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Louw's view on Alberts

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES246 VIEWS· 17 Aug 2014, 15:34
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2014, 15:34
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17 Aug 2014, 15:34#1

The Springbok pack also suffered a late setback when stalwart flanker Willem Alberts was withdrawn from the matchday 23 at the last hour.

Louw felt that the late omission of the blind-side flanker had disrupted to the team's ambitions on the day, but would not be told that the fact that the Bok forwards failed to dominate their opponents could be attributed to the absence of one man.

"Willem is a fantastic player. He is the enforcer of South African rugby and the performances he has put in over the past few years speak for itself," said Louw.

"It was a setback in a sense, but one thing Heyneke gas created is depth within the squad. For guys to step in at the last moment on the 11th hour and I really think Marcel Coetzee put his hand up.

"He is not a youngster - he is a veteran to a certain extent and has played enough Test rugby to know what is going on."

 

 

Thank you Francois. The plain fact is Alberts would have made a huge difference yesterday. What he does in giving the Boks a power edge is totally missed by many a fool. As is Louw's contribution, which was so starkly obvious yesterday, even some morons finally got it. How about you Dave?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Aug 2014, 15:50
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17 Aug 2014, 15:50#2
 Alberts has been a passenger for most of the year, a one dimensional player who has been found out. There is more to rugby than pure grunt, the guy lacks skill and finesse. How often do we witness him rushing out to make a tackle only to miss the execution completely. He does not think. ....He is just another jacques potgieter as he was under the Bulls and boks.
There are a number of better options in SA and abroad who are better than Alberts. Same can be said of Louw.
Only vermeulen is worthy of Meyers current incumbent loose trio. Neither alberts nor louw would smell my bok 23
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2014, 16:39
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17 Aug 2014, 16:39#3
 Mozart
Just three questionss.
What would  Alberts have done yesterday - that the other loosies did not do? 
He definitely would not have taken part in any ball protection and recovery processes.   His ball carries this year has been poor - so what would have made him better than th other were yesterdy?
If he is the enforcer that Louw spoke about - what has he enforced over the past year and especially in Super 15?  
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BendtNewbie8 posts
17 Aug 2014, 20:45
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17 Aug 2014, 20:45#4
Agree and disagree.. Alberts and love the player just of late lost not the sparkle but the want to play. The want to make an impact and sometimes being left out gives players that kick up the backside.. My only disagreement is Heineke didn't exactly put another player on that thoroughly deserved it.. I think we need to accept that we have a load of class a loosies. We need to think who's gonna be two impact players and split the game between them, and start implementing this. I say Alberts and Jacque potgieter. Halve and halve and expect 130% from them. True impact all out. Louw and vermeulen give it all with that sparkle of want and need. I see that it potgieter and maybe with Alberts in at 4 most of the season it maybe shelled him a bit, but this to me then comes down to management and coaches to sit down and say c'mon. This is what we want from you, let's see it. If he doesn't perform what's asked then react.. Heineke just seems unidirectional and in my opinion. Not the man 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2014, 21:57
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17 Aug 2014, 21:57#5
Alberts has been playing a lot of lock and a lot of rugby. It matters more if you are taking the hits ....ie you are very physical. Alberts is huge in wet conditions.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2014, 22:55
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17 Aug 2014, 22:55#6
 Mozart
Alberts played all his rugby last year at 7 and he was not of any real calue then  same as he was not of any value this year where he played vcirtually all the games at 7 - the exception was 4 games he played at lock. 
Just one question - have you ever seen Albert protecting a tackle ball or recovering one?  Is that not what is expected from any loosie?   
I asked three specific questions earlier - and got no response other than  "Alberts is huge in wet conditions."   That is a generalized statement and lacks proof - so provide the proof by answering the  questions.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Aug 2014, 23:11
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17 Aug 2014, 23:11#7
 The best of Alberts has passed us by. It's time to move on we have better youngsters out there
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
17 Aug 2014, 23:30
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17 Aug 2014, 23:30#8

 Alberts started and made name for himself at the Lions as their regular 8. He then moved to the Sharks where he again played 8 and lifted Kankowski in the process. But then somebody, somewhere decided that Spies will remain the Boks' 8 and in order to find place for Alberts he was moved to 7 where he initially made a massive impact scoring a try in every test (3 successive tests if I remember correctly). That is unfortunately where the wheels came off when Alberts was turned into a battering ram and nothing more. All the other duties of a loosie was abandoned and the Boks were soon struggling in their battle for the ball on the ground. The situation improved somewhat when Vermeulen returned from a lengthy injury, but in my opinion our loose trio is not optimal.

I honestly hope Juan can return as our 7.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Aug 2014, 23:41
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17 Aug 2014, 23:41#9
 Why on earth would you want an old man returning to 7 in Smith,  what a short sighted view. Alberts never had the skills for a good 8, his strength is his physicality - but great test players need more than that 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Aug 2014, 23:42
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17 Aug 2014, 23:42#10
 Why on earth would you want an old man returning to 7 in Smith,  what a short sighted view. Alberts never had the skills for a good 8, his strength is his physicality - but great test players need more than that 
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
18 Aug 2014, 00:42
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18 Aug 2014, 00:42#11

 Dave:

"Why on earth would you want an old man returning to 7 in Smith,  what a short sighted view. Alberts never had the skills for a good 8, his strength is his physicality - but great test players need more than that"  


I still believe in the saying: If you are good enough, you are old enough ... and Juan proved last year in Europe that he is still on top of his game.

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BendtNewbie8 posts
18 Aug 2014, 02:01
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18 Aug 2014, 02:01#12
 Alberts is a hugely powerful and influential player. He is what you call an unsong player that does a lot on the field that doesn't always get the recognition. Big tackles, moving players back. Grinding down players physically. It always takes a few players to take him down. All threw out last year, look at his international games. He was huge in wales, the France game he was amazing too. Think back to his games vs england when he broken them and the simple truth is with a rocket up his hoohaa he is a handful. Yes, a bit one dimensional with running lines of late but I will keep saying this, that's not down to him, it's team organisation and planning. It's the one thing england is building up and getting to a point where the galvanised gameplay and running lines with impact players and everyone knowing the role makes me seriously doubt if we can take england on at the moment. Not because their teams better, but bcz our coaches are worse. Alberts never misses a tackle but I recon he's burnt out a bit. Non stop rugby for 3 years maybe why because he has lately got the tendency to jog a lot, just stand over rucks and not have the same influence as what we got use to seeing until end of last year
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BendtNewbie8 posts
18 Aug 2014, 02:09
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18 Aug 2014, 02:09#13
And Juan is still on top of his game. He had an amazing year too.. We need to look at these players who have amazing influential years and give them the nod, Juan and Jacque top of that list. There's others too. Brits but I'd have Bismarck over him any day.. Hargreaves.. Had a good year. I think there are way bigger problems with the team than our loosies though.. Fact! Our loosies up to 3rd choice are contenders with the best in the world.. Our issue is props, scrum halve, fly halve, and a back line that gets solid and fast... Pick em and start galvanising.. Too much mercy water with just 12 months till wc
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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
18 Aug 2014, 07:06
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18 Aug 2014, 07:06#14

 "The plain fact is Alberts would have made a huge difference yesterday."

Face the real facts Mozart, Louw's view on Alberts is just as distorted as yours. I would not expect Louw to make a negative view on Alberts seeing as they are teammates. If you believe Alberts would've make a "huge" difference why can't you pin point exactly what he would've done during the match - that the other loose forwards would not have done? Like mike stated. Be more specific. One of the things that is for certain is that it requires a whole lot more to be an effective loose forward and it is clear Alberts does not have the abilities that the others have. Physicality isn't everything.

There is no doubt that Alberts is not better than Marcel Coetzee, Warren Whitely and Nizaam Carr. The others deserve the starting spot more. I've rightfully mentioned before Alberts is no player that should be part of the RWC15 setup or RC for that matter. Some need to wake up.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2014, 07:17
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18 Aug 2014, 07:17#15
 And some need to grow up sonny boy. Two Springbok coaches, HM and RWC winning Jake White have total faith in Alberts. But you, with your vast knowledge of rugby decide Alberts isn't as effective as players who haven't even played one test. Your problem unfortunately is stupidity....there is no cure.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 07:58
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18 Aug 2014, 07:58#16
Mozart 
I do notclaim to have the huge knowledge of rugby that you claim for yourself - however, I do ask a simple question - that bearing in mind the fact that as I understand it ball protection and recovery is an integral part of the activities of loosies - does Alberts in fact execute those functions and - if so - how efficient is he in respect of those functions.
Being also rather dubious about his defense and his ball carries I looked at his statistical record and that record is poor comparative to his reputation.    I have been saying that there are deficiencies in his game and that was supported by a recent newspaper report as well.  You trash that report, but give prominence to this one - but neverth eless there are people asking whether Alberts really deliver the goods he built his reputation around.    
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 07:58
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18 Aug 2014, 07:58#17
Mozart 
I do notclaim to have the huge knowledge of rugby that you claim for yourself - however, I do ask a simple question - that bearing in mind the fact that as I understand it ball protection and recovery is an integral part of the activities of loosies - does Alberts in fact execute those functions and - if so - how efficient is he in respect of those functions.
Being also rather dubious about his defense and his ball carries I looked at his statistical record and that record is poor comparative to his reputation.    I have been saying that there are deficiencies in his game and that was supported by a recent newspaper report as well.  You trash that report, but give prominence to this one - but neverth eless there are people asking whether Alberts really deliver the goods he built his reputation around.    
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
18 Aug 2014, 15:02
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18 Aug 2014, 15:02#18
 alberts is a very specific kind of player who has to be used in certain ways. he was nowhere in a lot of test over the last two years because of mobility problems (he is like an oil tanker doing a u-turn), but also in others he just doesnt show up at all! In tight conditions you need to play the ball amongst the inner channels and that means a guy like Alberts can really line you up and pressure you on the ground as well. but saying that i thought coetzee was really good on saturday, maybe not as powerful but one of the better forwards on the day. sadly botha was invisible and lood didnt have one of his better games, and the front row were battered badly. bismarck yet again disappearing in a test where the boks vneeded him to make a statement, so frikin ty[pical!
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