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Loodt looks likely to take over from wee victor

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Aug 2014, 23:27
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05 Aug 2014, 23:27#1

Ex Supersport

The loss of Victor Matfield for next weekend’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship opener against Argentina might be seen as a massive blow for the Springboks (Eeks how are we going to win any lineout balls or take the kick offs!!!BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA), but it is also another opportunity for coach Heyneke Meyer to increase the depth in the squad.

Meyer must be wondering just when he will have his best team available after injuries and overseas club commitments have robbed him of at least a third of his team he would have liked to pick. Now with Matfield injuring himself at Monday’s practice, the focus will be on young Lood de Jager, who is set to take over Matfield’s spot.

Meyer admitted on Monday he was “really concerned” about the lack of a back-up lock to Matfield at the moment, and with Pieter-Steph du Toit and Flip van der Merwe both nursing long term injuries, the Boks have little cover in this department.(Is Willemse unavailable?)

It isn’t only in the line-outs (VASTLY OVER RATED)– a stat that Matfield dominates in the Southern Hemisphere – where the team has been hit. In terms of leadership and the mentor role that Matfield was playing with younger up and coming locks, Meyer was hoping this would be a continuous process that would take the team through to the World Cup.

Matfield sat on the sidelines for most of Monday’s training session with an ice-pack on his knee, looking forlorn, and while initial diagnosis was that it wasn’t expected to be serious, the Bok lock still felt discomfort overnight and was sent for a scan.

Matfield was diagnosed with “a small tear in a cartilage after being sent for scans today (Tuesday) morning after feeling some discomfort in his knee at training on Monday,” a team statement said.

“Victor’s injury will initially be treated conservatively and a decision on his further participation in the competition will be made during the course of next week,” said Springbok team doctor Craig Roberts.

On Monday, however, Meyer did say that while Matfield was still first choice to take Matfield’s place, it was young Lood de Jager, who has played a few games at five for the Toyota Cheetahs this year, but is more recognised as a four lock, that is set to deputise for him.

And now with Matfield injured, De Jager may well be thrust into the spotlight to face the Argentinians at Loftus Versfeld with Eben Etzebeth or Bakkies Botha as his partner.

“The one big thing is – there is always criticism about Victor – but if it wasn’t for him, we would really be in big trouble,” Meyer said on Monday.(WAKE UP MEYER!!)

“I was very happy with Stephan Lewies in that one game, but with all due respect Scotland aren’t the best in the world. We are a bit hamstrung with Flip out for the season and Lood is the guy we believe can play there. I still believe four will be his best position but we can move him there. Eben (Etzebeth) is another guy we want to start playing there.”

“It is a huge concern, we don’t have five locks in this country and we really want to work hard with Eben and Lood, and Lood will probably move to five if we need him. Victor is working hard with him at the moment. It will take time, and that is an area I’m really concerned about.”

Lewies may well be called up as a short-term replacement for the Boks this week, with Franco van der Merwe (Ulster) and Juandre Kruger (Racing Metro) the other candidates that the Boks could look at.

The last member of the Bok squad – hooker Schalk Brits – finally arrived at the team hotel on Tuesday after he had to endure a long journey from Saracens’ pre-season camp in the United States.

The Boks are set to name Matfield’s replacement on Wednesday.

AGAIN IS WILLEMSE UNAVAILABLE?I PREFER RUAN BOTHA TO LEWIES. 
NOT MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT IF EBEN, BAKKIES, LOODT AND PAUL ARE THERE.Unlike rooitwit I never wished this on victor
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 00:37
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06 Aug 2014, 00:37#2
 I think Eben has got the goods to become a great no 5 lock. He should get more opportunities at 5 for WP.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2014, 00:41
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06 Aug 2014, 00:41#3
 Draad he can play 4 or 5. Lets just hope the days of weedy fives are over. Loodt and eben will finish off the false notion re weedy 5s. Meyer will learn there is a better way
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 00:45
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06 Aug 2014, 00:45#4
 Beeno, Matfield will remain with the Boks until after the RWC if fit. FACT. (not saying I agree, but it's what's going to be) Any bets?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 01:17
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06 Aug 2014, 01:17#5
 Dbdraad
I do not think that Matfield will last in the Springbok squad for the WC - despite Meyer;s obvious bias in his favour.   The problem is going to become crystal clear in the RC this year.   We will continue to struggle in the Tight 5 phases with an effective Tight 4 in evidence - the other one being effective in line outs and nothing else.
Matfield shall cause problems for the Springboks in the RC and that will become clearer during the series.    He has not been any good in the last match he played in for the Bulls and that is going to continue.        
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 20:08
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06 Aug 2014, 20:08#6
 Mike, we are thin on proper 5 locks. I was h oping Eben would make the transition, but he was injured the whole year.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 20:18
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06 Aug 2014, 20:18#7

With Eben's injury repeating itself it could be one of those chronic things. And there are no other classical number 5 locks around. Steph looks even more injury prone. Lots of 4s ....very few 5s. 

 

Oh I forgot there is Lewies, Mike's favourite, who was tossed around like a rag doll by the Saders.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2014, 20:32
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06 Aug 2014, 20:32#8
Lood is twice the look Matfield is....what a God send that Matfield is injured, lets hope he never returns  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 22:42
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06 Aug 2014, 22:42#9
 Mozart
Was Etzebeth injured again this week - since you mentioned injury return?   
By the way Matfield is tossed around in any game he played in = being shoved off with ease or tossed out of a maul - it happens constantly - so why talk about Lewies and not Matfield?   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 22:50
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06 Aug 2014, 22:50#10
 Eben has been out of play quite a bit during his short career. Let's hope that's in the past now.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 22:57
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06 Aug 2014, 22:57#11
 DbDeaad 
As far as I am aware Etzebeth had an injury problem in 2013 - it was an ankle problem and he received treatment.   His injury in November is not related to his previous injury and was not ankle-related,  but foot-related.   
I would say that he has been unfortunate with injuries - not necessarily injury-prone.  One can only hope that he does not get injured again - he is an extremelyty valuable player and we cannot afford to lose him.  
Will have to see what happens from now onwards.      
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 23:03
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06 Aug 2014, 23:03#12
 Agreed Mike, but fact remains, he lost some valuable game time. Let's hope that's in the past. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Aug 2014, 23:09
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06 Aug 2014, 23:09#13
Eben Etzebeth looks to me like someone who's taken too many steroids at too young an age and I reckon he's destined to follow in the footsteps of Pierre Spies . . . his play will never match his physique and he'll be injured more often than not.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2014, 23:09
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06 Aug 2014, 23:09#14
As far as I know, the ankle is part of the foot. Let's have a look......




Yep, the ankle is definitely part of the foot. So, an ankle injury has to be foot related.





















OK, Maaikie. No need to have another angina attack . I was only taking the piss.................. again. Eben's first injury was indeed his ankle. The second one was a broken toe, IIRC.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 23:20
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06 Aug 2014, 23:20#15
 Rooi,  I know that it does not go down well that one of the best new Bok prospects in a long while is a WP boytjie, but Eben is a huge asset for SA rugby and hopefully he can stay injury free and play a 100 tests at least.PS, if you know anything about the Etzebeths, you would know that they are a hard bunch by nature and surely does not need any roids. No need to slander him. I suppose you will be man enough to say it to his face as well. You can even try saying it to his 60+ uncle and come tell us how that worked out for you.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Aug 2014, 00:35
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07 Aug 2014, 00:35#16
 "PS, if you know anything about the Etzebeths, you would know that they are a hard bunch by nature and surely does not need any roids. No need to slander him. I suppose you will be man enough to say it to his face as well. You can even try saying it to his 60+ uncle and come tell us how that worked out for you."

That is no Bullshit. His uncle was until very recently a regular campaigner at the World Veterans Wrestling championships.

He won gold in 2012:

This is him with Jurie Reichel from Rustenburg on his left. I cannot recall the name of guy on his right at this moment.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2014, 00:37
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07 Aug 2014, 00:37#17
 DbDraad
Thanks for the info.  There is stiill  a substantial difference in the injuries sustained by Etxebeth.  The first injury was an Achilles Tendon injury - the second one was a broken bone in his foot - followed by a third one which was a broken toe.  The broken bone injury was healed - when in June he somehow managed to break a toe.  
In January I spoke to Frans Malherbe's father about Frans - he and Etzebeth are best friends and at that stage Frans tokd his father that Etzebeth would be able to be back playing rugby in February.   However, it transpired thereafter that the bone was not growing on properly and he had to undergo an operation in February to set it right.   Then the return date was set for middle May or early June.   Before he could return in early June - he broke his toe and was then off for 8 weeks  which meant that since WP was not playing any rugby from the third week in July to date he had no match practice even though he was ready to play in July already.  
He started doing running training already in middle July and is probably as fit as he could possibly be - since he never stopped upper body training in any event.            
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Aug 2014, 00:40
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07 Aug 2014, 00:40#18
 http://www.greenandgoldrugby.co.za/the-terminator-from-parow/

But he’s more. He is a product of genetic engineering. Not in some fancy pants high-performance centre where doe-eyed biokinetic graduates merrily trot around with clipboards and pearly-white smiles.

No, his were the hard streets of Parow. Ask anyone older Capetonian about the Etzebeths from Parow and you’ll hear many stories, some funny, most rather scary. In short, they were the hard men of Parow. Their names struck fear into everyone’s heart.



Clifford Etzebeth (right) on his way to winning a gold medal – at the age of 62…


His uncles, “Skattie” and Cliffie Etzebeth were known bar fighters. Cliffie himself – who last year became the world amateur wrestling champion in his age group at a mere 62 years old – told of how he and Skattie would go looking for fights in the Parow Hotel over weekends.

“It was easy [to start a fight], you know. You just take someone’s drink and wait for him to react. At the end of the month we’d go to the Parow Hotel when the Spoorweg (Railway) okes got paid. It was never hard to start a fight…”

There’s another story of how Skattie decked a young farmer one evening at a dance outside Stellenbosch. Skattie just carried on drinking casually. A few minutes later the confused guy got up and started walking unsteadily. Skattie looked up, put his drink down and said: “O, ek sien jy’s al weer op!” (Oh, I can see you’re up already!) and decked him straight away.

There’s another story how Cliffie (when he played for WP) was asked by Doc Craven to “look after Morné” – this after Morné du Plessis had tackled Naas Botha unconscious at Loftus. There were serious concerns about Morné’s safety, so Cliffie and one or two other guys sat down in the hotel corridor in front of Morné’s room, armed with a case or two beer.

Another beauty is the story of Skattie and Cliffie playing a game for Parow against UCT. The educated UCT boys were using line-out calls like “Pythagoras!”, “Aristoteles” and the like. So after a few line outs, Cliffie asked Skattie if he’d worked out their calls yet.

To which Skattie replied: “Nee, maar hulle gooi altyd op daai p**s met die rooi baard!” (No, but they’re always throwing at that p**s with the red beard!”

Ah, they don’t make them like they used to, eh? Well, not so actually. Just look at young Eben.

After the game a mate sms’ed me the follow bit from a Terminator movie, referring to Eben Etzebeth: “Listen and understand. That Terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead…”



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