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Life down under with Jake

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jul 2012, 18:12
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04 Jul 2012, 18:12#1

for those who can drag themelvs away from the Beeno stalker Katie Holmes thread!

Ex Sport 24

There’s something very intellectual about Jake White. (Explains snapser problem with the guy!) 

As he chats away on the phone from Canberra, I imagine him looking honestly at me from behind his new ebony-coloured spectacles, and sincerely responding to my probing examination.

For all intents and purposes, Jake is not a man of few words, which just about defies his academic demeanour. If talking rugby were an Olympic sport, Jake would be the only entrant, as the others would cry off in shame.

The current Brumbies mentor’s transition from the hustle-bustle of South Africa to the tranquil valley surroundings of Canberra has been fairly seamless, helped in no small part of having previously resided in Stellenbosch. “The people in the community have been really friendly, probably due to the fact that the team is doing so well.”

And his commitment to the Brumbies is nailed to just about every mast in the Australian capital: “My wife is here, but my two boys are still in Cape Town at school and university. I have tried to show the players that I am committed to get the job done by not commuting back and forth. I’ve only been home once, for the tour.”

South Africans jumping ship to Australia is not a new thing, but Jake bashes down the perception that given the apparent similarities of the two countries, moving eastward is uncomplicated. “I’m loving being out of my comfort zone. Aussies actually don’t do things the way we do things in SA. That’s not to say what we do in SA is right!”

Upon his arrival last July, he discovered an almost unrecognisable Brumbies outfit. The once-famed modern rugby trend-setters were hovering in the depths of Super Rugby classification. “They had lost that edge, but their saving grace was the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) on their doorstep.”

He instantly set about his work, onboarding former Brumbies household names George Gregan and Eddie Jones as consultants, and rekindling the AIS relationship. It unquestionably has the aroma of former Brumbies’ glory days.

He consciously also made the decision not to bring any South Africans over - staff or players. “I did not want to bombard. I first wanted to see how the organisation worked, what was at their disposal and then decide how to add value.”

He then appointed Waratahs defector, Ben Mowen, as skipper
as he was convinced that he was the right guy – a la John Smit - to complement his coaching ideology. “I’ve never seen a successful coach who has a poor captain. I decided early so that we all got behind him, and also to break up the cliques that can form.”

Against all odds, the turnaround was almost immediate
. “I really enjoy being allowed to do what I want, pick, recruit and substitute who I want. It’s just great to compete in the real world.”

We both snigger, but it papers over the cracks of a South African system racked with obtuseness
. I breathe a sigh of relief; I’ve hit a soft spot. The frost of those words begins to set in.

As for South Africans crossing the pond, Jake isn’t completely shutting the gate. “You’re allowed two foreign-based players in Australian franchises, and they become eligible for Australia after three years if they choose. But it’s a professional sport so if a guy upskills himself then returns home, then great. André Vos did that and became Bok captain. The converse is that you get guys like Dan Vickerman and Clyde Rathbone who became Wallabies.”

Now for the acid test. Would he coach the Wallabies? After all, his good mate Mickey Arthur got another crack at coaching cricket internationally, and is doing superbly with Australia. “I’ve made no secrets of the fact that after this job I’d love to coach international rugby again, wherever the opportunity is, and test myself at the best level.”

I also give him the opportunity to explain the Lions debacle in which he was embroiled
. He is candid in his response. “The reality was I offered my services as a consultant to look at the organisation from a rugby point of view and was paid a consultancy fee.” I sense his irritation at being asked.

“Which part should I claim - the Currie Cup win or their current Super Rugby failings? A lot of things did change when I left, but it’s not necessarily because of me. I truly believe Kevin de Klerk (Lions CEO) was thankful.”

Our time is limited, so I had one for the road. “Jake, how many Brumbies would make the Springbok team?”

His reply was more delightful than I could have ever envisaged. “Now that I’ve realised what the answer is, none of them, because they’re all eligible to play for Australia.” Bingo.

Good luck to you Jake -go and win the OZ conference!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jul 2012, 18:54
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04 Jul 2012, 18:54#2

YAWN

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
05 Jul 2012, 01:31
#3
05 Jul 2012, 01:31#3

 Even more yawn

GR
greenClub Pro179 posts
05 Jul 2012, 11:44
#4
05 Jul 2012, 11:44#4

Mega yawn

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
05 Jul 2012, 12:27
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05 Jul 2012, 12:27#5

Ag voetsek okes, its interesting!! That last answer would put any politician to shame. LOL That is a brilliant avoid!!

GR
greenClub Pro179 posts
05 Jul 2012, 13:14
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05 Jul 2012, 13:14#6

Just ragging you Beeno, lol...

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
05 Jul 2012, 22:48
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05 Jul 2012, 22:48#7

 What he has done with the Brumbies is impressive. Would have been great if he had free reign with the Boks

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Jul 2012, 23:44
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05 Jul 2012, 23:44#8

 I struggle to see what he has done with the Brumbies and he was poor with the Boks but for a WC win thanks to Jones, a great squad and an easy ride to the final

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
06 Jul 2012, 00:11
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06 Jul 2012, 00:11#9

 Cmon Saff - give the guy some credit. Has the Brumbies playing well. They will probably have 11 wins by the end of the compo with Waratahs and Blues coming up. Massive improvement from 4 last year.

 

I think his hands were tied with Boks (selection, Watson, diversity) and it seemed like he had more people looking over his shoulder than any coach previous. Got the Boks peaking at just the right time with the right combinations and it carried over into 2009 as well.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jul 2012, 01:52
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06 Jul 2012, 01:52#10

 Disagree, his Bok record speaks for itself and why would he have been treated any differently to any other Bok coach - I dont buy that at all. Did not rate the guy and he he never came across well - my opinion of the bloke will never change - average coach with the personailty of a wooden spoon

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Jul 2012, 15:18
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06 Jul 2012, 15:18#11

Saff, he turned the Brumbies around in one season...with basically a no-name squad of players. Say what you want about him as a Bok coach, but he has worked wonders for the Brumbies.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jul 2012, 16:20
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06 Jul 2012, 16:20#12

You dont need names, you need good players, which is what he has. And his squad is no different to all the other squads - all the squads have lost many established players - look at the Bulls, Stormers and Sharks for a start

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jul 2012, 16:30
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06 Jul 2012, 16:30#13

 The Bulls, Stormers and Sharks were not bottom of the log at the end of last season.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Jul 2012, 16:38
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06 Jul 2012, 16:38#14

Saff, I reckon you are so anti-Jake that you are unable to see what he has done for the Brumbies. Yes all teams lost players, but the Brumbies lost players too....after their worst year ever last year, so they were arguably even worse off, because when they'd hit rock bottom, they then lost basically all there reputable players as well. New team, new and inexperienced players,  new coach (In your opinion a crap one), and nothing indicating that they would achieve anything this year, yet there they are, topping the Auzzie conference, and rightly so. And you say there is no credit due to White...and the coaching team he selected....get past you bias man. Sorry man, but I don't buy into your reasoning.

 

Answer me one question, at the start of the season, would you honestly have given the Brumbies a sniff at topping the Auzzie log?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jul 2012, 16:54
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06 Jul 2012, 16:54#15

Given the Reds, Tahs and Rebels have nothing of note, the chances of the Brumbies topping their conference was on the cards - and they might be pipped yet.

I know Jake as a coach, he is average, why should that change given he is now coaching the Brumbies

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Jul 2012, 17:02
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06 Jul 2012, 17:02#16

Saff, I can normally appreciate your logic, even if I don't always agree 100% with it. But on this one we are on opposite sides of the fence. Who should we credit the Brumbies successful season so far to? The alignment of the stars, spot betting, the will of the Gods.....it is more than random blind luck that they are where they are. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jul 2012, 17:08
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06 Jul 2012, 17:08#17

I dont think they have been that good at all, they seem to have had the easy ride, beating all the Oz sides, losing to the top SA sides and not playing the top Kiwi sides - you get the picture?

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Jul 2012, 17:23
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06 Jul 2012, 17:23#18

You've said it yourself, they beat the other Auzzie sides, that was not meant to be possible at the start of the season. Also, they beat both NZ sides they played, and that does not include the blues. But again, agree to disagree.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jul 2012, 18:08
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06 Jul 2012, 18:08#19

Cant say one can rate the Oz sides though, they have been pretty average. Sorry I just dont rate Jake as a coach and if one puts the Brumbies performances into perspective not much has changed. They beat the Force by 2, Cheetahs by 1, Highlanders by 7, Tahs by 17 , Canes by 12, Rebels twice (wow), Lions by 14 and lost to the Chiefs, Sharks, Reds twice and Bulls - its hardly an impressive record now is it and in fact the Reds have beaten them twice.

So the Brumbies have beaten all the bottom of the table sides except for the Canes and have lost to the top ranked sides - how good is Jake really?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
07 Jul 2012, 01:36
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07 Jul 2012, 01:36#20

 Any Jake White team has a good defence. He took the Roedolf Straulie misfits and turned them into the Tri-nations winner the first year he coached them. The Brumbies have been the basement dwellers since the retirement and departure of their Legendary Wallabies - Gregan, Larkham, Gitteua(young version). 

I would say he is a pretty good coach. Not much on attack but all of his teams seem to have a massive defence.

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