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Lukhanyo AM Responsible for Defensive Errors- Will GreenWood Sky Commentator

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
17 Jun 2018, 13:24
#1
17 Jun 2018, 13:24#1

It appears he is overshooting his line, and also running inwards with an overlap on the outside giving more space to the opposition. Greenwood gives one example in this came but also suggests it has been a recurring issue. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YneDzw3v2XM

The defensive issue is a team one, but AM may be the biggest culprit at this stage. They will need to work on this as stronger teams could have put the Boks away early on.

The defence was too easy to break- and for the first 20 minutes of the 1st test- I thought it was Alister Coetzee all over.




BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2018, 13:55
#2
17 Jun 2018, 13:55#2

Sharkbokkie i took plum to task for his deafening silence on Am whilst he attacks poor Allende who was i n the thick of things!!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jun 2018, 14:41
#3
17 Jun 2018, 14:41#3

I agree.

Am caused a fracture in the line. He needs to hang back and buy time.

At the very least he should force them wide.

Dyanti also missed his hit for one of the tries.

If they are still making these mistakes next year then I'll be harsh on them.

How harsh should I be in four years time?

See what I'm saying?



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jun 2018, 14:41
#4
17 Jun 2018, 14:41#4

I agree.

Am caused a fracture in the line. He needs to hang back and buy time.

At the very least he should force them wide.

Nkosi also missed his hit for one of the tries.

If they are still making these mistakes next year then I'll be harsh on them.

How harsh should I be in four years time?

See what I'm saying?



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2018, 15:04
#5
17 Jun 2018, 15:04#5

I am not surprised at all - I mentioned deficiencies of Am before the series.   He vanished from sight in Super Rugby against stronger teams and as good against weaker ones.   Should never ave been in the squad.     

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Jun 2018, 16:32
#6
17 Jun 2018, 16:32#6
I'm sorry, but mostvof these 'merrit' quotas are extremely poor defenders. The are great on attack and when they space, but take that away and then what do you have left. Aus, Arg and NZ is going to have a field day. There wingers are bigger and just as fast. I have to give Rassie credit in getting them to chase the kicks. That is one way of closing down space and putting pressure on the catchers. Here is my verdict on the 4 quotas is think are extremely poor. Kolisi - only dominates the tackle when shooting up in the line. Havr absolute no break down skills. Go missing when the big men start rumbling it up. Am - we have another engelbrecht on our hands. No peripheral vision to ensure his spacing. Very poor communicator and defensive organiser. Does that talk to his inside or outside backs. Dyanti - no clue What to do on defence. To busy ball watching. No idea of the touch line. Nkosi - keeps his channel, but extremely poor on the scramble defence. Struggles to turn when the ball is put behind him. Lacks pace.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 13:04
#7
18 Jun 2018, 13:04#7

That assessment is very generous: the thing is they cant attack, defend, pass the ball, they can not even run without tripping themselves.

Fact is that SA rugby have not trained one single non white player in 20 years.

It grows even worse when, after investigation, the taint called SA rugby, tap in the whole sub saharan part of the world, they bring players from Ghana, Zimbabwe, Congo etc

Despite millions of people, that fraud was unable to train one single half decent player and must rely on the comedy of so called quota policy.

SA rugby keep mocking the whole world, that empoverished part of the world should face facts, most wealth was exported, there is not enough to reform rugby, it means termination of rugby.


Instead, SA players get involved in racist abuses outside their country toward non white players trained in other countries. They cant even keep at home and feel obliged to export their poo.

SA rugby have no shame.

Terminate rugby in SA. Stop listening to the corrupt ANC that keep sustaining rugby in SA.

Do what must be done.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 13:26
#8
18 Jun 2018, 13:26#8

Ja tottie kop.

Is jy nogsteeds so bang vir wit mense?







CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2018, 13:53
#9
18 Jun 2018, 13:53#9

Plum

This is the guy who said that there was in the past 20 years not a single player of colour selected to play for the Springboks - all were quota picks.   I think he lies in cloud cuckoo land.

Sorry to say - but his contributions are not worth reading.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:06
#10
18 Jun 2018, 14:06#10

Nope. SA rugby can not keep on track and must digress to avoid facing facts.

SA rugby have not trained one single half decent non white player over the last 20 years.


The 2018 U20 WC was another exhibition of it. Nations like FR and EN no longer leave the room to see otherwise as they have provided non white players.

All SA non white players look pale in comparison. To speak afrikaaner, they are quota.

Or name one single half decent non white SA player who was trained over the last 20 years and who is something else.

SA rugby has no future.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:07
#11
18 Jun 2018, 14:07#11

That is SA rugby that is not worth maintaining. The unproficien ANC government keep pushing rugby up while the country goes down the spiral of empoverishment as everything is close to have been exported.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:07
#12
18 Jun 2018, 14:07#12
Are white people responsible for training black people? 
Where are all the rich black business leaders and politicians - when it comes to funding rugby training. They are not in the township but living a life of luxury - giving nothing back to the poor people in townships. 
Remember the freedom fighters during the Apartheid era? They are now the new oppressors-  Look no further than Zuma who sold out his values very quickly for a fast buck



TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:10
#13
18 Jun 2018, 14:10#13

Ja tottie kop.

Is jy nogsteeds so bang vir wit mense?


Would suit better if written in the most spoken language in SA. At least, it is spoken by more people.

Another SA who failed to speak the language of the majority.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:14
#14
18 Jun 2018, 14:14#14

Are white players responsible for training black people? 


Good piece of news, the division in SA rugby. Actually, there should be SA academies responsible for training SA players. By admission, it is not the case.
Another taint on rugby brought by SA rugby.

SA rugby is an industry of debt, it brings nothing of value to SA, a large piece of land near depletion of resources.
Those guys keep going into debt to support what they should terminate.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:18
#15
18 Jun 2018, 14:18#15
“Posted by: TheTraditionalist (1285 posts) Jun 18, 2018, 14:10 Ja tottie kop. Is jy nogsteeds so bang vir wit mense? Would suit better if written in the most spoken language in SA. At least, it is spoken by more people. Another SA who failed to speak the language of the majority.” Language in South Africa According to census data from 2011, Zulu is the most widely spoken language in the country with 11.6 million speakers. This is followed by Xhosa with 8.15 million speakers, and Afrikaans, with 6.85 million speakers. English is some distance away with 4.9 million speakers, close to Sepedi (4.6 million speakers) and Setswana (4.07 million speakers). The Western Cape is home to the most Afrikaans speakers (2.8 million) – while Joburg has the most English speakers (1.6 million).
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:19
#16
18 Jun 2018, 14:19#16

hahaha lekker fokken schoooooopit!

Yeah, we'd speak the language of the majority, if it mean something on the world stage.

Unfortunately, like all of African history, it's completely insignificant. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:19
#17
18 Jun 2018, 14:19#17

Where are all the rich black business leaders and politicians - when it comes to funding rugby training. They are not in the township but living a life of luxury - giving nothing back to the poor people in townships.

Certainly not where they should be: that is terminating SA rugby.

All these guys would be better off if there were no rugby in SA and if money had been spent on football as football is an industry with transfer fees and therefore a chance to recoup spendings (investments)

The post was bookmarked to be thrown in anytime rugby is pictured as a tradition in SA. By self admission, it is not.

Rugby should not have been introduced in SA. It was a costy mistake. It is a burden on that country.

It brings nothing valuable.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:25
#18
18 Jun 2018, 14:25#18

Language in South Africa

According to census data from 2011, Zulu is the most widely spoken language in the country with 11.6 million speakers.


And?

It is frightening but somehow it is understood that SA posters on this board think that the remark meant that English was the most spoken language in SA.

The state of SA is easy to comprehend.


By all means, the languages that SA people on this board are unable to speak are Zulu and Xhosa.

Just like most players in the SA team. Most SA players are unable to speak the most spoken language in their country.

Neither English nor Afrikaaner are the most spoken language in SA. They are not even african languages.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:26
#19
18 Jun 2018, 14:26#19

Whahahah because you knew the value of gold before we taught it to you!

Because you knew the slue of the wheel, before we taught it to you!

You know that right? 350 years ago we brought you that marvellous invention of the wheel.


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:27
#20
18 Jun 2018, 14:27#20

Yeah, we'd speak the language of the majority, if it mean something on the world stage.

Unfortunately, like all of African history, it's completely insignificant.

Again. And they suck at rugby which explains the inability of SA to train one single decent player out of them.

Afrikaaner is even more irrelevant by the way and associated with the apartheid. Better to have no history than bad history.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:35
#21
18 Jun 2018, 14:35#21

Yes, because they are meaningless languages devoid of the vast majority of terms required to operate in a modern world...hence they simply input english and afrikaans words for things that they don't have words for. 

All the th ings these people never knew about and didn't have words for. Whites taught them about those things and hence blacks adopted the white names for them.

EG Diamond becomes Idayimane

Whahaha what a bloody joke.

IE they re insignificant languages that have not kept up with the world.

Much like Africa. 


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:37
#22
18 Jun 2018, 14:37#22

So you admit you are irrelevant?


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:44
#23
18 Jun 2018, 14:44#23

Whahahah because you knew the value of gold before we taught it to you!

Because you knew the slue of the wheel, before we taught it to you!

You know that right? 350 years ago we brought you that marvellous invention of the wheel.


Again with that cope out.

That is baffling. White people are superiorly intelligent people. But, because of SA rugby dire situation, one white person must not be able to see what it is obvious: SA rugby have not been able to train one single decent rugby player out of their myriad of inferior people while other nations from much less managed.

A white person can not see that. You must be an inferior non white person to see it. Insulting consistency.

Like asking a white person not to be able to count up to seven, which is SA rugby demand.


Dunno know if they did not know or know the value of gold but one thing is sure, they had much more of it before the vast export of it for nothing in return.

Dunno either if that was a good idea to teach people who had no idea of the value of gold the value of it: SA exported it like crazy for an easy, no work life reserved to a minority. And now, they know what they have been stolen of.


One thing is sure though: SA rugby have not taught them how to play rugby. They might know the value of gold now, but they do not know how to play rugby. They got nothing.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 14:47
#24
18 Jun 2018, 14:47#24

So you admit you are irrelevant?

No. There is no reason of that by the very post that were made that depict african people as irrelevant, not the others.


SA rugby is the irrelevant thing. It must be terminated. It takes an african mind not to see that.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2018, 15:10
#25
18 Jun 2018, 15:10#25

There have been many quality players of color.

There are also many intelligent black people.

You just aren't one of them.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Jun 2018, 15:14
#26
18 Jun 2018, 15:14#26

You're playing chess with a pigeon now, Plum.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 18:55
#27
18 Jun 2018, 18:55#27

There have been many quality players of color.

There are also many intelligent black people.

You just aren't one of them.

That is right. At last something correct after many delusional point of views.

Many quality players of colour, but none from SA over the last 20 years.
To be an intelligent black person, one must be black.

Being able of counting up to seven is not a sign of intelligence.
Being able to see who is the u20 WC best player is not a sign of intelligence.


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 18:57
#28
18 Jun 2018, 18:57#28

You're playing chess with a pigeon now, Plum.


Birds are able to count. Even birds might see the socalled quota policy in SA. Their major trouble would be to distinguish between humans along their skin colour. Which they might do.

Which means that even birds see the socalled quota policy.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 19:00
#29
18 Jun 2018, 19:00#29

Are white people responsible for training black people? 


Here's an idea that would be highly helpful in SA: white comment on white players' performances and non white people comment on non white players' performances.

That would help diminishing the taint on rugby brought by SA rugby.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jun 2018, 19:09
#30
18 Jun 2018, 19:09#30

Whahahah because you knew the value of gold before we taught it to you!


After checking it, apparently, gold has a long history of being valuable for sub saharan people.

Now, did not check for SA people, they might differ as it seems you can grow rugby players from every place in subasahran africa except SA. So they must be somehow different.

One thing is sure though: they were quite unlikely to have digged 4km deep mines, must have been stuff like 10 m deep mines.

Maybe one day, they will learn the radius of the earth and finally figure out what it implies.

At that point, they will regret not having kept their 10m deep mines.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
18 Jun 2018, 19:24
#31
18 Jun 2018, 19:24#31
No one taught Bryan Habana or Bobby Skinstad how to be fast runners-, it is a natural inherent talent they have. 
If the effort was put into finding new players in schools or in the rural and poor township, perhaps another individual with this talent or better could be found.  Alas, it will be unsquandered talent that shall not be utilised.  
The richest individuals in South Africa are now Africans, so if anyone should be funding the player development- it should be these business leaders and the politicians. 
Why not ask your forgotten comrades for assistance? The former freedom "democratic" fighters, that now prefer a communi st style government that is corrupt with bribery to retain their power. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jun 2018, 23:47
#32
18 Jun 2018, 23:47#32
'You know that right? 350 years ago we brought you that marvellous invention of the wheel.' 'The Assyrians came down like wolf on the fold And their chariots were gleaming in silver and gold' Bit hard for you chaps to have invented the wheel when the Assyrians were in business by 1000 BC.
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
19 Jun 2018, 08:21
#33
19 Jun 2018, 08:21#33
How can one man type so much and say so little?
People, I am pretty convinced the Trad is in fact not coloured or black, and is in fact a white man taking the mickey out of everyone on this site. No person could seriously type what he types unless they were just taking the piss. He may be many things, but I am pretty sure he caught all of us, hook, line and sinker. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jun 2018, 08:48
#34
19 Jun 2018, 08:48#34

Blue, he's a white Commie Libtard , probably from NZ. He is not a Saffa.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Jun 2018, 13:08
#35
19 Jun 2018, 13:08#35

@ Moz 

I'm just taking part in some counter race baiting. Didn't say that whites invented the wheel. Just that we introduced it to the people we found in the cape. 

@ Draad

Trad is African. He's from Zimbabwe. 

He is way too much of a coward to tell us where he is from though. 

This is just such a gem...clearly someone who understands the world very well. Like nobody here ever says anything good about players of colour. Its the mentality of "unless you are for non-merit picks then you're a racist." 

"Here's an idea that would be highly helpful in SA: white comment on white players' performances and non white people comment on non white players' performances."

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
19 Jun 2018, 14:16
#36
19 Jun 2018, 14:16#36
The traditionalist is certainly African. I can recognise his style of writing and his anti-capitalist/ aka communist influence.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jun 2018, 15:47
#37
19 Jun 2018, 15:47#37

Plum, how do you know he's  from Zim? Grace Mugabe perhaps?


Shark, yes, a Commie for sure.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
19 Jun 2018, 19:42
#38
19 Jun 2018, 19:42#38

A commie speaking about misallocation of resources, investment and return on investment, profitability...

Commies have changed. After all, by this board's standards, white people are not supposed to be able to count up to seven.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
19 Jun 2018, 19:44
#39
19 Jun 2018, 19:44#39

No one taught Bryan Habana or Bobby Skinstad how to be fast runners-, it is a natural inherent talent they have.


Good. Rugby players do not need to be trained. Will be a relief on SA.

Looking at the WC 20 non white players trained in the NH, speed merchants are on the low side.

Must be another SA specificity.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
19 Jun 2018, 19:55
#40
19 Jun 2018, 19:55#40

The richest individuals in South Africa are now Africans, so if anyone should be funding the player development- it should be these business leaders and the politicians.


Supposedly, SA people are african so indeed. Now, if that means non white people, it might be the case, would not make any bet on it considering the level of disinformation and misinformation carried on this board.


Dunno if there are business people in SA. Doubtful or lacking any entrepreneurship.

It takes like business acumen to see that SA rugby is an industry of debt. It brings nothing but costs.

Business people would acknowledge the situation and work to terminate to turn toward profitable industry. In sports, that could mean football as the world market is huge (rugby world is tiny) and transfers command fees.

Business people would lobby for the termination of rugby in SA and the resources reallocated toward football which is a potential market to recoup spendings.

Build academies, connect with NH clubs and scouts, qualify to the WC and put players in the windowshop. That would be business.

On this board, people often bring up the presence of 300 SA rugby players outside SA.

If they were football players, all of them commanding a transfer fee, that could have meant a lot of money brought back to SA.

Instead, they are rugby players, which means only costs , spendings, squandering of resources.

No business people in SA or if there are, their main achievement is to characterize rugby as a sink, a way to lose money they do not have.

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