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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 16:38
#1
22 Oct 2018, 16:38#1

Houwing wrote the following article for News24 and it was a sore heart and sincere sympathy for two of our members:-


“What do you do when caught up in heavy traffic? Nipping off on an alternative route can pay dividends.

You might say that is increasingly what Pieter-Steph du Toit has done in a rugby context: right now he seems more glued in than ever before to his inspiring, converted role - from the second row - as blindside flank for South Africa.

At the weekend, Springbok coach Rassie Erasmus revealed the fast-tracking back into the training squad mix, ahead of the November tour of Europe, of lanky Bulls lock Lood de Jager.

The spring-heeled customer, seasoned at all levels but gratifyingly not quite yet turned 26, has been absent for several months but he is clearly very close to a full-scale return to fitness and smart money suggests he will cut the nod for the four-match trek.

That situation gained further credibility when he appeared as a bib-wearing, side-line member of the Blue Bulls’ Currie Cup squad who did duty so gallantly in the Newlands semi-final; De Jager issued an Instagram photograph afterwards with the words: “Good to be involved in the game again ... even if it was as a water boy!”

Erasmus will know that De Jager, who excelled in European conditions for the Boks at the 2015 World Cup, fits the bill physically (2.06m, and over 120kg) for the tour and apart from his versatility appeal between the two lock berths he would offer one attribute several other pack colleagues may lack at this time of the year: freshness.

The hope would be that he can hit the ground running, a bit like co-lock Eben Etzebeth did when he made such a stirring return against Argentina in Durban despite months of prior inactivity himself.

A lock cupboard of Etzebeth, De Jager, RG Snyman and Franco Mostert is about as good as it gets for any team, and that only enhances the likelihood that Du Toit - perhaps tellingly now branded a “flank/lock” in the latest Bok media release rather than the other way round - will remain at his budding No 7 station in the coming weeks.

He was one of the individual stars of the recent Rugby Championship, across all four nations, and there is a compelling case for saying “why fix something that ain’t broke?” with regard to the way he has embraced the new job.

Du Toit also revealed in an extensive lifestyle/general interview with Rapport’s Hanlie Retief recently that he had shed some six kilograms (from 120 to 114) which only seemed another sure sign that he was working toward the slightly more mobility-geared demands of blindside flank from his days as a rugged second-rower.

If De Jager is in suitable nick to be considered for selection at the outset of the Bok tour - they open with a biggie against revenge-seeking England at Twickenham on November 3 - he may even pip incumbent Franco Mostert to the No 5 jersey there.

The former Lions stalwart is a grafter of serious note, but he is less imposing a physical specimen than De Jager and that quality could see the latter leapfrog him to starting duty on some heavier pitches over the next few weeks.

It is increasingly likely, meanwhile, that back at his home ground of Newlands - where WP are gearing up to host Saturday’s Currie Cup final against the Sharks - Du Toit will also continue his rebirth as a flanker rather than lock for the Stormers when Super Rugby 2019 kicks off in the new year.

A lock pairing of Etzebeth and 23-year-old JD Schickerling - the youngster from Calvinia has been dynamic throughout the domestic competition - holds appeal for the franchise in the SANZAAR competition, and they have other specialist lock options (at least for the time being) in Currie Cup skipper Chris van Zyl and emerging Salmaan Moerat.

That said, rumours swirled in the media a few weeks ago that Van Zyl, 32, might be released in the off-season by the cash-challenged union, although he has subsequently only reminded of his yeoman, calming and no-frills qualities both as a player and leader”


I must admit that Houwing is sometimes questionable in his assumptions and comments.    However, he was fully aware of Erasmus's previous remarks on the lock and no 7 positions.   He also gave an accurate account of the performances of De Jager in the 2015 RWC.   


I can really already hear the rantings of the two members who have fits whenever the names of De Jager and Du Toit comes up.  After all Houwing was in real opposition to our world class rugby analyzers on site.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 18:09
#2
22 Oct 2018, 18:09#2
Well it seems my take that Stephanie may not be physical enough for international lock is spot on. I have previously opined that he needs to compete for number 5 lock....but de Jager has always had his number, and the young Schickerling is a better prospect. And then there is Mostert our lineout guru, drafted back to 5 when Stephanie couldn't handle the lineout calls in the first Bargie test. So perhaps this 6'4" chap with a long neck is better suited to flank and is now losing the lbs he futilely put on to be a test lock. Is he a test flank though....my sense has always been that he isn't. Hopefully we wont see more of those last five minute antics that lost the NZ test. But he had some good moments....vastly hyped though. I still see a certain lack of agility, impaired ability to adjust....that one shouldn't see in your loose forwards. Perhaps the weight loss and agility training can fix that.....time will tell. Still at least one question has been properly settled...some progress.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 19:26
#3
22 Oct 2018, 19:26#3

Erasmus asked Du Toit to be tested at flank because of the sufficient stock we have at lock and we need a good 7.  That is the fact and not the story-telling of Mozart.   It has nothing to do with physicality - Du Toit does not have the long neck and thin shoulders of Matfield -  who was never physical enough to play at lock - so Meyer had to play  more physical 7 which turned out to be the worst loosie SA had for 20 years..  

There is just enough storytelling going around to fill a whole shithouse.  And the untruths keep flowing freely.  You see your normal twisted and prejudiced nothing - all made up by your fertile mind who specializes in tommyrot.    

I enjoy this type of contribution = it is worthless and can just be laughed at.  Happy story=telling day to you.      .   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 19:39
#4
22 Oct 2018, 19:39#4
Happy Aw Goostus day to you Oompie.....imagine the dream loosie team of Stephanie, Liggies and AwGoostus....reserve Wiese. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha. The only fact in all this is Stephanie, after 5 years of the Stephosi telling us he is a world class lock, is no longer even in the lock mix. Stick with moz if you want the real scoop.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 19:46
#5
22 Oct 2018, 19:46#5

This is about lock selection and only refer to the 7 position - another free diversion from the topic.   Mozart - I believe that Mostert will not be in the EOYT squad and neither will be Esterhuizen.   Erasmus is not the fool Meyer was as a coach and he will pick players based on actual performance - bringing Serfo ntein and even Van der Merwe into the picture.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 19:49
#6
22 Oct 2018, 19:49#6
No Mostert and no Esterhuizen okay....time will tell. But you were the guy who had the ABs and Ozzies losing in the last tests.....this probably means both players can pack their bags.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 20:09
#7
22 Oct 2018, 20:09#7

Mozart

I am not the selector - Erasmus is - and believe me he knows more about rugby than you and I.   

It was always easy to get the gist  of Meyer selections - look at the list of reputation players and they would be in his squad regardless of their performance.   

Erasmus are not that easy to read,.  He looks at performance and that is more difficult.   He has norms and our prejudiced members have none other than concocted stories they cook up.    So lets be patient and see what arises.        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 20:34
#8
22 Oct 2018, 20:34#8
So you changed your mind, you aren't predicting Mostert and Esterhozen are out.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2018, 20:56
#9
22 Oct 2018, 20:56#9

Well that is all good news. Qui te obviously Du Toit is a world class 7 and a lock pairing of Eben and Lood outstanding. We could pick a very good pack.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:12
#10
22 Oct 2018, 21:12#10

No Mozart

Definitely not.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:13
#11
22 Oct 2018, 21:13#11
Lomp does about a quarter of the real work, important interventions, and crisp passing that Mostert does. There is no lock playing in the country who gets the ball into the scrummies hands faster and more accurately from the lineout, than Mostert.....but he doesn't look the part. So no doubt he will do wonders for his UK club while our dumb rugby folk wonder why we suddenly aren't looking so good....and old Lomp will laze his way round the park doing just enough to get selected.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:25
#12
22 Oct 2018, 21:25#12

Mozart 

Since I expected some real tall stories I did a summary of De Jager in the 2015WC so here goes:-

Japan test

de Jager

1/0

5

0/5/12

47

1

4

0

2

6/1

5/1

0

0/0

 Samoa

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/4

14

0

1

0

0

8/0

3/0

0

0/0

Matfield started  in this game and did near to zero in the game and was replaced after whic de Jager showed he was the better option at lock than Matfield at lock.  It was the last starting lock of Matfield in the WC – other than a starting position in the bronze  play-off game against the Argentina “B” team.     

Scotland

de Jager

0/0

0

0/1/13

32

0

1

1

1

16/0

5/1

2

0/0

 USA

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/7

5

0

0

0

0

20/0

7/0

1

0/0

 Wales

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/11

7

0

0

0

2

10/0

6/1

2

0/0

 New Zealand

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/3

2

0

0

0

0

14/2

4/0

0

0/0

 In this test Matfield replaced  De Jager – but that proved to be a fatal error,    Matfield lost the first line-out on own throw and caused a convertible penalty turnaround.  

In the6 games listed  De Jager made 74 tackles and missed only 3 - the highest number of tackles of any player in the WC series,    

Now adjust your attitude and get to the real reasons for your dislike of a lot of players - KING PREJUDICE     


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:25
#13
22 Oct 2018, 21:25#13

Mozart 

Since I expected some real tall stories I did a summary of De Jager in the 2015WC so here goes:-

Japan test

de Jager

1/0

5

0/5/12

47

1

4

0

2

6/1

5/1

0

0/0

 Samoa

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/4

14

0

1

0

0

8/0

3/0

0

0/0

Matfield started  in this game and did near to zero in the game and was replaced after whic de Jager showed he was the better option at lock than Matfield at lock.  It was the last starting lock of Matfield in the WC – other than a starting position in the bronze  play-off game against the Argentina “B” team.     

Scotland

de Jager

0/0

0

0/1/13

32

0

1

1

1

16/0

5/1

2

0/0

 USA

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/7

5

0

0

0

0

20/0

7/0

1

0/0

 Wales

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/11

7

0

0

0

2

10/0

6/1

2

0/0

 New Zealand

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/3

2

0

0

0

0

14/2

4/0

0

0/0

 In this test Matfield replaced  De Jager – but that proved to be a fatal error,    Matfield lost the first line-out on own throw and caused a convertible penalty turnaround.  

In the6 games listed  De Jager made 74 tackles and missed only 3 - the highest number of tackles of any player in the WC series,    

Now adjust your attitude and get to the real reasons for your dislike of a lot of players - KING PREJUDICE     


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 21:25
#14
22 Oct 2018, 21:25#14

Mozart 

Since I expected some real tall stories I did a summary of De Jager in the 2015WC so here goes:-

Japan test

de Jager

1/0

5

0/5/12

47

1

4

0

2

6/1

5/1

0

0/0

 Samoa

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/4

14

0

1

0

0

8/0

3/0

0

0/0

Matfield started  in this game and did near to zero in the game and was replaced after whic de Jager showed he was the better option at lock than Matfield at lock.  It was the last starting lock of Matfield in the WC – other than a starting position in the bronze  play-off game against the Argentina “B” team.     

Scotland

de Jager

0/0

0

0/1/13

32

0

1

1

1

16/0

5/1

2

0/0

 USA

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/7

5

0

0

0

0

20/0

7/0

1

0/0

 Wales

de Jager

0/0

0

0/2/11

7

0

0

0

2

10/0

6/1

2

0/0

 New Zealand

de Jager

0/0

0

0/0/3

2

0

0

0

0

14/2

4/0

0

0/0

 In this test Matfield replaced  De Jager – but that proved to be a fatal error,    Matfield lost the first line-out on own throw and caused a convertible penalty turnaround.  

In the6 games listed  De Jager made 74 tackles and missed only 3 - the highest number of tackles of any player in the WC series,    

Now adjust your attitude and get to the real reasons for your dislike of a lot of players - KING PREJUDICE     


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:09
#15
22 Oct 2018, 23:09#15
Lots of process tackles by de Jager, but a big part in losing the WC when he missed Kaino ...one on one. But he looked great against the USA....LMAOFY!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:24
#16
22 Oct 2018, 23:24#16

Mozart

What is the meaning of "process tackles" and why are they only made by players you dislike and tackles always made by your favourites?

Is it true that you do not care how low the tackle numbers of your favourites are?   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:39
#17
22 Oct 2018, 23:39#17
It would be more accurate to say I'm unconcerned about the tackling stats of players I rate, because I never rate a player who is a poor defender....hence I would never rate players like Jantjies, Goosen and Swiel some of whom you rate, because they can't defend their channels.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:41
#18
22 Oct 2018, 23:41#18

Lood is strong, but has poor endurance and mobility. He'll make tackles if he can line up the carrier. In the WC he was benefitted by the role he played on breakdown defence and the fact that he had two tests which were defended tightly. New Zealand exposed his poor tackle radius as has been done many times before. His work rate around the field is inferior to that of Mostert. He lacks skills. This is a lock you'd expect to find 40 years ago. You cannot play a modern game of rugby with him.

I find it hilarious that Rassie is doing his best to contradict all of Mike's rules of the game. Playing 2004 Bulle ball is the cherry on the cake. Even funnier is that I'm going to inevitably be defending Rassie when the rabid fans finally turn on him. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:45
#19
22 Oct 2018, 23:45#19

Poor mobility - the stats indicate otherwise.  And the rest is again from your fertile mind dwelling on cloud prejudice 9.   Not a shred of evidence to prove that your rantings are correct.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2018, 23:45
#20
22 Oct 2018, 23:45#20

Poor mobility - the stats indicate otherwise.  And the rest is again from your fertile mind dwelling on cloud prejudice 9.   Not a shred of evidence to prove that your rantings are correct.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Oct 2018, 00:03
#21
23 Oct 2018, 00:03#21
Mostert should be nowhere near the Bok side at lock. For me the lock order is as follows: Etzebeth PSDT Lood Willemse RG Snyman Jenkins Ruan Botha JD Schickerling Lourens Erasmus Jean Kleyn Lewies Oosthuizen Stassen v Heerden Koeklenberg Herbst Eli Snyman Moerat
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Oct 2018, 00:23
#22
23 Oct 2018, 00:23#22
Matches in which Lomp started since WC 2015.....lost 9/won 3. The wins coming against Argentina, France and Italy. Coincidence? I don't think so....Lomp is a lazy, dumb player, who fouls up just when it counts. But why would anybody think he is a plus when he has a 25% win ratio.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Oct 2018, 01:06
#23
23 Oct 2018, 01:06#23

Against Wales and Argentina in 2015 his physicality was negated. He was a blunt instrument. Against Argentina in 2014, he was again negated. He doesn't give us a competitive advantage. I challenge his supporters to review at least one of those big tests and tell me what he did of note. He played well against Scotland in 2014 and 2015 and had some good moments against Japan. Nothing more. In fact, his work and mobility around the field against Japan wasn't good. One big run was all he had to show. He is grossly overrated. He also la cks skills. We want to play a more dynamic game, people talk of backplay. Playing a modern brand of rugby has a lot more to do with how your forwards are used. Lood would never qualify as a test quality lock were he a New Zealander.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Oct 2018, 13:45
#24
23 Oct 2018, 13:45#24
Bullshit Lood has been brilliant it’s a tough call between him and PSDT as my second best lock, I’ve given it to PSDT as he has been so damn good this year and Lood has been out of action. Our lock depth is phenomenal my top 10 are all test standard. Moz seriously the biggest joke is on you telling us PSDT is not physical enough for lock after this years showings not that it was ever in doubt. Why the joke - you tell us PSDT is not physical enough but back Mostert who provides absolutely no physicality at all. The guy is all energy with limited productivity. I’d respect your rugby takes far more if you for once conceded you were wrong about a player. Your take on both Lood and PSDT is laughable and why I can’t take your rugby contributions seriously. I enjoy pointing out your failings but come on. Take a leaf out of my book I’m a huge Jantjies fan in terms of skill and creativity but he lacks the hard edge, I’ve said the same about JJ. It is possible to be wrong - own it!!!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Oct 2018, 15:46
#25
23 Oct 2018, 15:46#25
Read the Mozcroscope......Mostert literally doubled Stephanie's scores. As for Lomp.....25% Bok win ratio.....would we have lost to Bargie, Italy and France if we hadn't played him? I don't think so. Could we have won some of those 9 games if a productive player like Mostert was there instead of Lomp.......I'm inclined to believe that.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Oct 2018, 16:19
#26
23 Oct 2018, 16:19#26

Mozart

Your morzoscopes have always been fraudulent _ so why should we start believing you now.   Sorry but I could not describe the thing you call morzoscopes anything else.   

So the problem is you cannot see what is contained in the stats I listed above - the player with the highest tackle count in the World cup series is lazy and dumb.   I wonder when you would really wake up and throw your Prejudice Bible away.   I made available the world cup stats and hoped it would prevent you from making silly comments.

The other thing is that you blamed De Jager for the collapse of the Springbok team during the period November 2014 to September 2015.   Fact is it was constantly the  older players who caused the demise.  It was clear that Meyer's luck ran out altogether with a performance collapse of his elderly favourites.   There was at least 8 of the players who were shockingly poor in those tests which he kept in the WC squad and they failed in the Japan test as well.

It would help if you start thinking about rugby performances afresh       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Oct 2018, 17:38
#27
23 Oct 2018, 17:38#27

I'm quite sure Lood will play a significant part in the Bok campaign...if he can stay fit.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2018, 01:44
#28
24 Oct 2018, 01:44#28
I certainly don't share that view....Lomp had a bunch of unconvincing tests, then seemed to find himself in the pool stages of the WC against the likes of Scotland and the USA, only to produce two stinkers against Wales and NZ. And since then...nothing. So I'm not sure why he is this automatic choice.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Oct 2018, 03:32
#29
24 Oct 2018, 03:32#29

Let's put it this way, Lood can't handle the ball. Mostert and Snyman can. So that limits our attacking options ball in hand. It also makes our work amongst the forwards more predictable. Even our props can pass amongst each other. Something we began doing more often in the latter portion of the RC. He doesn't have great endurance, so his poor mobility becomes an even greater problem as the game progresses. He is often flat footed and found wanting with any change of direction. As we saw New Zealand do against Steph, they bait and pass and expose the fringe defenders. England and Australia have done it as well. His defence is good in congested games. If he is well supported either side he only has to worry about what is in front of him. If he can line you up, he can hit hard. As a ball carrier he hasn't had good tests against Australia, any Puma tests (4) or New Zealand. Against Wales he was very patchy. He obviously doesn't lack power, but it takes so long for him to generate momentum that good line speed takes the sting out of his carries. There is no aspect of his game that is an advantage over Snyman or Mostert. He doesn't have the physical capacity to allow the Boks to play a more dynamic game. 

I don't like players who slow the attack down, or who inhibit our ability to exert pressure on defence. The more defenders we have who can be trusted to make a stop 1v1, the better. The more forwards who can play the ball, the better. New Zealand l ocks must be able to run, and they must have skills. It's an absolute necessity for the game they play. If we want this more dynamic game, we have got to select the players who can execute.

This is where I disagree with many of our fans, they pressure the coach to play a certain way, but pressure him to do it with the worst tools for the job. It's entirely illogical. If you want Rassie to succeed, don't demand he boxes with both arms tied behind his back. Too often our coaches feel the pressure and select fan favourites to buy time. It always backfires. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2018, 07:18
#30
24 Oct 2018, 07:18#30
It really is weird - the inventions when Mozart and AO when describing the stuation as to players they do not like.   They do describe players in a way 100% opposite to what players actually are.   
The real problem with their statements is that they have NO proof of what they write.   They carry on with general statements totally without base and has the problem that when they make the statements they are in fact vicious and very near too what most people would regard as being playing tack with the truth.
Fans do not pressure coaches - if coaches has any real ability they would not be pressured by anybody other than their own expertise in rugby evaluation.   There is plenty of evidence that weaker coaches like Meyer and Coetzee had player evaluation problems and their selections actually confirm it.   There is thus far no evidence that Erasmus actually is influenced by fans or for that matter anybody else in team selection.
Nobody else bar AO come up with the fan pressure story.   When he dislikes selections they are the result of fan pressure and not the abilities of the players concerned.
So my challenge to Mozart and AO is - proof why your wild statements about De Jager is factual and not based on make-believe stories you two have in fact manufactured.   There is ample proof that what they wrote in the past about players are in fact untrue  so the proof here called for would be another comedy exhibition to enjoy.                     
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Oct 2018, 07:45
#31
24 Oct 2018, 07:45#31

Moz, I'm not a Lood fan, but he is a specialist 5. Mosterdt is punching above his weight,  but he is still a tad too light. It seems that PSDT falls a bit short as a 5 too.

I don't know about Willemse and Snyman, but normally it doesn't work well if you change locks around...almost like centers.  Some 12's suck at 13 and vice versa. 1 and 3 is probably more illustrative.

I can remember when the substituted Bakkies with Bekker in some Bok matches. Bekker never had a good match at 4....There might have been other reasons for that though, but I'm just dead set against it.

So, a long story short, we seems to be thin on 5's and unless Matfield makes another comeback,  Lood will probably be picked.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2018, 07:52
#32
24 Oct 2018, 07:52#32

Draad

Careful - Mozart will be definitely in favour of another Matfield come back.    


BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
24 Oct 2018, 08:50
#33
24 Oct 2018, 08:50#33
Just on Matfield, I see they are seriously considering him as Bulls coach to replace Mitchell. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2018, 09:01
#34
24 Oct 2018, 09:01#34

I am sure he is a candidate - but his limited exposure to coaching (attack coach of the Bulls) is hardly a success story,   That is why Erasmus will be used as his mentor when he start his coaching career.   Maybe that is where the situation if going to be.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2018, 15:50
#35
24 Oct 2018, 15:50#35
What evidence do we have Mostert is too light Draad? Evidence he is dominated in the tackle.....trouble on our loosehead side in the scrums? The man is a terrfic rugby player....I know this is repetitive, but my factual scoring of the first NZ test had him twice as productive as Stephanie. And no, it wasn't biased....I scored each intervention according to a set numbering system and then went through the game second by second to identify the interventions. The scoring was totally accurate. It's not a new thing....a player like Stephanie stands out because of his fair hair. Mostert is anonymous if you don't look closely. Remember how Schalk disappeared when he shaved his hair.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Oct 2018, 15:54
#36
24 Oct 2018, 15:54#36

OK, fair enough. Like I said I'll try and keep an open mind when he plays again.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2018, 16:14
#37
24 Oct 2018, 16:14#37

Mozart

I know you love to write things on players to get at the idea that they outplayed players you hate.   

I also note one thing in particular and I do not think you looked at it at all.   When Mostert j umped in line-outs and there is competition he lands after the jump at least a half to three quarters meter back from where the jump started.   The problem is he is physically not strong enough to compete in the air with the stronger players he jumped against.   He still retains the ball - but the problem results in his inability to start effective rolling mauls. 

Mostert is not a physical enough lock and is not a real contributor to Tight 5 play.   He is much like Matfield and never really contribute to Tight 5 play and in fact - again like Matfield - is reducing the Tight 5 to a Tight 4.

So now the hair colour determines who plays well ad who does not - must say that is a real joke as well.   In any evce3nt you have been criticizing Du Toit since 2013  and every year it gets worse.   That is no proof that you ever has been fare in your assessment and in fact three-quarters you write about Du Toit has always been BS.       

     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2018, 16:55
#38
24 Oct 2018, 16:55#38
That is perhaps the biggest crock you have ever written....if Mostert was physically challenged in the air, he would be awarded a penalty. And besides that piece of imbecility, no lock in SA rugby delivers better balls to the scrumhalf than Mostert.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2018, 18:11
#39
24 Oct 2018, 18:11#39

Mozart

How many times must I plead with you to not write crap on this site?   You come up with thin shoulders, thin wrists and long necks and now blond hair to deal with players and then make that out as a norm.

It never enters your mind to really study games and see why certain things happen.   Prior to the Meyer era driving mauls from line-outs was a key part of SA forward play.   Under Meyer a collapse of the mauls system started and at this stage it is nearly unusable.   The problem was that mauls are normally effective when the ball is caught by the 5 lock or further back, since mauls nearer the sideline normally end up outside the field of play.

The  maul system started becoming pear shaped when Matfield came back from retirement - he was physically too weak to co-ordinate and direct mauls and was always pushed out to the side of mauls where he landed on the ground.   Since then the situation deteriorated and rolling mauls are not an effective  weapon of the Springbok team anymore.

There was  a very few effective driving mauls in the tests this year and I tried to figure out why it was so poor.   Apparently the Springboks do not even kick penalties to the corner to set up mauls anymore as was evidenced in the Pretoria test - they kicked at goal.  

When studying the few successful mauls there was one factor to all of them - Du Toit was jumping for the ball and started co-ordinating and directing the mauls.   Other mauls did not make any progress and the try-scoring by Marx decreased.

I then looked at the balls thrown at Mostert and saw clearly what the problem was.   He landed after jumping in a position where setting up of mauls is impossible,   To claim that -

*   opposition players competing and touching him would automatically be penalized is total delusion - the rule is clear that players may not be tackled or brought down down with both feet in the air - touching a player is NOT a penalizable offense; and

*    nobody ever said he did not deliver the ball cleanly to the scrummie.

The choice is clear - if we want to ensure effective driving mauls we can continue with Mostert at lock - if we want to use that as an effective weapon he will have to go.

Please do not write crock on site in future.  


           

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2018, 22:56
#40
24 Oct 2018, 22:56#40
A book to divert from the fact that you don't know the rules....I can't be bothered with another fabrication.
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