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Lions would have swept All Blacks if Eddie Jones was coach - Billy Vunipola; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Sept 2017, 02:06
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22 Sept 2017, 02:06#1

England loose forward Billy Vunipola says the British and Irish Lions would have swept the All Blacks in the drawn June series if England coach Eddie Jones was in charge of the side.

 

Vunipola, who pulled out of the New Zealand tour due to a shoulder injury, made the comments after Lions loosie Sean O'Brien criticised Warren Gatland and the Lions coaching staff.

 

Yesterday Irish flanker O'Brien told Irish radio station Newstalk that the Lions would have won the series 'comfortably' if it wasn't for overtraining.

 

Vunipola told BBC radio show Radio Four Today that Jones, the current England coach, would have done a better job than Gatland.

 

"I wasn't there on tour but I guess if he (O'Brien) is saying it and the authority he said it with, he's probably right.

 

"For me to sit here and say the Lions would have probably won is wrong. But personally my opinion is that if Eddie Jones went as coach they would have won 3-0. He is that good."

 

Since Jones took over as England coach the side have lost just one of their 20 tests. They haven't however faced the All Blacks - a team they have beaten just once in their last 15 tests.

 

"I don't know how he would have done it, but Eddie would have found a way. Eddie has changed our mindset at England from always accepting we can't always be too outspoken and confident and he's really helped us a team to kick on."

 

O'Brien started in all three tests of the drawn series which ended with a controversial 15-15 draw at Eden Park.

 

The 30-year-old, who has played 49 tests for Ireland and five for the Lions, said Gatland and the Lions coaching staff mis-managed the training schedule during the five week tour.

 

"To be honest, I'd be pretty critical of it because I think we should have won the tour and we probably should have won it comfortably," O'Brien said in an interview with Irish radio station Newstalk.

 

"There's the best players in the world on a Lions tour. I know you are playing the best team in the world but with the quality and strength in depth we had, we probably should have won the tour. It wasn't down to fatigue. It was probably management a bit, in terms of how our weeks went.

 

"The first week, we definitely over-trained on the Thursday and maybe the coaches were panicking a little bit about getting the information into us. On the first week [of the first Test], we had a triple [session] day, [the] lads' legs were heavy on the Thursday and we were playing the All Blacks on Saturday.

 

The Lions lost the opening test 30-15 at Eden Park before bouncing back to take the second test 24-21, handing the All Blacks their first home loss since 2009.

 

A victory in the third and final test would have secured the Lions their first series win in New Zealand since 1971. O'Brien says the squad were again overtrained on the eve of the final game.

 

"We did nearly a similar thing in the last week. So maybe it's more [from] a coaching point of view, in terms of taking lessons. Less is more sometimes on a tour like that, rather than trying to pick things up at the end of the week.

 

"There was probably no need for that but it's just the way it was managed. We had said it, at the time, and they pulled back a bit. But it's just about getting that fine balance between players and coaches and making sure the group is ready to rock."

 

O'Brien was forced from the field at halftime of the third test draw after coming off second best from a Jerome Kaino clear-out. O'Brien revealed to Irish site Sports Joe that after the test he found Kaino and said 'you got me good'.         

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Sept 2017, 02:13
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22 Sept 2017, 02:13#2
 Pretty much the same story I cited earlier but  Vunipola adds his voice. More an indication of the high regard Jones' team hold him in than anything else. Confidence in your coach is worth a lot.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Sept 2017, 04:44
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22 Sept 2017, 04:44#3
 Exactly Clouds. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
22 Sept 2017, 07:39
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22 Sept 2017, 07:39#4
 
Well ... to start, I'm sure Jones would have had a totally different mix of players. Many felt that there were too many Welsh players in the mix and based on their six nations performance it may well have been a mistake.  

Jones, whom I regard as the best coach on the planet, would have brought somwthing new ... something fresh. He has a great understanding of the game and loves to keep you guessing. Unpredictable ... a great strategist. 

Whether all of this would have been enough to take the series is another story. I however feel that the Lions would have produce a better showing under him and could well have white washed the All Blacks ... especially seeing that the All Blacks weren't at their best.

I would have loved to see the Lions under him.




TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
22 Sept 2017, 12:58
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22 Sept 2017, 12:58#5
 Looks like players confidence is not that high, with them in need to tell themselves tales.
Players cant change themselves and explaining their shortcomings because of a coach is what they are left with.

Tells that the highly controversial draw they managed to squeeze from their turn is not enough for their self confidence, they need tales to spirit themselves up.

The tour did not work as a booster, it left them confused and shaken.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Sept 2017, 16:50
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22 Sept 2017, 16:50#6
 Not as confused as you are....Kiwi you are methinks. I sense the Dark Side in this one. Fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering...a path to the Dark Side. Trad might just be Darth Sidious!
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Sept 2017, 16:54
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22 Sept 2017, 16:54#7
Evil Kiwi of DOOM!


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
22 Sept 2017, 18:02
#8
22 Sept 2017, 18:02#8
 Now a Kiwi...
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Sept 2017, 18:52
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22 Sept 2017, 18:52#9
 DB, based on your reaction the fear factor is back for the ABs
But seriously it was just one game, one where everything seemed to click for the ABs. They still have vulnerabilities and are still developing (evolving their game). In the next game against Argies we should see some newish faces. The game against boks on their home ground will be a good check as to where the ABs are.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Sept 2017, 21:16
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22 Sept 2017, 21:16#10
 Given the quality of ones as a coach one has to agree with this assessment. Lions should really have had Jones as coach and a win was assured. 
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Sept 2017, 21:29
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22 Sept 2017, 21:29#11
 ...Bean Brain, simple fact is Jones was too chicken sh!t to coach the Lions...he had the opportunity to put his hand up for the job but knew it would be a bad career move ...
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