Let me dumb it down a little for you, Mozart ...

Malcolm Marx, Edgar Marutllule and  Acker vd Merwe - will all destroy Bismarck Du Plessis today.

Steven Kitshoff, Dylan Smith and Tank Du Toit - will all destroy Beast Mtawarira today.

Wilco Louw, Ruan Dreyer and even Coenie Oosthuizen - will all destroy Jannie Du Plessie today.

Eben Etzebeth, Lood De Jager and Ruan Botha - will all destroy Bakkies Botha today.

Pieter Steff Du Toit, Franco Mostert and JD SchIckerling - will all destroy Victor Matfield today

Jaco Kriel, Kwagga Smith, Roelof Smit and Chris Cloete - will all destroy Francois Louw today.

Jannes Kirsten, Jean-Luc Du Preez and Philip vd Walt  - will all destroy Willem Alberts today.

Warren Whiteley, Dan Du Preez and Ruan Ackermann - will all destroy Duane Vermeulen today.

Faf De Klerk, Ross Cronje and Dewalt Duvenhage - will all destroy Ruan Pienaar today.

Damian Willemse, Robert Du Preez and Handre Pollard - will all destroy Morne Steyn today.

Makazole Mapimpi, Aphiwe Dyantyi and Skosan -  will all destroy Bryan Habana today.

Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Harold Vorster and Odendaal - will all destroy Fransie Steyn today.

Harold Vorster, Lionel Mapoe, Am, Swanepoel and Francois Venter  - will all destroy Jaque Fourie today.

Sbu Nkosi, Ruan Combrinck and Jamba Ulengo - will destroy JP Pitersen today.

Warrick Gelant, SP Marais and Andries Coetzee - will destroy Willie Le Roux today.

No need to thank me, Mozart. I realize it's tough keeping up with today when your mind is stuck on yesterday. 

If you feel that I may have made a mistake with any of these choices then by all means feel free to correct me ... feel free to replace any one of them with one of your far better elderly players.

I look forward to your contribution.

CC

There are also players like Ivan van Zyl, Embrose Papier and Jackson to watch out for this year.   At the end of the Super 15 season there can even be more of those.  

Do not expect anything bar bizarre comments from Mozart - he has no new ideas to offer about players and the glorious days of the team under his favourite coaches like Meyer,     

Yes, Mike ... the above list of names were quickly put together. We have a lot of talent in the country.

I'm certain we'll be adding many of the unknown Bulls to our list of Bok potentials. Roelof Smit is one I'll be keeping my eye on. I hope he has an injury free season this year. 

Most of your golden oldies were by 2014 not even provincial players so you are a good one to talk.   

You can only talk of a team when their is a coach selecting and coaching a team and that was absent over the last decade.   WE know you could not see what happened under Meyer and you misjudged the whole situation when Coetzee was appointed initially supporting him until it was clear that he failed..   Only then did you start criticizing him.

So forget about the past and start looking at the present and the future.   The constant harping on what is wrong is stupid.   A person should rather look and suggest what can be done in 2018 ans 2019.   

LOL...very entertaining thread Mozart, CC and Mike....back to square one...nothing will ever change...the favourite players don't incidentally as our aged posters do not...their views are set in stone and their personalities are not compatible...they never will be.

Dear Ol' Maaikie probably knows the gist of the game and he has a devotion to the game more than anybody else here...he is indeed not always right but he has a lot of insight into players...Moses too has a long history into the game but he has a dislike for change and seems a conservative sentimentalist...he still harps on Matfield (who was a great 15 years ago) and Frans Steyn who was a promising player once but died a sudden death with crash ball coaching and because sometimes talented players in young never expand their talents because of conventional thought patterns and lack of initiative and indeed creativity. This is something I do not see in NZ...it happens in England too but Jones has changed a lot of this.

Bissie has had his day..Marx is on the shadowline on his career and many others such as Warren Whiteley... watch Robert Du Preez's sons too...out of the 3, 1 or perhaps 2 of them will write their names in history books of SA rugby if the admin and coaching improves.

Moses...lol...sorry ...I don't know why I had a brainfart...I think I was thinking of Methuse lah.... but as near as damn it.....bahahahahahaha

LOL! Dreyer!!!! The 110kg TH who can't scrum...with some beer boep flab included in that 110kg. I'll take Jannie over him any day.

PS, Moz had some goid things to say about Marx and Akker early on...was a fan of Faf too.

This was the Bok team in 2014

15. Le Roux 14. Hendricks 13. Serfointain 12. De Villiars 11. Habana 10. Pollard 9. Houggard 8. Vermueluan 7. Mohjoe 6. M Coetzee 5. Matfield 4. Estebeth 3. The Beast 2. B Du Pleesi 1. J Du Pleesi

Bit of a mix of youth and expereience their. But as you say its team dynamics Mozart. I am not sure I agree with your notion it was youth that cost the semi. NZ side was pretty young their too with a mix of experience. Like the 2015 Bok side. 

"It isn’t the players its the team."

That is right CC...the right context in what's the real problem...it's the coaching and game plan and the consequence that the teams are subjected to are the result of poor performances.

The facts are, and history has proven it... that an exceptional coach can turn a group of good players into an exceptional side. When good players become an exceptional side it's because they learn skills,and use them to knit and combine into an effective unit...rugby is not won with prima donna's but as a team of 15 men all doing their parts correctly, with all basic skills and intelligence and no room for errors.

There is very little wrong with the reservior of players available in SA. It is all there...

Everything is important but getting the priorities right in the right order is the most important of all...when coaching is right and the right team built and trained to work as a team then the results follow.

It's so simple and obvious but some still don't get it and go on and on...it's really so ridiculous.

Haaaahahahahaaaa!!! It's true what you say, Sebastien. Going on and on and on is all he has left. He's a stuck record ... nothing new to add ... the same old rubbish ... everyday. He tells us that he's just setting the record straight. That cracked me up. He doesn't know his arse from his elbow and yet here he is setting the record straight. LOL!!

Makes me think of his "egg laying 101 counter ruck" lecture awhile back. Boy was that funny?

A team of good players can be taken to the next level by a good coach. He draws their full potential out and they become a team of superstars.

How about a team of elderly players? Those past their sell by dates? What if those very same elderly folks were coached by an incompetent coach? Would they lose to teams like ... Japan?

How about a team of substandard losers? Guys that can't even make their starting line up at provincial level? Like Paige and Kolisi at one time? Will a good coach turn them into world beaters? Hardly likely. What are the chances that a bad coach will have them plummet to 7th in the world and lose to teams like Italy?

Koos Kombuis is right. I didn't dumb it down far enough ... and sadly I don't know how to get it there. I don't think it'll help anyway. He's beyond even that.

Mozart has deluded himself into thinking that the old can compete with the young. Why you may ask. It's because he's having an old age life crisis and cannot accept that he's no longer the man he was. He's been trying to validate his existence with these wonderful stories. He uses exceptional men like Federer and passes them off as the ordinary man in the street. It makes him feel better and I guess he has the right to as much joy as he can get ... however deluded it may be.

Nothing more than a desperate fool ... living in the past.

You are a good one top talk about facts - you constantly write garbage  and then serve it up as "facts".    I would like op see a single posting of yours without distorted statements which you present as "facts"  

I cannot see what is wrong with stopping constantly harping about the  past and start looking at the present objectively and look at performance of players.   Mozart condemns every single player - even those he never saw playing before - and what all other site members (bar him and  Ceradunce ) want to discuss is not the hasbeens of the past, but what is to happen in future.   

That approach on their part leads to repetitiveness and boredom of members.    

"Nothing more than a desperate fool ... living in the past."

What an absolute dickish thing to say to someone.

Werent your boys more successful Moz when they stuck to proper Bokkie rugby ? An enormous immovable [ if somewhat immobile ] forward pack backed up by long range snipers and the odd [ very odd for saffas ] opportunistic wingers ?

Yeah well that was back in 2009-2010 when the law variations suited their game. The Kick chase. Pretty sure the Bulls Backline in 2009 and 2010. Never saw the ball outside Morne. Since they changed the law variations. That suited a more expansive game. I Think SA has gone backwards. Their are better when they build their game around their big tight five. Accurate kicking. And deadly wingers.