JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Nov 2013, 01:28#2
Well, the debate on this forum of Steyn v Lambie has been going on for some time but this article is still worth posting.
sharkbok
Captain23,297 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Nov 2013, 01:52#3
Unfortunately neither is very good at Flyhalf.
We need Goosen at 10, and after Morne Steyn and Lambie we struggle with depth for flyhalf.
Jantjies is poor as are many of the other no name brands.
13 Nov 2013, 02:00#4
What has Goosen proven at test level?
13 Nov 2013, 02:04#5
Fact is, Meyer turn flyhalves into robots. Lambie has the temperament to hold his own but when compare our 10 stock against NZ I just don't think we come close. Bauden Barrett really surprised me this year, this kid has serious pace for a 10.
I rate Goosen highly but he needs to get better conditioning, breaks down to often.
I want lambie to play the same way that he played for the sharks. Hopefully Jake will sort him out next year at the sharks.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2013, 02:07#6
If we never see Morne at 10 for the Boks again, it will be too soon.
Lambie to start at 10 with Goosen off the bench.
What has Goosen proven at test level you ask Vlag?........stupid naive question, look no further than his performance against Oz.......that attacking display is something Morne can only dream of.
Morne is useless, seriously useless and has a test record of 60% win record to prove it
13 Nov 2013, 11:22#8
I think the 60 odd minutes Lambie had will stand him in good stead this weekend.
Just what the doctor ordered.
Now it's up to him to grab this limited opportunity and force the coach to rethink his regular 10 pick.
It's entirely up to Pat. He has GOT to make the most of it. Leave Meyer without any doubt. If he fails, he'll be benched again for the French test.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
14 Nov 2013, 15:12#9
Lambie has had years to prove himself. As it stands Lambie's reputation burst onto the scene and has been unrivalled since, but poor Lambie is still straining to keep pace with it.
Goosen has a serious flaw; his extremely frail body lacks any kind of physical presence. How then can a physically weak 10 impose himself om the gainline and last the distance? It's one big contradiction after another, and that's before we consider his defence - which is the weakest of all our 10s by some distance!
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
14 Nov 2013, 22:04#11
By the World Cup Lambie will be gone. He has been on the scene for over two years and we are still talking about vindication and big chances to prove something. That sums up the situation. No, this timid and physically lacking boy is well out of his depth; it's an already well established fact, and he's getting worse!
14 Nov 2013, 22:46#12
Sun-Tzu or bugger or whoever you are, weak and frail are too different things. Goosens not weak. Morne is not the answer and he is a lot weaker than Goosen, the former just helps opposition on their way to the try line eg. Barrett in Ellis Park.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2013, 23:45#13
Well, well, well so Goosen is weak and frail opine the pundits.Goosen was under 19 when he played for the Boks!!!!! This year he is under 20. Meyer realises that is still very young and wisely is keeping him back. No doubt serious work is going on re his conditioning. ditto Jan.eanwhile these youngsters have had afire of desire lit in them how badly do they want to play for the Boks by now. All this subtle pyschology is wasted on the oaks! hahahahahahahaGoosen will not be sacricied to satisfy youth obsessed dopes! Meanwhile snapster's anti M eyer stats re test lost are in a shambles.Go Meyer and the Boks
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
15 Nov 2013, 01:02#14
Shezza, when Goosen can withstand Samoa then we can talk. Goosen is very small, very frail on defence. Morne is far more physical and much calmer. Goosen is in the same mould as Quad Cooper but without the excess of personality.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
15 Nov 2013, 01:10#15
Beeno, Goosen is an ectomorph. Age can't compensate for genetics sadly. Unlike Lambie he doesn't have potential for growth and will never be strong enough. As an impact off the bench? Maybe it could work, he does have better understanding of the position than Lambie; nothing more then that. Taute and Goosen both proved the point last year.
15 Nov 2013, 01:58#16
You do realise that Morne can't withstand Samoa, he avoids contact. Any player at 21 years of age has potential of growth, you are speaking through your arse. Lambie at 23 has potential for growth but Goosen at 21 doesn't...
15 Nov 2013, 01:59#17
You do realise that Morne can't withstand Samoa, he avoids contact. Any player at 21 years of age has potential of growth, you are speaking through your arse. Lambie at 23 has potential for growth but Goosen at 21 doesn't...
