MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2017, 05:31#1
Well two years ago this guy was more popular than sliced bread. I could never see the attraction, but the barking dogs were howling in unison when he ran over some tiny USA and Scottish defenders at the WC. They never even got worked up when Kaino ran over him for a momentum changing try in the Semi.
It's seems very possible that Lomp will start next to Etzebeth on Saturday....with Stephanie coming off the bench. I'm wondering how that will go down.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
06 Jun 2017, 07:28#2
No way Lomp deserves to be in the squad, let alone start.
06 Jun 2017, 08:02#3
I have never been convinced that Lood was anything more than a Super Rugby player. When he won player of the year I thought maybe I had missed something and had it completely wrong. Two years on and it turns out I was not wrong, he is nothing but a lazy, slow, run of the mill player that still manages to look like an old tannie, even with a beard.
06 Jun 2017, 08:47#4
Come now, BlueBok ... you and the rest of the posters raved about this slack jawed misfit.
As far as I can remember it was only Mozart and myself that saw him for the useless entity that he is.
He's biggest fans were Comrade and Dave.
I ho pe he starts for the Goats. Rather bring the talented Du Toit on in the last 5 minutes where he can do no harm to the French.
06 Jun 2017, 09:49#5
I never raved about him CC. As I said, there was a time where I started to doubt myself, and gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I still didn't rave about him. But I must say, you and Mozter did have it right from the get go.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2017, 10:06#6
Mozart getting it right when it comes to players? Impossible since he des not consider performance as a key for player evaluation. That being he case - he supported Morne Steyn, Fat Fransie, Alberts and Matfield and his ideas about player selection is warped beyond imagination.
De Jager was not performing well enough in 2016 and was whether he likes it or not performing better than the dweeps he supported as locks for the Bulls. However, he is a better selection than the players he supported in the past. So best advice - when it comes to player performance it is safe to stay away from Mozart co ntributions.
06 Jun 2017, 10:09#7
Mike, what does all that have to do with the conversation? I clearly remember Moz being against the hype surrounding Lood from the start. What he said about Steyn etc has nothing to do with this thread.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Jun 2017, 11:03#8
I for one was ahainst the hype around Etzabeth when he emerged, but due to the fact that there was no one else at that stage, he played and now he is the bok starter. I'm not nearly sold on either Lood or PSDT, but not comvinced they're no good either. PSDT is a great bench option, but syarter? Not with the lightweights we tend to pick in the backrow of late. We need to give them a solid run. I would like to see the boks play a backup for Eben on the bench, but instead of the bench being a tool to build the squad, it's being used to make the quota numbers look better. We tend to rely too much on settled players and play them into the ground as a result. IMO the quota has become an excuse for poor selections...as a few posters remarked, quite a few white players were bad last year. I really hope AC gets things right this year...by hook or by crook, cause it won't be another way.
06 Jun 2017, 11:04#9
Mozart got a few calls wrong ... in my opinion ... but Lomp isn't one of them.
He also pegged Jesse Kriel ... a favourite of yours, Comrade ... as well as De Allende and Kolisi ... both Bok musts in your opinion.
Apart from all the repetitive nonsense we've been listening to about, Alberts, Morne and Victor these last 5 years ... who have you pegged as useless ... in fact, who have you pegged as worthy of the Green and Gold??
Anyone??
06 Jun 2017, 13:09#10
Ok ... so I take it your silence is an acknowledgement of your ignorance.
Thought as much.
BObobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Jun 2017, 13:46#12
He's not in good shape like FitFrans but Lomp appears fatter than he really is ............. only, cos, without being unkind, he has lompy jowls.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jun 2017, 14:22#13
Quality player playing in a side reduced to rubble by a coach who thought rotation was the way forward and by the time he woke up to this fact the damage had been done...............classic case of a side playing with zero confidence much like the Boks under Coetzee
06 Jun 2017, 14:30#14
Welcome back Saff. Was asking around for you the other day. Thought you'd left.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jun 2017, 14:37#15
No, I'm about just lacking rugby enthusiasm - I watch but despair and man oh man cant stomach the retention of Coetzee as coach - it goes against every model out there but the good old SA one!!!!!
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2017, 14:40#16
Dave what do you think of the Lions' prospects.
06 Jun 2017, 14:52#17
Lomp is a weed. He has no upper body strength and because of it is easily defeated out wide.
His best bet is to pick on the smaller players ... use his weight advantage against them ... and when he does all the ignorant fools like Comrade rave about his "skill s" ...
LOL!!
06 Jun 2017, 15:21#20
For me Lood has always been a pretender on the big stage. I offered him the benefit of the doubt 3 or 4 years ago when Barrett made him look like a toy doll. Simply tackled to touch when the game was there for us to win.
Never lived up to the hype when the pressure is on.
sharkbok
Captain23,259 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
06 Jun 2017, 15:25#21
Another flat track pony like Spies. Good against the minnows, but a minnow against the good teams
06 Jun 2017, 16:08#23
Well Dave ... never thought I'd say this but I missed ya.
Hope you post more often.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jun 2017, 16:13#24
Ha ha CC.......I'll push the boat out just for you!!
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
06 Jun 2017, 16:48#25
Indeed CC. Everybody gets calls wrong. It's what humans do.
Mike is starting to lose it though. Despite what Mike says, Moz has not stuck to his guns simply for the sake of stubbornness. He HAS changed his opinion when the facts have changed. To me that's being rational.
Mike I think everybody here likes you, including me. Let's try to have banter AND common sense. Since it is possible for both to exist simultaneously.
PS Lomp looks like the big cry baby who had his mom feed him Nesquick through the school fence.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2017, 22:10#26
If you're right Dave that's going to be a huge knock for NH rugby. Ireland had a genuine victory over the ABs in Chicago, and the assumption was the Lions could build on that. They were remarkably off the pace last weekend though.
AGAgPleezDeddy
Club Pro900 posts
AGAgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
06 Jun 2017, 22:16#27
As much as the British media will destroy the Lions if they come home 3-0, the fact remains you could probably put together a world XV of the best non-NZ players and they'd still lose to this AB team.
The gap is huge right now.
That Ireland victory whilst mighty impressive seemed like a genuine one-off off day for the ABs.
DEDenny
Captain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2017, 01:24#28
Mike is treading a well worn path again and we all know where that finishes up.....can't help yourself can you Mike?
Moz, tx for ignoring him.
As for my thoughts on Frans?........I don't believe he's good for the future of Bok rugby, it's time to move on with our best home grown.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2017, 02:20#29
I agree we need to move on....but Stepfontein and Kriel are our only squad centre options with Mapoe and Allende injured. And these two Bools are duds at Super level.
07 Jun 2017, 08:17#30
We have already seen them both (Serfontein and Kriel) fail at test level ... and yet there they are again.
Puzzling.
They say the height of stupidity is to do the same thing over and over again and to actually expect a different result.
I guess Coetzee sees it differently.
07 Jun 2017, 08:28#31
Serfontein is a lost cause in my opinion, but for me Kriel still has the ability to finish well and enough x-factor to create something out of nothing. Please guys, try to remember who has been coaching Kriel these past few years. Marais and Coetzee! Seriously, which back line player is going to flourish under their guidance? I know kriel has some weaknesses like his defense, but those things can be remedied. Give him a season under Mitchell, if he still doesn't deliver, then fine, send him out to pasture.
07 Jun 2017, 08:32#32
I look forward to Mitch's entrance. The poor Bulls players don't know what they're in for.
This could very well be the turning point for the Bulls.
Hope so any way.
