollard originates but it is slightly amusing to say the least. Especially from historically extremely WP biased contributors.

Amazing - is he a hypnotist or something ?

Handre Pollard is by some distance not an international quality flyhalf CURRENTLY. I will concede that the same can be said for Lambie.

So lets switch to potential - Apparently there is evidence that Pollard will be Bok quality, however as there is nothing more to substantiate this argument than there is even for a player like Tim Swiel - I am not basing any argument off hearsay. Try as you like Beeno and co. - I am not getting into an argument revolving around unsubstantiated opinion.

Pollard was incredibly poor against Ireland which makes me a bit worried. This is my opinion - I think on wet ground where the dominance of forwards like Bismark, Vermeulen and Coetzee is somewhat negated, he looks rushed and makes poor decisions. He got trapped at the back more than once against Ireland. I dont recall that being an issue with Lambie but hey - I could be wrong.

So, how sure can we be that if we start Pollard in every remaining test that he will be ready come world cup ? What is it - this distinguishing characteristic that makes Pollard so attractive to you guys ? I am very interested to hear.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2014, 19:12
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17 Nov 2014, 19:12#12
Lambie was brilliant on attack and he never made one metre running....what do these guys see. One chip kick is the total attacking contribution, that qualifies a player as brilliant. The lemmings are flying off the cliff again.  
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Nov 2014, 19:18
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17 Nov 2014, 19:18#13
Moz - didn't have to.

But you know, I am actually sick of this provincial and egotistical ranting.

I kind of hope Meyer does select Pollard. The outcome of that will be well deserved by those fans and their leader, Heyneke Meyer who refuse to see Pollard's shortcomings but feel compelled to highlight Patrick Lambies.

Even the Bulls dumped Pollard for JL Potgieter....what a laugh. So we have that vs. the chip kick in a test match at Twickers - which one do you choose ?

Pollard showed what he can do on a wet field when Vermeulen, Coetzee and Bismark are slipping around and cant always protect him. Maar kyk maar noord en f#k voort...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2014, 19:45
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17 Nov 2014, 19:45#14
Not provincial.....Sharkie. I think Pollard will be a better answer. You think Lambie. I disagree but only time will tell. 
SH
Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Nov 2014, 20:12
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17 Nov 2014, 20:12#15
Moz - I dont mind a debate based on opinion. The hilarity and childlike argumentation is what irritates me. Perhaps I am just not suited to this banter any more or I have lost the spirit of it.

I flippin hope Meyer selects Pollard for the world cup. Honestly, I couldn't wish him anything more appropriate to suit a deserved outcome for his provincialistic favoritism. He will get what he deserves.

As a baby in 2010, Lambie played in a match in a soggy, humid and later pouring rain Kings Park to pull out a win for less favored Sharks team against the Bulls. I recall the up and under he marked about a meter outside his tryline with a minute or two on the clock (Morne Steyn's last ditch effort) while facing the sounds of galloping hooves and thought - this is a defining moment for him.

He then went on to come within 3 points of scoring a record number of points in a Currie Cup final, again - one in which the Sharks were extreme underdogs against the g0d like Western Province.

I recall thinking - this kid not only can play in the wet, under pressure but also put the dagger in when the opponent is staggering.

There you go - instead of putting down stupid images of people lying on their sides laughing - explain the affection to Pollard to me. Just like I did above about Lambie. Not Lambie's shortcomings - explain what makes Pollard so amazing to you. What was your defining moment ?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2014, 20:35
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17 Nov 2014, 20:35#16
Playing a good CC final is hardly the same as being the player who secured our first AB win for years. Pollard is bigger, stronger, faster than Lambie, with just as good a rugby brain (Lambie's biggest asset) and much more guts.
That's the way I see it, and I generally  don't rate Bools backs. 
SH
Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Nov 2014, 21:17
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17 Nov 2014, 21:17#17
Moz - Meyer shares your view it seems so you will get your wish. Pollard will steer the ship from the Nr.10 position for the world cup and South Africa will reap the appropriate reward. I firmly believe this as much as you believe Pollard is the man for the job.

Meyer is however a bit reactive so when we lose our first match, watch for a quick change in mindset.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2014, 21:40
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17 Nov 2014, 21:40#18
No I think HM is undecided. He likes Pollard more perhaps....but he prefers the game plan Lambie offers, the order of the boot. It could go either way.  
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
17 Nov 2014, 22:02
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17 Nov 2014, 22:02#19

I don't really care who Meyer prefers, as long as I never see MOrne Steyn in  a Bok jersey again


I personally think Lambie showed more composure in the wet weather than Pollard, but in dry conditions POllard might be the better player.


Both of them must be given time though as we will need both of them for the next 5-6 years.  

SH
Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Nov 2014, 22:34
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17 Nov 2014, 22:34#20
Moz....come on....lets be honest. Meyer prefers Pollard. End of story and we both know why. Come now.


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