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Lions: Give Elton a fair chance; Rugby 365

Started by Just_win18 REPLIES215 VIEWS· 12 Mar 2014, 08:29
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Mar 2014, 08:29
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12 Mar 2014, 08:29#1

Lions coach Johan Ackermann has come to the defence of under-fire Springbok flyhalf Elton Jantjies.

The wily Lions mentor admitted that they have a tough selection decision to make and are still pondering the question of who will start in the No.10 jersey in a Super Rugby Round Five encounter against the Blues at Ellis Park on Saturday.

However, he felt Jantjies, who played his first Super Rugby game in the 23-37 loss to the Sharks last week after off-season shoulder surgery, must be given a fair chance to regain his best form.

Jantjies, who only featured off the bench in a pre-season match with the Golden Lions Vodacom Cup team before starting against the Sharks, looked rusty and Ackermann conceded that he may not have been at his best.

However, the Lions are not going to rush into a decision about who will be their flyhalf this week or in the weeks to come.

"We are still debating that subject," Ackermann told this website in an interview, adding: "We will make that call later [in the week]."

The decision whether to play Marnitz Boshoff or give Jantjies a fair chance to prove himself in that position is one of the main discussion points this week.

"[We] as coaches, with Swys [de Bruin] on the attacking side [of the subject], are still discussing the issue," Ackermann said.

And whomever gets the No.10 jersey this week, may not keep it for very long.

"It depends how the player perform that is in that jersey," Ackermann told this website, when asked if they will stick to a specific combination going forward or keep on changing.

"If Bossie [Boshoff] plays well in the [No.10] jersey, he will make it tough for us."

The Lions had great success in the Currie Cup competition last year with Jantjies at flyhalf and Boshoff at fullback.

But Jantjies' current form has caused some concern.

"I know people are very critical about the performance of Elton," Ackermann said.

"However, in a week or two he could play very well - what do we do then?.

"That is why I say, a lot will depend on the form of the players.

"The players have to justify their selections."

By Jan de Koning

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Mar 2014, 08:32
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12 Mar 2014, 08:32#2
What is the hurry to get him back as a starter? IMO he should be on the bench and eased in slowly. He had his physical & emotional problems last year so give him time to get his skills & confidence back. 
Boshof was doing a great job so there is no hurry.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Mar 2014, 11:39
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12 Mar 2014, 11:39#3
Some wise words at last for JW. I shall pause a second and savour the moment. 
JW right now Boschoff is the best performing flyhalf in SA. Frans will bear keeping an eye on and Lambie is class.Goosen is still a kid so leave him out of the Bok equation or just play him against weaker international sides - abs etc.
My big concern with Jantjes is his head. To many poor discisons and he looks to be frail under pressure. He does have talent but its the mental aspect that needs changeing.


ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
12 Mar 2014, 12:33
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12 Mar 2014, 12:33#4
 Lambie is one of the most ordinary 10s South Africa has produced in my lifetime. He is as bog standard as Van Straaten, but minus the steel and lazer guided boot. Frans will do a job because he is a competitor. My stance is that given Jantjies has shown far more ability than either Lambie or Goosen the rugby public owes him adoration, to redress the balance in the over elaborate hype bestowed on these two mythical non-entities. But he must be eased into the team first, make a few bench cameos. Ackerman contradicts himself in saying that it depends on the form of the players, Bosh has clearly made it his own. Save Jantjies for later to keep the team fresh.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2014, 18:48
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12 Mar 2014, 18:48#5
 Sun Tzu
I really like the terminology used  by you - but you mix up the names badly.  Lets correct that with the greatest of ease:-
"Morne Steyn is one of the most ordinary 10s South Africa has produced in my lifetime. He is as bog standard as Van Straaten" 
Please make sure the names are correct next time around. 
After all Stade Francais did not take to long to find out how ordinary Morne Steyn really is. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Mar 2014, 19:23
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12 Mar 2014, 19:23#6
What's the issue here, Jantjies had a solid first game  
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Mar 2014, 21:47
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12 Mar 2014, 21:47#7
 Jantjies was poor, the lions scored no tries while he was on the field, yet he gifted the sharks a try due to a silly kick. Boshoff switches to fly half and all of a sudden they get a try, thanks to a well weighted grubber from Boshoff 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2014, 22:00
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12 Mar 2014, 22:00#8
Spot on Corn.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Mar 2014, 22:06
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12 Mar 2014, 22:06#9
Saffex
Sorry to disagree - but what did Jantjies do to deserve a rating of a solid game?   As far as I am concerned not much at all.   He was a negative at best.  Missing nearly half of all attempted tackles tells a story about his game.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Mar 2014, 22:26
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12 Mar 2014, 22:26#10
The media, the coach, Nick Mallett Rugby Analyst are all talking about the poor game of Jantjies.  At least Jantjies has one supporter left. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2014, 14:12
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13 Mar 2014, 14:12#11

For crying out load it was his first game and he hardly let the side side.......I see useless Ackerman has now dropped him to the bench.......one only needs to look at that Lions backline to realise how out of his depth Ackerman is at this level.

 

 

How on earth can you select Deon van Rensburg at 13 ahead Stokkies Hanekom for a start  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:35
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13 Mar 2014, 15:35#12
Saffex
I would have done the same  as Ackerman did iro  Jantjies.  He obviously is out of form and the starting line up in Super 15 is not a place where players can recover form.  They should start  -
*  by allowing Jantjies to play for the Lions in the Vodaocom Cup and play a full match or two in that team; and, once it is clear that the cobwebs are gone,
*   put him on the bench to get him back to Super 15 level.
Any other line of action would be lunacy.    
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2014, 15:47
#13
13 Mar 2014, 15:47#13
Rubbish, there was nothing wrong with his play at all  
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:07
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13 Mar 2014, 18:07#14
 Saffex, irrespective of Janjies talent or lack thereof,  he is just back from a long layoff and a haphazard season last year. He did nothing special last week and ATM Boshoff is streets ahead.  Give it time. I think it's make or break season for him though. Lets see what he does later this season.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:17
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13 Mar 2014, 18:17#15
Boshoff offers absolutely nothing with ball in hand.....all he can do is kick for posts 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:20
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13 Mar 2014, 18:20#16
 He's got loads of potential. Not flashy but solid. Got a nice offload in contact as well.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2014, 18:22
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13 Mar 2014, 18:22#17
 PS, anyone that can nail dropgoals from halfway is a threat. Its his first season in SR, lets see how he goes.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2014, 23:09
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13 Mar 2014, 23:09#18
 Actually I see Jantjies as offering nothing but gimmicks at 10. He isn't fast, his step is no better than Boshoff, he certainly isn't strong....so what is this suite of attacking skills....chip kicks and unexpected passes that mostly fool his own team. This guy might as well retire. All he had was his kicking prowess, but after he had to be replaced as a kicker....he was left with nothing. This can be played out through more hand wringing sessions....or we can move on.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
13 Mar 2014, 23:16
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13 Mar 2014, 23:16#19
It is well documented that most of the Lions tries in 2012 came towards the end of matches. 
Most teams expected to beat the Lions with ease and started with the B team players, and then emptied the bench on the 50th minute. 
This caused defences to be dis-organised. This is where the Lions got their tries from, and even a player is poor as Jantjies did not look half bad.
Put Jantjies in an important game against a top team that is in form and he will be a joke.  
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