Lomp gets 4 weeks

Reduced from the original 6 weeks, but misses the rest of the Tour.

"Gardner was insistent initially that he did not think it warranted a red card, when the TMO intervened and asked him to have a look at the contact. Gardner felt there was mitigation as France’s fullback Thomas Ramos’s knees were on the ground from him taking an earlier tackle. This rendered him half his height if he ordinarily was going into a tackle.

De Jager, who is two metres tall, had to adjust and lower his tackle attempt, which he did. In real time, his right arm is wrapping and his left arm is going in for the wrap and hit, which ordinarily, if Ramos had stayed upright, would have been near his ribs.

As it was Ramos stopped De Jager’s left arm from the wrap by blocking the arm with his left arm.In real time, speed of the game, there was no direct contact to the head but a secondary motion from a secondary tackle. In real time it is a rugby collision, but when slowed down to freeze frame motion it looks like attempted murder, depending where and when one wants to freeze the point of contact.

Ramos milked attention to the collision and then showed no signs of pain in his verbals straight afterwards.The three match officials and TMO then convinced themselves that on the freeze frames De Jager had committed a crime and had to be banished from the field of play, not to be replaced after 20 minutes by another player.

The way the new bunker referral works is that a player is yellow carded but the referee asks for it to be reviewed as a possible red card offence. This is what should have happened. In this instance, even if upgraded to a red card, then the player can still be replaced. If sent straight from the field by way of a red card, the team plays one man down for the remainder of the game.

The incident was deemed so brutal that De Jager was shown red, but Ramos, supposedly buried into the Stade de France turf, rose like Lazarus and resumed as if nothing had happened.

Ramos was not even sent for an HIA, the necessary head assessment for concussion, and completed the match.

Ironically, there was an early intervention to remove De Jager from the field of play because his gum guard had supposedly shown he had taken a blow to his head.

De Jager, captain Siya Kolisi and the rest of the forwards who were waiting to complete a line out, looked as perplexed as De Jager on the call.

It was a strange call, made even more bizarre when there was no consideration or thought even given to Ramos needing to have his HIA test.

The contradictions in the application of what constitutes a blow to the head continues to make a mockery as it asks the question of when is it based on player safety or when have the match officials just got it wrong?"

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Fair copped it.

Not the first time He's led with his shoulder so it was always gonna land him in trouble.

What I don't like is the framing that he was intentionally being a grub trying to take Ramos' head off. Nothing malicious in it...reckless? Yes but if Ramos doesn't drop in front of him then no harm done.

Yep reckless certainly not intentional, he is not that type of player.

His suspension brings my favourite player back into the picture - Mostert :(

He deserved the Red and the sanction

BS

De Jager had only one red card in 2016 - in the period since 2013 and the story - it. is not the frst time he shoulder-charged a player is an outright lie. If he did not have a near to clean reccord the ban would not have reduced to thee weeks on condition that he attend some couse of World Rugby.

In any event there is one problem that is going to raise its head in the Wessels court case. Such Committees should not have 2 out of 3 when the unions have imminent tests against the Springboks after the hearing. In the case of Wessels two committee member came from Wales and in the case of De Jager the two members came from Ireland.

In both cases there were members available from England and Scotland that could be used. In any event Mozarts comments that De Jager's aim was to hurt Ramos was BS and so was your xomments on im shoulder charging was bad. Why do you always combine in BS spreading of lies? . .

Maybe now we will see Eben and RG starting?? With Mostert and Nortje of the Bench.

I agree with Xavi and DA on this. I don’t think he is a dirty player, I also think Ramos was falling which made the tackle high.

But Lomp’s body language was that of a player with an opportunity to put a big hit on a vulnerable back. He came in at pace and was committed several strides before the hit….because he wanted to do damage.

If that’s your intent, in modern rugby, you have to be precise….if a tackle like that ends up with shoulder to head contact….your’e in trouble.

Even the Lomp supporters suggest a 20 minute red was the right answer, not a yellow or just a penalty. Which says prior to the law change almost everybody would have been in the red camp.

The new red creates another confusion. The best way would have been to just keep red and yellow, but make all reds, 20 minutes…but only with the substitution of another player. The player is gone for the game. Additional higher level sanctions could be decided after the game.

Keep it simple, every complication diminishes the game.

There's been a lot of talk about the Ramos arm and whatnot, but when you look at Lood's body position, leading with the shoulder, the position of that arm before it even hit Ramos' arm - he was absolutely lining up a shoulder hit. The way he is positioning his body makes that unmistakable. That arm was never coming up, Ramos arm or no Ramos arm.

Pakie and Mozart

No apology for shit spreading dimnesses

The only way the arm could have been less involved is if his hands were tied behind his back.

But Lomp’s body language was that of a player with an opportunity to put a big hit on a vulnerable back

Spot on

I don't think at all that it was malicious..... I don't and haven't seen Lood playing that way before

He wanted to impose himself in a very big way, and inflict as much dominance as possible in that tackle situation, and he just got it horribly wrong.

He didn't even attempt to wrap ..... and as Pakie's image shows above, the intent with leading with the shoulder is too bloody obvious

Fully deserved, and lucky to get just 4 weeks.... you could snap a neck doing that

Go back to 2019 RWC final and see how he dislocated his shoulder against Billy Vunipolo. Same technique.

He might have mobility issues with that shoulder which is not uncommon. I've played with some blokes who couldn't close their hands or swing their arms due to an injury in the past.

If his Body language was that of a player with a opportunity to put a big hit on a Vulnerable Back, then it was Malicious?

If your'e not trying to put a big hit on a vulnerable oppo, you're not doing your job ; )

I do have sympathy with the players in these situations. These things happen so fast, fraction of a second and then it gets slowed down to make it look like you had 5 seconds to change your mind or your position. But that's exactly why you need to make sure that you're getting your technique as legal as possible so that when something goes wrong, you can get the benefit of any mitigation. Lood here didn't do it. That tucked arm sunk him.

If his Body language was that of player with a opportunity to put a big hit on a Vulnerable Back, then it was Malicious?

Nah, malice comes in the execution.

Not malicious, big hits are part of the game….but if you get it wrong there are going to consequences. In this instance Ramos was going down in Reinach’s tackle, probably two strides at least before Lomp hit him.

It was a disgraceful decision and the ban was almost as absurd as the Wessels ban.

Rassie called out Berry for his useless efforts in the Lions test.

23 out of 26 calls made by Rassie were proven to be correct. Nothing was done about the foul up by Berry. Rassie despite being so right got banned.

To this day terrible decisions are still spoiling Rugby.

However the crazy red only made the Bok win greater.