The soft boys from the islands are currently down 55-14.
Lions have some very fast black wingers ripping them to shreds amongst others. Given the fat samoans are ranked 7 in the wolrd the Lions are looking very good.
Seems the queens will have only a brief year in Super 15?
Its now 62-14 and the island boys are out for the count. Hahahahahahaha poooooie wont be pleased!
What a hiding!
Sorry before you can blink its 69-14. Brilliant rugby from lions!
Pity twits like ou bedpan dont support their side!
Final score 74-14. Lionel Cronje doing superbly.
An excellent display of attacking rugby backed up by the hard hards. A wide awake side full of enterprise.
As for the isalnd boys - carrying to mauch island lard. one of their props weighed in at 140 kgs but was useless. One must have size and ability as i always say.
Superb display by Lions.
Beeno - that was against Samoa's first XV?
poly boy dont flatter yourself that I have any feelings about the island boys. I do think they are dirty players and think too highly of themselves. Take a look at the score Poly!
Oi I tthink they are in fact missing about 10 of their players
Says the Kiwi! Don't forget about Hore's sucker punch last year, oh and Thompsons stamp!
lets not get negative here. The fat samoans though will have to improve a lot to beat Scotland.
It was great seeing the nLions run the ball. Those two black wingers were simply to quick for the samoans. Looked to be a decent size as well.
Let me cut this one short. Why do most think actions of Le Roux, Greyling, Botha etc etc were just? Simple answer
Kevin Skinner 1956
Had'nt heard of Kevin Skinner but apparently he's a NZ folk hero who stood up to the Springbok bullies and who showed them up for what they were; bullies who succumb the moment some-one had the guts to confront them. The way he sorted out one prop and then swapped over to sort out the other prop is hilarious.. and he was responsible for the Springboks losing?
wasnt skinner a boxer who was picked to sort out nz scrumming woes. The wee abs were being pummled by the Bok scrum. To sort out matters the desparate and disgusting abs resorted to underhand methods once again. This thug then went on a punching spree and the rest is history. Another infamous event in the very black ab history. Oooooh the shame of it!
An event they will never live down.
Yes I am correct - ex Wikipedia
He was also a heavy weight boxer, winning the New Zealand championship in 1947.[1]
I found this stuff re kevin skinner a compete thug and twit.
http://springbokrugby.webs.com/introduction56.htm
At the time of the 1956 tour South Africa haven’t lost a test series for sixty years namely since 1896. South Africa played its first ever test series in 1891 against a British touring side and lost all three the test matches (4-0; 3-0 and 4-0). A try was worth 1 point and a kick 2 points in those early years so the tourist outscored the South Africans with two tries and one conversion in the first and last tests and with a try and one conversion in the second test. England toured to South Africa again in 1896 and won 3 of the 4 tests. South Africa, however, won the last test 5-0 and since then never lost a series again up to the time of this tour. By 1956 South Africa had won 37 and drawn 5 of 57 internationals against New Zealand, Australia, Great Britain (Lions), England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales and had scored a massive total of 597 points against 334. Losing only 26.3% of your test matches over 60 years is an impressive statistic by all accounts; the most agonising fact for New Zealand was that by the advent of the 1956 series they had yet to win a test series against South Africa with South Africa being the only nation against whom they have not won a test series. Even more worrying was the fact that they had lost their last two series against South Africa in the most humiliating fashion. In 1937 they lost 2-1, at home, against Phil Nel’s Springboks but were completely outplayed with the South Africans scoring 5 tries to 0 in the 3rd test. In 1949 they were humiliated 4-0, away from home, complaining bitterly, afterwards, about the South African referees. They were nerve-racked about the upcoming tour after the 1955 Wallabies revealed certain deficiencies among the All Blacks in a test series and it was a seriously concerned New Zealand that awaited a Springboks side who had also outclassed all opposition during an end of year tour to the UK and France in 1951/2; losing only one match against London Counties during the entire tour of 31 matches. South Africa was the most feared opponent and the biggest challenge/price in world rugby, by far, and the whole New Zealand nation went into a nerve-wracked state of anticipation and a fever-liked preparation for the oncoming series. Warwick Roger (Old heroes) writes; Before the season started I went to hear Bob Scott (fullback of the 1949 All Black side to South Africa) and the radio commentator Winston McCarthy talk, one evening, about the coming tour. Scott held our interest with his low-keyed analysis of what went wrong in 1949 and what was needed to put things right in 1956. McCarthy was spell-binding as he catalogued the sins of the South African referees, the wiliness of Danie Craven – “This is a man who speaks with three tongues in his cheek,” said McCarthy, rolling his eyes and wagging his finger. Both were adamant that New Zealand had to defeat the Springboks if rugby were to survive and flourish in New Zealand. My hero Bob Scott cried visible tears as he told how he missed kick after kick at goal in 1949. A test series lost 0-4! It was impossible! Now the Springboks were coming and it was to be a fight to the death. The country was unified behind our beloved All Blacks. “There was one aim in life – to beat the Springboks”, reveal Bill Clark the Victoria University flanker who played against the 1956 Springboks in Roger’s book. “The three-test series against Australia the previous year had been seen largely as the start of a trail series to pick a side that would avenge the way they had treated us in 1949.” After the 1955 series against the Wallabies a letter was send by the New Zealand selectors to every representative player urging that every effort be made to meet the Springbok challenge and providing a training schedule which was designed to have players peak at the right time. Waikato, against whom the Springboks were to play their first match in New Zealand, went into training under Dick Everest in December 1955. Terry McLean writes in his book “The battle for the rugby crown”: Having shed many a silent tear over the fate of the Forty-niners, and having vowed many a vow about referees and expert goalkickers, New Zealand prepared unceasingly for months, perhaps years. Radio programmes were devoted to the topic, “Can we beat the Springboks?”; the Council of the New Zealand Rugby Union made no demur to suggestions that every team matched with the Springboks should have two, or even three, preliminary canters and the hardest of heads, and the shrewdest, thought long and anxiously over ways in which South Africa might be mastered. New Zealand didn’t give a damn about a championship; all it wanted to do was to beat the Springboks. Ian Clarke the All Black Captain and the wife of All Black halfback Ponty Reid are quoted by Warwick Roger (Old Heroes) on the intensity of this pre-tour preparations; Ian Clarke: “Social life was non-existent. I worked on the farm, I trained, and ate and slept, and always I thought about beating the Boks. They were the ultimate opponents, unbeaten in a test series. And 1949 had to be avenged. It was an obsession. Every phase of the game was played and replayed in my mind. Our whole household and farming operations were geared to rugby.” Christine Reid: “To me, as wife with two small children and Ponty’s whole life wrapped up in rugby, it seemed that we were under siege. It was like going to war. The Boks had to be beaten no matter what the cost. The build-up went on for months.” The team manager of the 1956 All Black team said to Danie Craven, two years after the series, when they met in Europe during an annual IRB conference: “Danie you never had a change. We planned that you would not win a single test. The fact that you actually won the second test was a major accomplishment for you and your team in itself.” Specifically, the Springboks were distressed by the amount of rough play they encountered and felt that the huge crowd support created situations where referees simply condoned illegalities by local teams. So strong were the emotions that just before the second test the South African team management informed the New Zealand rugby union that they’ve decided to pack-up and leave for home immediately after the second test. The Springboks won the second test and decided to keep going but were severely distressed by what they encounter in the critical third test especially the fact that Kevin Skinner knocked both South African props into submission in the third test. A bloodied Jaap Bekker. Bekker was knocked into submission and was so dazed that he walked around in stupor for most part of the match and afterwards. Craven revealed in the Craven tapes how Skinner had a method of running up behind a player and touch him on the shoulder when the player looked around Skinner would knock him down. According to Danie Craven Skinner did that with both South African props -Bekker and Koch- in the third test of the 1956 series. Craven was so enraged by the tour that he as president of the South African Rugby Board informed the New Zealand Rugby Board two years later during the annual International Rugby Board meeting in 1958 that South Africa would not play against New Zealand again because of the way the South African team was treated during the 1956 tour. In the Craven tapes Clayton and Greyvenstein reveals how members of the International Rugby Board then locked Craven and Cuthbert Hogg –NZRU president- in a room forcing them to resolve the issue. Referring to remarks made by Tom Pearce the Auckland rugby administrator at a public meeting that it was essential for any New Zealand team playing the Springboks to go the field with hate in their hearts T.P McLean wrote: By these and other signs one formed the impression that the country …. had lost its sense of proportion about the tour. Nor could one wholly blame the Springboks for feeling … that they had been drawn into a holy war. Now imagine if we had played Gerrie Coetzee or Corrie Saunders- both world heavyweight champs -simply to knock out the nz props. Man its unthinkable and shows the low extent that nz are prepared to sink to. My advice, whether it be bent refs or stuff like this. Clean up your act kiwis !!! I can't for some reason copy the picture of Jaap Bekkers face.Finally, refs like Craig Joubert who hand the wc to the abs on a platter after teh boks have been shafted big time by a nz ref should know also about this stuff. Give them a fair deal but to be biased in favour of them is plain crazy!
Two interesting quotes:
Skinner: “From what I’ve read over the years you’d have thought the fighting in that third test lasted the entire game, but that simply wasn’t true. There were only two punches –one that floored Koch and the one that stopped Bekker.”
He even boasts it only took two which it didnt of course.
Don Clarke: “Kevin Skinner is quite a modest man but I saw his knuckles after the match.”
The man folks is a nz folk heoroes! No attempt even to deny it. Its as brazen as making bryce lawrence their ref of the year
Again I say imagine if Gerrie Coetzee or Saunders had done the same. Would we ever sink that low?
The answer is of course not. Oooooh the shame of it all. The dark stain that lingers forever!!!
But perhaps we should leave the past in the past but these nz oaks are here to be educated so a history lesson is in guess in order.
I leave the apology due to the kiwis here.
I couldn't resist some more exposes.
For Craven, the South African players and supporters it was this sneer and belittling as well as the fact that he got away with the punching (not once penalized) more than the hitting itself that left a lasting acrimony and animosity (Bryce lawrences dad reffed?). You ask what hovers at the bottom of the Piet van Zyl referee tackling; the Johan le Roux ear biting; the Bakkies Botha head butting and the Dean Greyling forearm smashing incidents and you can trace it right back to Kevin Skinners conduct in this match in my personal opinion.
Every true South African rugby supporter knows about Kevin Skinner and he was and probably still is, as Craven said, the most hated All Black in South Africa. Craven’s attitude soften in later years but he was quoted once saying that Skinner would not be welcome in South Africa and that he would not even greet him if were to come face to face with him again.
Fred Labuschagne wrote of Skinner: ‘His name will always be synonymous with the 1956 tour – at least as far as the South Africans are concerned. Long after the kicking exploits of Don Clarke and the rhino-like charges of Peter Jones are forgotten, South Africans will recall the flying fists of the former amateur heavyweight boxing champion of New Zealand. He will always remain what Danie Craven will be to New Zealanders – the most discussed and controversial figure of that unhappy series.
Kevin Skinner
It always amazes me how Kevin Skinner came out of the 1956 series smelling like a rose (Like ou bryce Lawrence - nothing changes!!!). In interviews on the 3rd test of the 1956 series he projects a dignified attitude of rightfulness and saintliness. In his own mind he obviously didn’t do anything wrong and so convincing is he of his own rightfulness that he was -over the years- able to convince the New Zealand public of his ‘innocence’ (or the justness of his actions) to the extent that he is still regarded as a folk hero of saintly demeanour.
A folk hero who stood up to the Springbok bullies and who showed them up for what they were; bullies who succumb the moment some-one had the guts to confront them. (Yep just what we heard the ignorant and gullible poly come up with)
Fact is he had quite a few weeks (if not months) to plan exactly what he was going to do and how he was going to do it and he executed to perfection bargaining on the fact that the referee will first warn him before sending him off. His strategy was to sort Koch and Bekker early in the match with clean and well planned hits and then let them retaliate and get penalised. His total disregard for rules and for proper sportsman behaviour –especially the fact that he got away with it- took the South Africans totally by surprise. They didn’t know how to react and -like we all seems to do in situations like that- they stood back to assess the situation. This standing back to assess and strategize is generally regarded in NZ as a sign of cowardice; typical bully-shown-up-gutlessness. When they did retaliate they were penalised as can be seen in this paragraph by McLean in his book ‘Battle for the rugby crown’:
In the eighth minute, Koch gave away a penalty by attempting to throw a punch. D.B. Clarke turned that into the second goal. “I don’t know who the New Zealander was,” said the referee, “but if the punch I saw landed, his head would have been parted from his shoulders.” The New Zealander was Skinner. Dr Craven was grieved. “The punch that is seen in the open is not the first punch,” he proclaimed.
I gues this is as sick as it can get. Cowardly punches and then when there is retaliation a penalty. Now some claim you can play to the way a a ref's calls it. True but not to a crooked ref. Do such people exist well in rooitwits fantasy world no. In relality unfortunately they do.
Skinners reasons
Eish, where is the respect brothers? The Samoans could not be bothered about this game, they have bigger fish to fry. Some of their players had not arrived, they even borrowed some local club players - some only arrived a day or so before the game. Samoa, if clever would have used the game to sort out some issues within their team. You can bet your last zumaRand they will be a new/different team come Saturday.
Being disrespectful to teams we host does not doe this country any good!
Kalead I am pretty sure they will be a lot better. However the opportunty to wind up polyboy etc was too much to resist.
His making out that Kevin Skinner is some sort of rugby hero also needing squashing.
Beeno although he did resort to some dirty tactics NZ did not win because of him. They won because they capatilized on our errors, Back then NZ were accusing SA of cheating and SA were throwing the ball around where the Kiwi's had a big boot. Sounds familiar? He was friends with Bekker and those days rugby was a mans game. It was hard and voilent. The first test SA ended up with 13 men and NZ 14 due to injuries,
As for the others who replied. Kevin Skinner laid down cheap shots. He did not front any. Because the Kiwi public thought SA were cheating due to SA pushing them over in the scrums Skinners actions were seen as just by the NZ public. The ground rules were laid back then. And when they say a old school Botha headbuts a cheating scrumhalf we see it as just like NZ saw SKinners actions as just. Just like we see Greylings actions as just just like Le Roux actions we seen as just.
You made the bed in 1956 and you have to receive what you dish out. Next time tell Fitzpatrick to keep his dirty little gouging, pinching and punching to himself then he won't be bitten. Tell McCaw to stay on his side of the ruck then his head won't be knocked off. Tell Cowan not to go and grab a guy twice his size from behind and hold him back then he won't get headbutted.
You can do illegal stuff but doing so you might get injured. That is the message.
So the door swing both ways
Sorry spoony we are talking about putting in a heavy weight boxing champion to knock out our props and when they retaliate to penalise them via a bent ref. Nothingmanly about that!!!! Frankly I have never ever heard of anything like it. This has to be as low as it gets.
Again I say what would have happened if Gerrie or Corrie had done something like this and we ahd penalised nz for any retaliation . Its simply unmatched as a shocker in the entire history of the game.
Good on Doc Craven for protesting. Those nz journalsit were correct the nz oaks lost their way badly and it remains a huge stain in their history.
The same level of protest should have happened re the bryce lawrence shocker - talk abou tdesparation to win. So many parralells here.
Also why did Craig bend over backwards to hand the WC to nz? Baffling really.
Bean Brain trying not to die laughing here but a couple of lessons there for you .
Firstly don't fk with the Kiwis or else you'll get the old one, two .
Secondly try and retaliate and it will cost you dearly - possibly even the game.
Kevin Skinner is a legend and obviously knighthood material so enough squealing like little schoolgirls. To think that it only took one Kiwi to put yr whole team rightfully in it's place... and i thought the Boks were tough...?.
Hahahahahahaha the good old kiwi one two you say you say brycy. I tried to find out how many world boxing champs nz has had given the proficiency you claim re the good old kiwi one two.
Well here is the awesome answer;
Torpedo Billy Murphy won the featherweight title in 1890 Bwahhahahahahahahahaha Now Brycy you will be dismayed to know South Africa has won 49 world boxing titles. I do trust your realise 49 is considrably more than 1 wonder if the judges were kiwis! The simple facts are that nz oaks cant fight - not remotely in our leaugue so I suggets you can your good old kiwi one two. But back to the rugby. To summarise the position. The Boks had not lost a series in 50 years. The abs had been thrashed in the two prior encounters and were desparate for a home win THEY KNEW THEY COULD NOT BEAT THE BOKS AT RUBGY SO THEY RESOLVED TO WIN BY FOUL MEANS. The plan was for the nz heavyweight boxing champ Skinner to take out the bok props. Secondly, should they retaliate they would be penalised by the nz ref. No denial is made of the punches or the penalties for retaliation - they ar econdoned and Skinner becomes a nz folk hero. Rugby has never allowed punching but that is of no concern to the ref. A more cowardly approach could not be possible. I really cannot think of anything more cowardly than this approach. Foward to the recent past. nz are still scared stiff of the Boks and doubt their abilty to win a wc on a level playing field. They have not won a wc fo 20 odd years and are desparate (No bent refs to blow their opposition out of the game). Hence they cook up a plan. It cant be the Skinner approach as with TV and neutral refs etc they would come very short. But they use what they have - Paddy and the notorious bryce lawrence and shaft the Boks through a diabolical display of reffing perhaps unparralled in rugby history. Forward to the recent tour down under of the Stormer nd Sharks. These two sides were robbed blind by bent nz refs. T.P McLean wrote: By these and other signs one formed the impression that the country …. had lost its sense of proportion about the tour. T P McLean (dubbed nz greatest rugby writer) was spot on. Nz in 1956 lost their moral compass and have yet to find it. Note the following kiwi bird brains:The greatest of New Zealand rugby writers Terry McLean, always a patriot but never one-eyed, wrote that, 'if it were possible New Zealand would like to rub this match out of the record'. It was an opinion widely shared among the 41,500 crowd, a Carisbrook record, who chanted 'Red, Red, Red' in the final moments as the Lions pressed at the All Blacks' line. It was, reckoned veteran administrator Arthur Marslin, 'the first time a crowd in New Zealand has called for the other side to win'. The New Zealand Herald headlined 'New Zealand rugby's saddest victory'.
The composition of that scoreline explains the extraordinary reaction. The Lions scored four tries, with one conversion and a penalty - 17 points when a try was still worth only three. The All Blacks' 18 came from six penalties struck by the powerful boot of fullback Don Clarke. Three of those scores came in the last 15 minutes as the All Blacks hit back from a 17-9 deficit. The last was landed two minutes from time after Irish prop Gordon Wood, Keith's father, was ruled offside. "Even then we went 90 metres and were on their line, where we were penalised again," recalls Risman.
Passions cool as time elapses, but he says, "At the time we were very angry. Everybody felt we'd been very badly done by. The discrepancy in the penalty count was way out of proportion. We were penalised about twice as often as they were, a lot of the time in Don Clarke's kicking range. He missed more kicks than we did as well."
"New Zealand Rugby Union president Gordon Brown said at the after-match dinner that the result was 'won within the framework of the rules' for which 'no apology need be offered'."
New Zealand Rugby Union president Gordon Brown said at the after-match dinner that the result was 'won within the framework of the rules' for which 'no apology need be offered'.(NOW WHAT HAS CHANGED - THE TYPICL NZ DENIAL OF WRONG DOING) These were, McLean recorded in his account of the tour, phrases that the Lions in-house jokers, the Irish duo of scrum-half Andy Mulligan and wing Tony O'Reilly, put to a great deal of satirical use in the following weeks.
Weighing up referee Alan Fleury's performance Welsh journalist J.B.G Thomas reckoned that New Zealand officials were, "not biased, but they are not competent" (Folk will seldom call a ref a cheat les tthey get sued). McLean recorded issues both over the "propensity of the Lions for infringing the laws and the quality of the refereeing".
Quite obviously the Lions were robbed blind to such an extent that even the one eyed kiwi spectators turned against the wee abs!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still think however the Skinner saga was when nz rugby reached is nadir
The execise has been helpful in discovering what drives nz cheating. Its the deep knowledge that they cannot be number 1 without it. Time to clean up your act Kiwis!!! Case closed.
Hasbeeno, it was obvious none of your 49 World boxing champs were playing that day as Skinner dealt to both props with a single punch to each one.
Obviously you have never seen the interview Bekker did in NZ a while back where he cried like a baby on TV and admitted all the foul play that had gone on prior to Skinner being called upon to sort the filthy Bok props out.
A 26.3% loss ratio over 60 years is nearly as impressive as the AB's 24.50% over their entire history...yes Hasbeeno, over a whole 100 years!
The trouble with the Boks' ratio is it has now blown out to 37.47%, well on it's way to the dreaded wrong side of 50%! See the trend? You're on that slippery slope to oblivion. I'll bet you now regret quoting loss percentages eh Hasbeeno!
If you want to change allegiances, let me know and I'll email you an AB Supporter's starter pack!
moooo la before isolation, over many decades our win ratio was superior to yours. Since isolation ended the history has become distorted by bent kiwi refs who notoriety grows each year. Also a lot of political interference etc. Once the playing fields are level its tickets for the wee abs.
Those days will return and would have been here 4 years ago but for ou pdv replacing the Maste Jake White - leaving Meyer to rebuild again - yes Jake the one who schooled sir john and sir graham recently.
Prepare for Bok rule moooo la you have been warned.
Beeno Kevin SKinner was a excellent player and a excellent scrummer. Being a amuteur boxing champion was a added bonus and Bekker clocked him when they toured SA.
Hasbeeno, you are correct, the playing fields are not level as we only have a fraction of the player base to choose from compared to the Boks. If that can be evened up then we'd hammer you even more!
Hasbeeno once again ignoring the facts about the doomed Boks on the slippery slope and instead bragging of domination! In your own words.....bwahahahahahahahahaha!!
@beeno1 aka storminged,
"moooo la before isolation, over many decades our win ratio was superior to yours."
WRONG!!!
preisolation winning percentage
All Blacks - 68.8%
Boks - 63%
sSUE/aka StormingED please boet apply lonely brain cell before offering up limp posts like that.
I am talking about pre isolation Boks versus wee abs. We are ahead on that score.
Secondly, Skinner was a pooffda in boxing terms. Would the twit have lasted a round with our world heavyweight boxing champs Gerrie Coetzee and Corrie Saunders. Probably not half a round.
We have had 49 world champions. Your last and only champ was, let me repeat it - Torpedo Billy Murphy who won the featherweight title in 1890. Your last and only champ was 123 years ago and a featherweight nogal but beware of the good old kiwi one two!
No wonder you try and take some comfort out of a nz boxing champ beating up on two Bok props who get penalised if they retaliate by a bent nz ref. But that is soooooo pathetic
HiIlarious stuff from the kiwi bird brains and suSUE in particular!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hasbeeno as usual, quoting mythical stats that are easily disproven and then changing his story to suit when made a complete and utter fool of!
Still no comment on the slippery slope Hasbeeno? You're going in the wrong direction now in your desperation to prove SA are better by bringing in unrelated useless boxing info! Let's stick to rugby eh, something you know little of but could learn a heap about by becoming an AB supporter.
The Lions are looking good but let's face it one can't quite make a judgement call on their performance as the Samoans were darn right awful this past Saturday.
I have hopes the Lions will be competing in next year's S15. Perhaps this was their wake up call.
What to do with the remaining Super Rugby franchise in SA???
"What to do with the remaining Super Rugby franchise in SA???"
It should be a no-brainer. Just put it back like it was right in the beginning and no-one will miss out.
Back in the late 1990s after the Super 10 changed to the Super 12, every region in South Africa was catered for and the Eastern Province and Border regions were part of what was then called the "Coastal Sharks". The problem came a year later when the Sharks bought EP and Border rugby out and they changed the franchise from the Coastal Sharks to simply the Sharks. Dont ask me what EP and Border rugby did with the money, but from then on it was effectively just the "Natal Sharks" and the franchise excluded Border and Eastern Province who subsequently became the "Southern Kings".
To fix the problem, just put it back as it was and there'll be no need for one SA region to sit out in the cold every year.
Great idea!!
It would most definitely strengthen the Sharks and a lot of the Eastern Cape talent would be brought into the mix.
Imagine a class act like Engelbrecht coming on at 8 for the Sharks. Maybe the national coach would take note of him then.
Hmmm ... I very much doubt ol Cheeky Watson would be content to release his grip. I know he professed to be only interested in advancing the regions rugby with its S15 inclusion but we both know that the mighty dollar dictates terms in many cases.
I wonder why this idea never occurred to those in charge of SA rugby??
Like you said ... "a no-brainer" ...
Bean Brain you started this thread with the soft boys of samoa but it turns out that for a great boxing nation ,the big strong yarpy forwards yr always harping on about can't even take a single punch ....did'nt realise you yarpies had such glass jaws
...maybe stick to tiddlywinks
Don Clarke: “Kevin Skinner is quite a modest man but I saw his knuckles after the match.”
Brycy there were punches in the scrum and also the ones Craven mentioned.
I couldnt copy the picture of Japp bekkers face but one punch could not have done that. The twit skinner was playing to his adoring ab fans and trying t omak eout he was a major slugger. Disgusting really.
As a younster I seem to recall the abs over here with the so called legendary Colin Meads. They were getting pumped a susual so wee meads, perhaps recalling Skinners exploits, tried to get uppity with a real legend Frik Du Preez. Frik sorted the poor oak out in a flash and meads was as meek as a lamb for the rest o the series. I was quite surprised how quickly he was tamed!
Bryc your good old kiwi one two is a myth as your boxing record shows. One world title and that won 123 years ago compared to our 49!!!. Please brycy dont even go there! Its funny really talking about boxing as we recently saw old man Botha about to knock out Sbw but getting crooked out of the win by the bout being shortened. God ol kiw one two. Bwahahhahahahahahahahahaha hilarious!!
Poly you are getting flusterred and upset! Please calm down.
The Boks pre isolation were ahead in tests against the abs. Since isolation we have have had huge non rugby issues to deal with and badly bent nz refs robbing us blind.
Be assured you will be living in the shadow of the mighty Boks once again - as you did for all ths many decades. Bwahahahhahaha. Our last hurdles are to rid ourselves of quotas and get the badly bent nz refs kicked out.
As for sevens we are johny come latelies to this code and have never given it much attention. However we can see signs that this is changing. How many times did we beat the abs at sevens this year? You guys can't live with the pace of Senatla and company.
Beeno quietly confident.
