JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Mar 2014, 08:32#2
What is the hurry to get him back as a starter? IMO he should be on the bench and eased in slowly. He had his physical & emotional problems last year so give him time to get his skills & confidence back.
Boshof was doing a great job so there is no hurry.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 11:39#3
Some wise words at last for JW. I shall pause a second and savour the moment.
JW right now Boschoff is the best performing flyhalf in SA. Frans will bear keeping an eye on and Lambie is class.Goosen is still a kid so leave him out of the Bok equation or just play him against weaker international sides - abs etc.
My big concern with Jantjes is his head. To many poor discisons and he looks to be frail under pressure. He does have talent but its the mental aspect that needs changeing.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
12 Mar 2014, 12:33#4
Lambie is one of the most ordinary 10s South Africa has produced in my lifetime. He is as bog standard as Van Straaten, but minus the steel and lazer guided boot. Frans will do a job because he is a competitor. My stance is that given Jantjies has shown far more ability than either Lambie or Goosen the rugby public owes him adoration, to redress the balance in the over elaborate hype bestowed on these two mythical non-entities. But he must be eased into the team first, make a few bench cameos. Ackerman contradicts himself in saying that it depends on the form of the players, Bosh has clearly made it his own. Save Jantjies for later to keep the team fresh.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:48#5
Sun Tzu
I really like the terminology used by you - but you mix up the names badly. Lets correct that with the greatest of ease:-
"Morne Steyn is one of the most ordinary 10s South Africa has produced in my lifetime. He is as bog standard as Van Straaten"
Please make sure the names are correct next time around.
After all Stade Francais did not take to long to find out how ordinary Morne Steyn really is.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Mar 2014, 19:23#6
What's the issue here, Jantjies had a solid first game
12 Mar 2014, 21:47#7
Jantjies was poor, the lions scored no tries while he was on the field, yet he gifted the sharks a try due to a silly kick. Boshoff switches to fly half and all of a sudden they get a try, thanks to a well weighted grubber from Boshoff
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2014, 22:06#9
Saffex
Sorry to disagree - but what did Jantjies do to deserve a rating of a solid game? As far as I am concerned not much at all. He was a negative at best. Missing nearly half of all attempted tackles tells a story about his game.

sharkbok
Captain23,297 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Mar 2014, 22:26#10
The media, the coach, Nick Mallett Rugby Analyst are all talking about the poor game of Jantjies. At least Jantjies has one supporter left.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:35#12
Saffex
I would have done the same as Ackerman did iro Jantjies. He obviously is out of form and the starting line up in Super 15 is not a place where players can recover form. They should start -
* by allowing Jantjies to play for the Lions in the Vodaocom Cup and play a full match or two in that team; and, once it is clear that the cobwebs are gone,
* put him on the bench to get him back to Super 15 level.
Any other line of action would be lunacy.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:47#13
Rubbish, there was nothing wrong with his play at all
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:07#14
Saffex, irrespective of Janjies talent or lack thereof, he is just back from a long layoff and a haphazard season last year. He did nothing special last week and ATM Boshoff is streets ahead. Give it time. I think it's make or break season for him though. Lets see what he does later this season.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:17#15
Boshoff offers absolutely nothing with ball in hand.....all he can do is kick for posts
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:20#16
He's got loads of potential. Not flashy but solid. Got a nice offload in contact as well.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:22#17
PS, anyone that can nail dropgoals from halfway is a threat. Its his first season in SR, lets see how he goes.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 23:09#18
Actually I see Jantjies as offering nothing but gimmicks at 10. He isn't fast, his step is no better than Boshoff, he certainly isn't strong....so what is this suite of attacking skills....chip kicks and unexpected passes that mostly fool his own team. This guy might as well retire. All he had was his kicking prowess, but after he had to be replaced as a kicker....he was left with nothing. This can be played out through more hand wringing sessions....or we can move on.

sharkbok
Captain23,297 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Mar 2014, 23:16#19
It is well documented that most of the Lions tries in 2012 came towards the end of matches.
Most teams expected to beat the Lions with ease and started with the B team players, and then emptied the bench on the 50th minute.
This caused defences to be dis-organised. This is where the Lions got their tries from, and even a player is poor as Jantjies did not look half bad.
Put Jantjies in an important game against a top team that is in form and he will be a joke.