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Likely Bok team

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES392 VIEWS· 13 Aug 2013, 15:04
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:04
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13 Aug 2013, 15:04#1
The writers at Keo are expecting this team: - - Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira. - I have no serious problem with any of these selections, except Basson. I still have reservations about JJ's defence, but that shouldn't emerge against the Pumas. This is a very sound team with 4 Bools, 2 Cheetahs, 5 Stormers or ex Stormers and 4 Sharks or ex Sharks. There is great geographical balance and there are only 2 players who never participated in the S15. - In terms of new talent, relative to last year there is JJ and Willie and the pack is the same as we saw on the YE tour. None of the lightweights have made it. If anything, there are questions about loosie mobility and Jannie...in the pack. - So, despite all the hysteria, what seems likely to emerge is a very sensible Bok team. So much for the Bok Bawrongmeter
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:14
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13 Aug 2013, 15:14#2

That is 100% what I think the Bok team will be, Meyer has mentioned that Coenie will have more game time though and the new scrum laws will help rather than hinder him. 

The only person I'm worried about on defence is Basson.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:22
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13 Aug 2013, 15:22#3
The team is likely to look a bit different - to cater for Meyer's preference for non-performing players. I can at first glance count six non-performers in that team - so let's not insult the glorious name of Springbok and call it Meyer's team. However, we shall see what comes up tomorrow and then wait with baited breath to see what happens over the next two weeks. Even a narrow victory over Argentina would spell disaster for the rest of the RC competition by Meyer's team..
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:22
#4
13 Aug 2013, 15:22#4
Meyer may be right about the new scrum laws and Coenie. He is a powerful man, but seems to struggle with the hit. Perhaps a more static start will help him.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:25
#5
13 Aug 2013, 15:25#5
OOM you are waiting with "baited" breath? Which bait would that be, rooiaas or nice three day old prawn? See your dentist man!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:28
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13 Aug 2013, 15:28#6

 Mozart: thanks for giving us a sensible rugby topic to focus on. It is like raw meat thrown to starving lions, it should distract them for a while, lol

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:35
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13 Aug 2013, 15:35#7
Hahaha....ja these okes are digging deep today. Just as long as we don't have any atheists doing the goal kicking hey?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:37
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13 Aug 2013, 15:37#8

 

Can't see him changing much apart from maybe starting with Bismarck.

 

Is Kirchner already overseas? If not I would say he's a definite starter.

 

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:45
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13 Aug 2013, 15:45#9
Kirchner wont start in this test. Willie has a huge wave of support and the Pumas are not likely to beat us at home. When the test result is in doubt we will see the extent Meyer's belief in the Willie phenominon.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:51
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13 Aug 2013, 15:51#10

Interesting saffa team doesn't look too bad in writing... Surprised cheetahs back row never make the cut as from my POV the premium back row of the comp this year in fact would go so far to say cheetahs entire forward pack was the most well rounded..

I think Morne obviously the safe bet particularly when come up against wobs and kiwis. But Ruan......? Surely any number of half backs that could slot in in place of him...

@justwin I agree that some actual rugby might turn the topics away from personal attacks on ones character, nationality and / or beliefs and..... back to rugby.... 

Anyway can't wait to see new look wobs come out swinging and hopefully do it for 80 to make the 2x home games v nz bearable...

 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:59
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13 Aug 2013, 15:59#11
That is the side that will be selected. Its an average side that sells us short. This side will not beat Oz or NZ. Basson, Morne, Pienaar and Kruger sell us short. Jean, Louw, Alberts and Vermeulen are not the best in their respective positions and same can possibly be said of Jannie and Strauss. Its a typical Meyer side that sells us short
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
13 Aug 2013, 15:59
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13 Aug 2013, 15:59#12

 If Kirtchener isn't on the bench IMO that's when Meyer has full belief in Le Roux.

 

The bench is up for debate.

 

Ruan is definitely starting according to Supersport with Du Preez on the bench, I'd like to see Kolisi on the bench over Coetzee.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Aug 2013, 16:22
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13 Aug 2013, 16:22#13

Moz, like you I don't like Wooli Booli so I hope he doesn't start, I still don't see value in Pienaar or Kruger and Basson is also not a Bok...but hey, each to his own and Meyer must step into the breach. Of major interest will be Meyer's gameplan.....what do  you guess that will be? I hope it's not about kicking the leather off the ball, there's enough legs in the team to run it.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2013, 16:35
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13 Aug 2013, 16:35#14

 

Forgive my ignorance ... but who the hell is this "wooli booli" you guys keep referring to?

 

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Aug 2013, 16:41
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13 Aug 2013, 16:41#15

 Mozart & Beeno1, we need you for your humour and wit in the Fantasy Rugby. My last appeal!

Here are some excuses you could use in the unlikely event that your Fantasy Rugby team has a bad week. See allcan be rationalised and explained :) Emoticons have been provided for Beeno1 where possible.

1. I was on vacation (or travel for the job) & couldn't get internet access;

2. The system did not register my changes even though I confirmed them.

3. I was too tied up  with my golf & couldn't be bothered to deal with showing you cretins that you are indeed without rugby knowledge (or education either (smirk is required when using this excuse))

4. You dimwits fail to understand my long-term strategy. It's all a matter of strategic positioning with the judicious use of transfers (condescending grin required when using this, nose should he held high also) 

5. I did not have time as I was searching for emoticons in order to try and get through to you half-wits. It's like talking to  brick wall.

6. I was running my business ventures & just didn’t have the time deal with the Fantasy crap. (Actually my news paper route was cancelled & I was pleading with the boss to get it back) 

7. The coach is such a worthless piece of crap that the players I wanted to select are not even available.  

8. Picking players from this bunch is like fishing in an empy barrel & I couldn't be bothered 

9. I had such strong reservations about the team the coach selected that I did not want to dignify this team by selecting any of the players (storming out of the room required once this excuse is used).

10. Statistically speaking I should be top of the table as when you divide the points each player earned by the time they were on the field clearly I won. I seriously question the algorithm used by the cretins running the show.

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
13 Aug 2013, 18:04
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13 Aug 2013, 18:04#16

 Good team if that is what is announced - better than last year on form and talent.  Would like to see FDP get extended game time so we can see if he still has the goods and that debate can be put to rest. I hope they are insisting he returns to SA rugby (at least Super Rugby) next year if they plan on his long term use.

 

Very disappointed to see Louw resign with Bath. Would love to know what, if anything, SARU offered to get him back into the fold as well as he is obviously part of the long term plans.

 

Maybe this overseas player use is just a part of the reality of the professional era and a reality of a weak currency and just needs to be accepted, however I would like to see SA rugby set up an amateur draft system much like the NFL where any SA youngster would have to declare their intention to go professional and would be entered into a pool of players for that years draft from which the Super Rugby regions would be able to select and have exclusive negotiating rights to sign to a contract. The term of the initial contract needs to be 4 or 5 years - sufficient time for the team to see reward from their investment - after which time the player becomes a free agent and can sign with whomever. Super Rugby teams need to be salary capped and there should be profit-sharing amongst the teams. This would ensure teams would be evenly matched talent-wise, young talent would be able to come to the front instead of buried on the depth chart at one of the big three Super Rugby regions and it would provide a level of equality amongst the regions that would ultimately benefit the Springboks. The intangibles is what would separate one team from another - the coaching and culture of the organization.

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2013, 18:12
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13 Aug 2013, 18:12#17
Saffex I am with you on that one. I think that Meyer is a dolt who is selling us short. I have real problems with all the players mentioned by you - but differ on De Villiers - his performances do not justify replacement. The rest are just Meyer's selections - which have proved to be way off the mark in the past. I am especially worried about the immobile back row. It is not as if Alberts have not let us doan in the past - Remember he was to blame for both tries scored by Samoa. Slow and ineffective in defence and attack. I dfinitely prefer a more mobile backline that can be effective and link up with the backline in attacking moves. Both vermeulen and Alberts are not effective ball carriers and they are incapable of proper ball handling - so that is a major minus as well. And then we have the gruntless Kruger. He really is not good in any component of the game. According to Mozart he is the top line-out man around and an "agile" defender. All available stats indicate that he is neither and Mozaqrt has suddenly gone very quiet on that allegation. I do not mind Louw - but the other two are not of any real value and so is Kruger. Looking at he last three matches in Super 15 - Steyn showed the same signs as he did in the late martches in Super 15 last year - and I believe that is kicking game is on the point of collapse - I will not be surprised iuf his goal kicking on Saturday will be below 60% success rate. He remains a liability on attack and his strategic kicking is a joke. Final analysis - if Meyer's team win by less than 10 points on Saturday and scrape in with a victory - the rest of the campaign is doomed. Wait for the cries of triumph of the Meyer suckers - if the Boks manage to squeeze in a win.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
13 Aug 2013, 21:56
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13 Aug 2013, 21:56#18

 This sounds like a coach that wants to start FDP:

 

""I was very impressed with Fourie du Preez today (Monday), I always knew he was a world-class player and it's been an honour for me to coach him since he was 19-years-old," said Meyer.

"He hasn't lost anything. I know it was the first training session, but the small touches on the ball and the way he puts the forwards through the gaps.... I am very happy that I brought him in."

 

And this from the backline coach:

 

 

"The Springboks have battled for continuity in the crucial scrumhalf position and Loubscher said the return of veteran Fourie du Preez to the squad had been a major boost.

"He's a world-class player, there's no need to elaborate on his credentials.

"He just slotted right back in, I was impressed, I thought he did really well in training. He brings great experience to the team and he makes it much easier for me as the backline coach."

The former Springbok wing said he was excited by the prospect of Du Preez and flyhalf Morne Steyn playing together again because they had each proven their ability to perform under pressure."

 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Aug 2013, 07:27
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14 Aug 2013, 07:27#19
A lesson regarding past-legends.... George Gregan excellent half back in his day and WHO could ever forget THAT TACKLE on Wilson....????!!! BUT he overstayed his tenure got older and slower and developed a sideways step before passing.... as any good half back knows get it out and QUICK.... Beware what you guys are hoping for I think a number of saffa half backs should be at least blooded against Argies....? Its quite clear from afar that Meyer is looking to play NH style rugby with lots of kicking - or why else would Morne be there.... it is % rugby but v ABs and lesser extent Aussies you will need to score trys...........
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