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Let the kids play: Players that should get a crack in 2025

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
03 Jan 2025, 12:35
#1
03 Jan 2025, 12:35#1

As mentioned previously, the boks will have a real soft start to the season with opening games against Italy and Georgia, followed by home test against Australia and Argentina before they head over to NZ to see if they can final win two games back to back against the old foe. 


We all have been really impressed with some of the younger players, but I really think Rassie has an opportunity to blood some youngster. To think that Willemse is already 26 and I still think that he is this 19 year old wunderkid 


Amongst the forwards, not many players under 23. Under 23 will be my criteria for the first 3 games with a transition to the older players and the the starters leading up to the All Black series. 


  1. Wessels
  2. Andre Hugo Venter 21
  3. ?
  4. Rahl 21
  5. Ruben Van Heerden
  6. ?
  7. Ruan Venter 22
  8. Hannekom 21
  9. Hendrikse 24?
  10. Sasha 22
  11. Jurenzo Julius
  12. Hooker 21
  13. Henco van Wyk 23
  14. Moodie 22

We seem to have some real contenders at 13 with Julius, van Wyk and even Moodie. Some players already had a taste so it won't be a completely green team and we can always put the old heads like Willie at the back, give the guys a decent pack to play behind and and work on the areas we have gaps. Guys like De Allend, Kriel, Am can either start or come off the bench in those first 3 games just to build up some match fitness. 
I know Dave has being throwing some lock names around, but I honestly haven't seen them stand out match other than Rahl

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2025, 14:53
#2
03 Jan 2025, 14:53#2

The real lock that played  good ganes at lock was  Schickerling -  he was better than the playes Dave mentioned,   Steenekamp is the one prop I would include.  Nche has gone backwards in performance and I think he should get his mojo back.

Hooker ws not good enough last week - but which o the sharks did better?   Noe I can think of,

The player that sould fit into the team is Damian Willemse - he needs game time badly.    .   .  


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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jan 2025, 20:27
#3
03 Jan 2025, 20:27#3
Wessels at loosehead Hanro Jacobs at 3 JF v Heerden at 4, he is regularly starting for the Bulls and is looking better and better and is only 19 Manu Tsituka at 8 with Hanekom at 6 Jurenzo Julius is a simple must at 13 Jordan Hendrikse at 15
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2025, 10:35
#4
06 Jan 2025, 10:35#4

How about Wessels at hooker. Could he be another Marx type of hooker?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 12:35
#5
06 Jan 2025, 12:35#5
Yeah Wessels is definitely an option at 2 but if we were picking a young side I’d play him at 1 as Andre Hugo Venter is a really good hooker
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
06 Jan 2025, 14:35
#6
06 Jan 2025, 14:35#6

Good spot on Weasels, that guy is a freak. He could even play at 7 or 6. What a player. Hope they can find a spot for him in the squad. 

Both him and Venter got bok caps. I see Dwebe has slipped down the pecking order at the stormers. 

Would love to see these guys get an outing 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 15:01
#7
06 Jan 2025, 15:01#7
Dweba has been the starting hooker at the Stormers of late but is now injured I’m a big fan of his - power house Wessels is a good ball playing prop/hooker
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 15:29
#8
06 Jan 2025, 15:29#8
With 2 tests against Italy and one against Georgia I’d definitely use those games to identify the players for the future and give them a run. Against Italy I’d select: 15. Fassi 14. Moodie 13. Julius 12. Willemse 11. Arendse 10. Sacha 9. Williams 1. Ox 2. Dweba 3. Wilco Louw 4. RG Snyman 5. Ruben v Heerden 6. Hanekom 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Roos 16. AH Venter 17. Steenkamp 18. Thomas du Toit 19. Ruan Vermaak 20. Manu Tsituka 21. Jayden Hendrikse 22. Jordan Hendrikse 23. Ethan Hooker Second test vs Italy: 15. Jordan Hendrikse 14. Edwil vd Merwe 13. Moodie 12. Ethan Hooker 11. Tyrone Green 10. Libbok 9. Papier 1. Steenkamp 2. AH Venter 3. Thomas du Toit 4. Jenkins 5. Cobus Wiese 6. Buthelezi 7. Vincent Tsituka 8. Manu Tsituka 16. Grobelaar 17. Wessels 18. Sadie 19. Moerat 20. BJ Dixon 21. Nohamba 22. Masuku 23. David Kriel Against Georgia: 15. Jordan Hendrikse 14. Tambwe 13. Henco v Wyk 12. David Kriel 11. Zas 10. Masuku 9. vd Bergh 1. Wessels 2. Grobelaar 3. Hanro Jacobs 4. Andre Smith 5. JF v Heerden 6. Gumede 7. Ludwig 8. Morabe 16. Dweba 17. Mchunu 18. Frans Klopper 19. Rahl 20. Ruan Venter 21. Jantjies 22. Sacha 23. Rickus Pretorious
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:01
#9
06 Jan 2025, 16:01#9

I’d select Libbok for all 3 games. We need the reliable steadying influence and robust defense in 10 channel of a man like Libbok. Goal kicking is much overrated. And given the object of all this is to discover more about our youngsters, why not find our more about 27 year old Libbok. So it’s Libbok for me.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:13
#10
06 Jan 2025, 16:13#10
YAWN
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:20
#11
06 Jan 2025, 16:20#11

Libbok….and the Year of Living Dangerously!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:25
#12
06 Jan 2025, 16:25#12
I’m game for both
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:28
#13
06 Jan 2025, 16:28#13
I think Manie would be overkill for those games. Why waste that powerful shoulder of his on minnows? ...indeed, why reveal the secrets of his magical goal kicking in nothing games. While on tour, Manie's wife asked him if he misses her. "Of course I miss you darling. Don't you know I miss everything?"
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 16:35
#14
06 Jan 2025, 16:35#14
Fuck me rugby ignorance runs rife
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2025, 17:03
#15
06 Jan 2025, 17:03#15

Libbok and Braveheart

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Jan 2025, 19:25
#16
06 Jan 2025, 19:25#16

Little point in throwing such a random side as your second Italy one into the fray. Nothing will be learned from it, and chances are very good that they'll lose.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 20:25
#17
06 Jan 2025, 20:25#17
Bullshit it’s all about finding the next batch of Boks given the age of our current Boks Tests at home against Italy and Georgia is the perfect opportunity to do that as the opportunity to play weaker sides before the next WC are few and far between
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Jan 2025, 21:29
#18
06 Jan 2025, 21:29#18
What is the point of playing them against poor teams? Do you learn more about a player in a game like that than you do in a URC game against good opposition. No you don't. You are better off playing your regular side against poor opposition, giving them the opportunity to refine their synergy. Minnow games are great opportunities for practice and basically worthless for seeing if players are test quality. From simply watching URC it's very clear who the players are that should step up to the Boks. In fact, it's abundantly clear. So you give those players opportunities, playing alongside regular Boks, in games that aren't walkovers. And you phase them into regular positions over two/three years. It's not rocket science. You learn a big fat 0 from picking a random bunch against minnows.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 21:51
#19
06 Jan 2025, 21:51#19
You learn less having your regular side put 50 points over the minnows Give me my sides playing the minnows all day long
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2025, 22:22
#20
06 Jan 2025, 22:22#20

The right way to do this is always to have a core of the existing team, with your most promising newbies playing in with them.  You judge them more effectively against their colleagues than you do against weak opponents.

Having a team of newbies tells you little and wastes an opportunity to test the more risky elements in your strategy.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 22:52
#21
06 Jan 2025, 22:52#21
Disagree - given the position we find ourselves in we should be using the 3 tests to play the newbies and from that select the best candidates to mix in with the established players moving forward In particular we need to be looking at locks and centres as this is an area where we have failed to introduce youngsters
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2025, 23:15
#22
06 Jan 2025, 23:15#22

Well the genius will undoubtedly be in my corner.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2025, 23:37
#23
06 Jan 2025, 23:37#23
That’s what makes him a rugby genius - you just never know with him Thank fuck we have one of if not the best coach to ever coach the game Three WC’s in a row will never be matched ever again Hail Rassie you beaut
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 00:59
#24
07 Jan 2025, 00:59#24

Hahaha…..now there’s some screwed up logic.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 00:59
#25
07 Jan 2025, 00:59#25

Three WC’s in a row will never be matched ever again

Don't know about never being matched again but I know it will be awfully hard.

Rassie is so far ahead of any other coach and has the runs on the board to prove it.

Suck it up!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 02:59
#26
07 Jan 2025, 02:59#26

Actually he has only won two in a row moron. It will never be matched again because it hasn’t happened….hahaha. No wonder Peeper calls you Dense.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2025, 06:25
#27
07 Jan 2025, 06:25#27
Ever surprised a mouse in the kitchen and it gets such a fright that it crashes into everything as it runs away. ...that's Denise for ya.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 06:33
#28
07 Jan 2025, 06:33#28

Actually my post wasn't directed at you......and you knew that. You're just spoiling for a fight......I know you are, ever since I disagreed with you.......as I've said you're a top bloke as long as one agrees with everything you say......kinda Trump like.

But here's the kicker......No wonder Peeper calls you Dense. Lets say I am. So then based on that logic there is no wonder why Rooinek calls you Moffie?


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Jan 2025, 06:44
#29
07 Jan 2025, 06:44#29
It’s always good to include more youngsters where ever you can. But picking a few of the older more experienced ones to guide them, makes sense as well. Erasmus will certainly carry on with picking his team based around a experienced Core. He certainly will not underestimate Italy or Georgia.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 06:54
#30
07 Jan 2025, 06:54#30

But picking a few of the older more experienced ones to guide them, makes sense as well.

Agreed, Rassie has made some mistakes in the past but he gets a lot more right than what he gets wrong. He's bang on track to win a third WC. Matter of fact if they had the WC next week then there is no better prepared team to win it than the Boks.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Jan 2025, 08:30
#31
07 Jan 2025, 08:30#31
KC how about Ruben V Heerden at 5. Cameron at 6 and Franke Horn at 8. Marcel Theunissen can also play 8. Another good lock is Adri Smith from the stormers. Another possibility for Blindside flank is Cobus Wiese I would play David Kriel at 12 and possibly Quan Horn at Fullback. He is a useful player. Wessels would be good at LH prop and what about Swampie S at TH? He is strong in the scrums. Two underrated but talented Flyhalf,s, Jurie Mathee and Kade Wolhuter.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Jan 2025, 12:24
#32
07 Jan 2025, 12:24#32

MPOWER, yeah I think those are good suggestions. However, players that are over 26 or 27 could be included but not as Rookies in these games and could potentially find other routes into the team. 

Right now we have the World Cup double boks that are not 30+ with an average age 33 if you look at De Allende, Kolisi, Malherbe, Kitshoff, Bongi etc. We know that Willie and Mpimpi would probably be their last season this year. But I think we are covered in the back 3. 

Cobus Wiese is already 27. 

So if you pick players that are under 23, then by the time the next world cup comes around they would be around 24 - 26. With about 30 test left to get them some crucial experience over the coming seasons. There will be some real testing games for them to be introduced into. We have the All Blacks away and then an official All Black tour of SA which should be amazing. That will give the fringe guys to play in A games and truly show how good they are. We play France in France this year, which will also be great for this youngsters to come through. 


So I hope that the likes of Cameron, Sasha, Moodie, Wessels have around 30 caps by the time the World Cup comes around and it will make our squad so much stronger. If one of them breaks down then it is easy for Rassie to still call on Kolisi which will be 36 or even Eben. But at least he won't sit with a team of 35+ that will take longer to recover plus there will be now a round of 16. Which means all teams have win 4 games in a row if the want to lift the trophy. Then there is the luck of the draw which 23 the boks played the top 5 teams in the world in a space of 8 weeks. With France, Eng and NZ in the final. Having to play Scotland and Ireland in the lead up. 


DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 12:33
#33
07 Jan 2025, 12:33#33

Rassie's plan is to extend the careers of his oldies. Rassie is smart, knows the value of his oldies and also knows that it's nigh impossible to replace their value leading into the WC. Some of them might go one way or another but he'll hang onto the irreplaceable Etzebeth, Marx, Steph and a few others.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Jan 2025, 13:04
#34
07 Jan 2025, 13:04#34

I have to agree with you Denny. I actually saw De Allende in one of the high light reels over the weekend where he actually step around a defender, ran into space, made a line break and then gave a perfect left handed pass for the winger to score. I have never seen him actually glide through the gap like that, ball in both hands and then get such a good pass away. 

As long as these guys play in Japan, they will have a long career ahead of them. 

Wiese, Marx, Faf, Kolbe, Kwagga, Kriel, De Allende, Arendse are all playing well in Japan. Now we just need Pollard and Eben to go to Japan and job done. Given that their season starts in December and then ends in April, with a decent recovery period before the t est window, win win. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 13:28
#35
07 Jan 2025, 13:28#35

Mate, I'm telling you, Rassie has the RWC sussed, his plan is to extend the careers of the oldies, it won't extend if he plays his best side in every test. At the same time h e is also building a seamless B side, a side that is ready to fire on all cylinders from the get go. I've never been as confident about Rassie as what I am at this moment in time.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Jan 2025, 14:22
#36
07 Jan 2025, 14:22#36
The secret lies in this specific group of players that fit very well together…..tight group of hardebaard Manne. Rassie,s Motivational /Coaching strengths also play a role. The boks winning culture has become a habit it seems.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jan 2025, 14:28
#37
07 Jan 2025, 14:28#37

In the history of the RWC there has never been a better prepared side than the current Boks. Rassie is not going to exhaust his best side by playing them on a regular basis, that is just dumb.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:52
#38
07 Jan 2025, 20:52#38
All the more reason to play the rookies against the minnows Perfect opportunity to see what the rookies have to offer over 3 tests Maybe I was wrong in including Fassi, Arendse, Moodie, Willemse, Libbok, Williams, Ox, Steenkamp, Wilco, Thomas and RG they all have nothing more to prove - they belong. So over three tests, I’d go with the following: Fullbacks: Jordan Hendrikse, David Kriel Wings: Edwil vd Merwe, Green, Tambwe, Zas Centres: Hooker, Jurenzo Julius, Henco v Wyk, David Kriel, Rickus Pretorious Flyhalves: Sacha, Masuku, Jordan Hendrikse Scrumhalves: Hendrikse, Papier, Nohamba, vd Bergh Props: Wessels, Mchunu, Sadie, Jacobs, Klopper Hookers: Dweba, AH Venter, Grobelaar Locks: Moerat, Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, Cobus Wiese, Jenkins, JF v Heerden, Rahl, Andre Smith Loosies: Buthelezi, Theunissen, BJ Dixon, Ludwig, Ruan Venter, Vincent Tsituka, Elrigh Louw, Hanekom, Roos, Manu Tsituka, Gumede, Morabe
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jan 2025, 04:23
#39
08 Jan 2025, 04:23#39

A lot is going to depend upon how Rassie manages the oldies and how effectively the oldies hold up.......let's not forget that no-one beats father time. So Rassie would have to keep the oldies ticking over but at the same time energized. That is Rassie's challenge and he's fully aware it's the only way his plan will work. He only has to manipulate their contribution for three games of the WC which is the quarters, semi's and final to achieve maximum benefit from his plan.

As an example one is reminded of that memorable semi in the RWC when England played out of their skin to beat the AB's but had nothing left in the tank against the Boks the following week to realise where Rassie is coming from. Rassie's plan won't allow what happened to England to happen to the Boks.

And while the opposition prepares they will also have to prepare for the added individual brilliance and fire power at Rassie's disposal.....which is Williams, Sacha, Moodie, Fassie and Willemse not to mention Kolbe and Arendse.

Bring it on, it seems like there are interesting and exciting times ahead for Bok rugby who are fortunate to have a coach like Rassie pulling the strings.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Jan 2025, 06:19
#40
08 Jan 2025, 06:19#40
Dave, again... What is the point of playing a random newbie against crap opposition. What do you learn?
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