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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jul 2014, 12:29
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24 Jul 2014, 12:29#1

Ex Supersport

Cape Town - The Cell C Sharks team named by Director of Rugby Jake White shows a number of changes from last week’s line-up, albeit not in any major disruptive way as the team prepare for Saturday’s Vodacom semi-final showdown with the Crusaders, reports Sharks websiteeditor Michael Marnewick.

With Anton Bresler falling foul to a knee injury against the Highlanders in last week’s quarter-final win at Kings Park and not making the journey to New Zealand, Willem Alberts shifts from flank to the second row, with his place on the side of the scrum taken by Jean Deysel.

The backline sees positional shifts as Pat Lambie starts in his familiar flyhalf position which means Francois Steyn is moved to inside centre and Paul Jordaan wears the outside centre jersey occupied by JP Pietersen last week. He has been named on the wing with S’bura Sithole moving to the bench.

With Deysel having been elevated into the starting line-up, this opens a window of opportunity which has been filled by Tera Mtembu.

While the Cell C Sharks were hard at work last week, the Crusaders were relaxing thanks to an automatic bye but will be a well-settled unit hosting the semi. They’re the most successful side in the history of the tournament and are odds-on favourites to win this clash.

But there is nothing South Africans like more than to be fighting out of a corner and with the recent memory of an historic win in Christchurch during the pool stages of the competition, they will match the home side in the confidence stakes.  

“The Crusaders are a phenomenal team, we’re under no illusions of how good they are and what they’ve achieved, but we just have to prepare as best we can to give ourselves a chance,” explains Jake White.

“They have players in their team who won the Rugby World Cup a few years ago, they have guys who are consistently in play-off games, the team hasn’t missed out on playoff rugby in a long time, and all these guys have been part and parcel of playoff games, so I have no doubt that with the team they have available and the experience they have, they’ll be a massive force.” 

Gooooo Sharks the conniving crusties are going dooooooooown!!!!! 

Teams

Crusaders

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Kieron Fonotia, 13 Ryan Crotty, 12 Dan Carter, 11 Nemani Nadolo, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Kieran Read (captain), 7 Matt Todd, 6 Richie McCaw, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Dominic Bird, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Corey Flynn, 1 Wyatt Crockett

Substitutes: 16 Ben Funnell, 17 Joe Moody, 18 Nepo Laulala, 19 Jimmy Tupou, 20 Jordan Taufua, 21 Willi Heinz, 22 Tom Taylor, 23 Johnny McNicholl

Sharks

15. SP Marais, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Paul Jordaan, 12. Frans Steyn, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Pat Lambie, 9. Cobus Reinach, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Marcell Coetzee, 5. Stephan Lewies, 4. Willem Alberts, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Bismarck du Plessis (captain), 1. Thomas du Toit 

Substitutes: 16. Kyle Cooper, 17. Dale Chadwick, 18. Lourens Adriaanse, 19. Etienne Oosthuizen, 20. Tera Mtembu, 21. Charl McLeod, 22. S'bura Sithole, 23. Tonderai Chavhanga

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
24 Jul 2014, 12:45
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24 Jul 2014, 12:45#2
 Lambie should be fine at 10 with Steyn to provide encouragement should he needs one, just to settle his nerves. 

Smart move for White bringing Pietersen in Madolo's channel.  I expect this chap to be man-handled in the early stages of the match so he makes no mistakes in knowing who is in charge in that channel. 



It's gonna be a cracker, go Mighty Sharks. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
24 Jul 2014, 13:34
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24 Jul 2014, 13:34#3
Need to get some flat ball for Frans Steyn to run on to, and run over wee Dan Carter in the midfield. Carter is a small inside centre, and we need to rough him up by making a few tackles on Frans Steyn, and then Bismaark should be their to tackle Carter when he tries to make a break. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Jul 2014, 15:04
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24 Jul 2014, 15:04#4
It is clear sharks will try their brutal approach. We will see if it works  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jul 2014, 15:21
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24 Jul 2014, 15:21#6

Spot on call by Jake bringing in a real 10 in Lambie and moving Frans to 12 where he belongs.

 

An obvious call

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2014, 16:39
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24 Jul 2014, 16:39#7
 Hope Steyn improves on his abysmal defense record at 12.   
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jul 2014, 16:51
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24 Jul 2014, 16:51#8
Frans is spot on at 12  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:02
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24 Jul 2014, 17:02#9

A very conservative set of choices with a nod to Natal popularity. Jake wont be criticized for any of these picks. He must have pondered about scrumhalf. Flyhalf was  easier, because Lambie/Frans is more solid than Frans/Jordaan. Then everybody bumps out. Having Frans opposite a rusty Carter could be a point of advantage.

 

 

I wonder who will do the kicking.....Lambie has folded under pressure in the past.

 

 

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:30
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24 Jul 2014, 17:30#10
Easy pickings for Carter, there's only one way Frans runs and defends and that's straight forward .
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:40
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24 Jul 2014, 17:40#11

Yep, just like Jamie Roberts.

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:45
#12
24 Jul 2014, 17:45#12
 Difference is Jamie Roberts runs into space and plus Roberts is overrated. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:47
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24 Jul 2014, 17:47#13
 Mozart
For the sake of the Sharks I hope Steyn makes 50% of his tackles this time.  He ahs the most atrocious defense record of any 12 in Super 15 and a worse one at 10.
I am very sorry for Jordaan though - he will never see a playabl e ball from Steyn and will spent his day making tackles that Steyn missed. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
24 Jul 2014, 17:57
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24 Jul 2014, 17:57#14
 Prattex, 96 kg is by no means big, and by New Zealand standards actually very small for an inside centre.  Think Ma Nonu, Sonny Bill, Freun, etc. 
Weight aside, Dan Carter is no where near as physical as these players in contact. They are just much stronger, it is more than weight. Your simple little mind cant understand this.
He is going to be marking the Frans Steyn who is at least 110kg and a far more physical player than Carter- even when they weighed the same.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jul 2014, 18:14
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24 Jul 2014, 18:14#15

Geez Sharktwat, I keep telling you how stupid you are and you keep confirming it........Freun is an outside centre you dunce

 

 

96kg is NOT a small centre  

GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
24 Jul 2014, 20:27
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24 Jul 2014, 20:27#16
 Sonny Bill is a pansy centre. Without the running structures playing off him you just have Jean De Villiers in new skin, but one who can't tackle. Freun is actually pretty good. 100kg or anywhere near that is quite alot of weight specially when you think of it as lean muscle. But as they say in the strength training business, it's you central nervous system that creates the tension, not heaps of muscle. So size is pretty much a dead end topic to begin with unless you are talking momentum in contact.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
24 Jul 2014, 20:36
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24 Jul 2014, 20:36#17
Good write-up about some of the issues discussed above, from sarugbymag

A new halfback combination in Charl McLeod and Pat Lambie would have lent the Sharks some much-needed stability in the crunch semi-final in Christchurch, writes JON CARDINELLI.

Jake White has often said that his strongest attribute is his ability to identify talent and select winning combinations. There are numerous examples that substantiate this statement.

When he was at the helm of the Springboks during the 2007 World Cup, White moved flanker-cum-lock Danie Rossouw to No 8, and backed the then 20-year-old Frans Steyn to start at No 12 in the injury-enforced absence of Jean de Villiers. They were selections that proved inspired.

Apart from serving as a world-class lineout option and bringing some grunt to that No 8 position, Rossouw made a try-saving tackle on England winger Mark Cueto in the final. Steyn kicked the long-range penalty that clinched that game and the title itself.

White has got it right this season by backing Steyn at No 10 ahead of Fred Zeilinga and Tim Swiel. His decision to play S’bura Sithole has been vindicated, as has the reintroduction of Tonderai Chavhanga, a player who scored six tries for White in a Test against Uruguay in 2005.

Then there’s been the experiment with Lwazi Mvovo at fullback, a selection that raised a few eyebrows when it was first proposed. Few will doubt that Mvovo has since developed into a useful No 15 option.

The Sharks have the game plan to win this weekend's match and indeed the Super Rugby title. In this respect, they need players capable of implementing the territory-based approach effectively.

In some instances White has got his selections right for the semi-final, and in one instance he may have taken an unnecessary gamble.

Steyn was asked to do a job at No 10 in the absence of Lambie. His physicality in the first-receiver channel was a plus, as was his formidable line kicking.

In the past two weeks, Steyn has kicked accurately for goal and accumulated as many as 35 points. And yet, it has not surprised me to see Lambie reinstated at No 10 and Steyn shifted to No 12 for this week's battle.

It’s a combination that inspires confidence. It’s a combination that will thrive if provided with a platform, and it will encourage White to know that the Sharks' set pieces are currently firing.

Lambie and Steyn can be dangerous on attack, but they can also contribute with the boot and win the territorial battle. The latter is all-important in a knockout clash.

Going into this game, the quandary was whom to back as the link between the pack and that 10-12 combination. Cobus Reinach is a game breaker, and the Sharks may not have won that league match in Christchurch if not for the scrumhalf’s individual brilliance.

But while Reinach has produced some breathtaking touches and finishes this season, he has also been guilty of far too many errors. His most recent performance against the Highlanders was laden with mistakes, and he was eventually subbed in the 68th minute.

The Crusaders will pose a greater challenge at the set pieces than the Highlanders did at Kings Park. Where the Highlanders and Crusaders are similar is that they are quick to punish poor kicks, and will turn counter-attacking chances into points at the other end of the park.

Reinach kicked poorly at Kings Park last week, and made a few bad decisions with ball in hand. These mistakes often undid the good work done by the Sharks forwards, and at times placed Steyn under pressure.

Charl McLeod is no Fourie du Preez, but is the stronger kicker of the two Sharks scrumhalves. He has more experience, as well as a reputation for fronting in the knockout games, if you will remember the game-shaping contributions he made in the 2010 and 2013 Currie Cup finals.

And yet, White has opted to stick with Reinach.  The semi-final game in Christchurch will be akin to a Test match, in that attacking space will be minimal and physicality and line kicking accuracy will be crucial. The margin for error will be negligible. Starting Reinach is an unnecessary gamble.

The odds are against the Sharks travelling to Christchurch and beating the Crusaders in a play-off match. The Sharks did well to edge the Highlanders this past Saturday, but have to more clinical against a Crusaders team that has a reputation for punishing mistakes. The pressure is now on Reinach to produce a more measured performance.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2014, 20:37
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24 Jul 2014, 20:37#18
 Gonzo
Your opinion on SBW is a joke - and a bad one at that.   Sorry to disagree with you there.  He is an ideal inside center who creates space and off-loads balls magnificently. 
You are right about weight though - Steyn is a flop who cannot do anything constructively as a 12 - despite his weight.   Jordaan is a far better tackler and more likely to make line breaks than Steyn would ever be able to do.     
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
24 Jul 2014, 20:48
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24 Jul 2014, 20:48#19
 His effectiveness is based on the support around him, but it backfired badly in 2011 and cost NZ the Tri Nations title. He was then dropped beneath Nonu and actualy wasn't that good in the WC when he featured. Jake totally shut him down in 2012 and quite effectivelt exposed him. He has uses but is far from a great or complete 12. He is way better suited to league. Jordaan was badly exposed on Saturday Mike, badly! He was the weak link in the backs. Frans was the better of the Sharks.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2014, 20:59
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24 Jul 2014, 20:59#20
 Gonzo
Who shut SBW down in 2012 - it was Jordaan.   Effective defense can reduce his value - but defense against him is not always effective.  T
he one that was badly exposed on Saturday was the shit poor Francois Steyn - who made less than half the tackles he attempted and Jordaan constantly and to cover for him as well.   The fact is that Jordaan made 10 out of 11 attempted tackles - missing one tackle.  Steyn made 4 out of 9 tackle attempts - missing 5.   If that does not being badly exposed - what is?   
Sorry - but if it was not for Jordaan saving two tries after the normal Steyn bugger-ups - the Sharks would have lost that game.          
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
24 Jul 2014, 22:15
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24 Jul 2014, 22:15#21
 No, it was the Brumbies centres and Lealifano . Jake never coached the Sharks in 2012.
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
24 Jul 2014, 22:23
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24 Jul 2014, 22:23#22
 Also, Jordaan was very ineffective on defence. Holding on is statistically successfully but practically useless. Jordaan got demoted for a reason, he cannot cope at 12. Hence the Highlanders kept attacking the space between 10 and 12 which put strain on Frans more than the converse.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Jul 2014, 23:28
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24 Jul 2014, 23:28#23
 Gonzo sounding more and more like Card. Not convinced yet, but sure sounds fishy.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2014, 23:54
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24 Jul 2014, 23:54#24
Excellent exposition by Cardinelli....thanks Matey.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jul 2014, 03:15
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25 Jul 2014, 03:15#25
 Gonzo loves finding exotic names - he previous was Sun Tzu and Card - with a number of other aliases thrown in in between,   
Jordaan  got demoted - when?    "Jordaan got demoted for a reason, he cannot cope at 12"
Another vague allegation.   How do you know that.  The man had ten times the number of line breaks made by Franbs  Steyn and he beat more defenders in four games than Steyn beat in 17 games.   That despite the fact that he plays outside of Steyn who is utterly useless in passing of balls and sabotage backline play totally in any event.   
By the way - go and have a look at the game against the Blues and how he handled Nonu and then come back and tell me about his ineffectiveness.   At least according to you he is "Hanging on" - Steyn does not even hang on - he just  misses tackles completely.
The Sharks backline can do without Steyn - it cannot do without Jordaan - that is the big difference between those two players.   The abcence of Steyn would in fact eliminate the present malfunctioning of the backline.      
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